Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I am seeking clarification on the following; My understanding is that HEPA filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold spores are as small as 1 micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a HEPA filter actually help when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold in an environment? Does anyone really know the answer to this? Are HEPA products really superior to the air purifiers that use ionization? When using a product such as by Eco quest which uses ionization and ozone, some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby you are able to turn off the ozone and can adjust it. Also, another question that has been asked on this site without any real response was; which is a good air purifier on the market? This would include decreased noise level. I have had various types and would not be so quick to recommend any that I have experienced due to various problems with them. I do believe that air purifiers can help, use them myself and recommend that others use them as well. However, to what degree they help, is the question. Research put out by the individual companies to promote their products are biased and unreliable. In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central Standard Time, erikmoldwarrior@... writes: I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for someone moving into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with the proceeds of his very lucrative means of self employment. His " work from home " job earned him in excess of $85,000.00 last year, and it looks like another good and highly profitable year. So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an employee. He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - Eco quest " air purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away) I asked him about the class action suit alleging harmful effects of ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out because there were no standards by which harmful effects could be claimed, proved, or litigated. He did, however, admit that he advises usage with greatest safety would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is around - and keep it off when the space is inhabited. When I pointed out that this machine would do nothing to resolve a building that had already been mold contaminated, which is what most people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the toxins are still toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he proposed that the machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to keep mold from growing new colonies and producing what he called " micro-toxins " g He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the product, and has himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a valuable service for his customers - even though it is not a perfect solution - at least it might help, and people need all the help they can get. I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded deceit. And he is making a ton of money. Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him? I gave it serious consideration, and tried practicing some salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, choke, sputter... " Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 any ozone such as what comes from an ionizer is harmfull to your health. Ive tried them. I use hepa filters in my condos and it seems to work pretty good. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I don't know the answer for sure but I think my allermed, aller-ex and another filter address these issues. bobbinsbiomed@... wrote: I am seeking clarification on the following; My understanding is that HEPA filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold spores are as small as 1 micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a HEPA filter actually help when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold in an environment? Does anyone really know the answer to this? Are HEPA products really superior to the air purifiers that use ionization? When using a product such as by Eco quest which uses ionization and ozone, some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby you are able to turn off the ozone and can adjust it. Also, another question that has been asked on this site without any real response was; which is a good air purifier on the market? This would include decreased noise level. I have had various types and would not be so quick to recommend any that I have experienced due to various problems with them. I do believe that air purifiers can help, use them myself and recommend that others use them as well. However, to what degree they help, is the question. Research put out by the individual companies to promote their products are biased and unreliable. In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central Standard Time, erikmoldwarrior@... writes: I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for someone moving into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with the proceeds of his very lucrative means of self employment. His " work from home " job earned him in excess of $85,000.00 last year, and it looks like another good and highly profitable year. So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an employee. He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - Eco quest " air purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away) I asked him about the class action suit alleging harmful effects of ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out because there were no standards by which harmful effects could be claimed, proved, or litigated. He did, however, admit that he advises usage with greatest safety would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is around - and keep it off when the space is inhabited. When I pointed out that this machine would do nothing to resolve a building that had already been mold contaminated, which is what most people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the toxins are still toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he proposed that the machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to keep mold from growing new colonies and producing what he called " micro-toxins " g He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the product, and has himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a valuable service for his customers - even though it is not a perfect solution - at least it might help, and people need all the help they can get. I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded deceit. And he is making a ton of money. Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him? I gave it serious consideration, and tried practicing some salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, choke, sputter... " Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Ah geezzzzzzzzz, This is NOT directed at you Ginger..... How many more times do we have to relive this ozone safety diatribe? IT IS NOT SAFE AT THE LEVELS THAT IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE EFFECTIVE AT!!!!!!!!!!! Argggggggggg Angel On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 Gingersnap1964@... wrote: > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:25:25 EDT > From: Gingersnap1964@... > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] Air filters etc. > > any ozone such as what comes from an ionizer is harmfull to your health. Ive > tried them. I use hepa filters in my condos and it seems to work pretty good. > Janet > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Check out www.allergybuyersclub.com under air cleaners and you can get some info on air purifiers comparison. I have an Allerair which sold me b/c the Hepa last 5 years and carbon 2-3yrs and a prefilter 2-3 months. No monitor and LOUD on 2-3 so I keep on 1. So that one has some pros and cons and I would have not puchased this one if I'd known loud on 2. Like a wind storm. I will be changing prefilter soon to see if easy or not. I have two Hunter's air purifiers from Lowes. I run these on 2 which is OK. 3 gets louder but steady and not like a wind storm. I have changed the charcoal pre-filter on the Hunters twice and it's covered and white so I know it's filtering and see stuff on the hepa filters. The Hunter's has monitors for pre-filter and hepa which I like. I get the universal carbon pre-filters at Lowes which is the same thing as the Hunter's carbon filter just cheaper. The Allerair has casters and is round, metal so no VOC's. Info on this one sounds good. It's just louder. Mine is on carpet. Haven't tried on lino/hard floor to see if it sounds different. IQair Healthpro is best rated on allergybuyersclub but more expensive. Do look at how many filters ETC. you will have to buy to keep up the air purifier. There was another one that sounded really good but more expensive I can't remember the name right now. Think it had 6 stages and I didn't get that one b/c more expensive to keep up. Also, wanted multiple air purifiers for different rooms since one can't go thru walls. I also have a hepa filter that is hooked up to the air handler somewhere. Has a monitor inside that suppose to let me know when it needs changing. I will have to have the hvac guy show me where this is b/c not sure and I don't think I can change myself but will find out. I realy don't want anyone under my expensive makeover crawlspace! Save me a service call too! Maybe Carl will post more info on these hepa filters b/c I remember him saying they don't filter all the air coming in. That was the hepa hooked up to air system.. Rhonda > I am seeking clarification on the following; My understanding is that HEPA > filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold spores are as small as 1 > micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a HEPA filter actually help > when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold in an environment? Does > anyone really know the answer to this? > > Are HEPA products really superior to the air purifiers that use ionization? > When using a product such as by Eco quest which uses ionization and ozone, > some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby you are able to turn off the > ozone and can adjust it. > > Also, another question that has been asked on this site without any real > response was; which is a good air purifier on the market? This would include > decreased noise level. I have had various types and would not be so quick to > recommend any that I have experienced due to various problems with them. I > do believe that air purifiers can help, use them myself and recommend that > others use them as well. However, to what degree they help, is the question. > Research put out by the individual companies to promote their products are > biased and unreliable. > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central Standard Time, > erikmoldwarrior@... writes: > > I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for someone moving > into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with the proceeds of > his very lucrative means of self employment. > His " work from home " job earned him in excess of $85,000.00 last > year, and it looks like another good and highly profitable year. > So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an employee. > > He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - Eco quest " air > purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away) > I asked him about the class action suit alleging harmful effects of > ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out because there were > no standards by which harmful effects could be claimed, proved, or > litigated. > He did, however, admit that he advises usage with greatest safety > would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is around - and > keep it off when the space is inhabited. > When I pointed out that this machine would do nothing to resolve a > building that had already been mold contaminated, which is what most > people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the toxins are still > toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he proposed that the > machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to keep mold from > growing new colonies and producing what he called " micro-toxins " g > He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the product, and has > himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a valuable service > for his customers - even though it is not a perfect solution - at > least it might help, and people need all the help they can get. > I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded deceit. > And he is making a ton of money. > > Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him? > I gave it serious consideration, and tried practicing some > salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, choke, sputter... " > Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words! > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Just a thought. It might be helpful to check out Carl's post from 2/7/06. #34631 and #34632. Barb --- austingirl5262 <austingirl5262@...> wrote: > > > Check out www.allergybuyersclub.com under air > cleaners and you can > get some info on air purifiers comparison. > > I have an Allerair which sold me b/c the Hepa last 5 > years and carbon > 2-3yrs and a prefilter 2-3 months. No monitor and > LOUD on 2-3 so I > keep on 1. So that one has some pros and cons and I > would have not > puchased this one if I'd known loud on 2. Like a > wind storm. I will > be changing prefilter soon to see if easy or not. > I have two Hunter's air purifiers from Lowes. I run > these on 2 which > is OK. 3 gets louder but steady and not like a wind > storm. I have > changed the charcoal pre-filter on the Hunters twice > and it's covered > and white so I know it's filtering and see stuff on > the hepa > filters. The Hunter's has monitors for pre-filter > and hepa which I > like. I get the universal carbon pre-filters at > Lowes which is the > same thing as the Hunter's carbon filter just > cheaper. > The Allerair has casters and is round, metal so no > VOC's. Info on > this one sounds good. It's just louder. Mine is on > carpet. Haven't > tried on lino/hard floor to see if it sounds > different. > > IQair Healthpro is best rated on allergybuyersclub > but more > expensive. > > Do look at how many filters ETC. you will have to > buy to keep up the > air purifier. There was another one that sounded > really good but > more expensive I can't remember the name right now. > Think it had 6 > stages and I didn't get that one b/c more expensive > to keep up. > Also, wanted multiple air purifiers for different > rooms since one > can't go thru walls. > > I also have a hepa filter that is hooked up to the > air handler > somewhere. Has a monitor inside that suppose to let > me know when it > needs changing. I will have to have the hvac guy > show me where this > is b/c not sure and I don't think I can change > myself but will find > out. I realy don't want anyone under my expensive > makeover > crawlspace! Save me a service call too! Maybe Carl > will post more > info on these hepa filters b/c I remember him saying > they don't > filter all the air coming in. That was the hepa > hooked up to air > system.. > > Rhonda > > > > > I am seeking clarification on the following; My > understanding is > that HEPA > > filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold > spores are as > small as 1 > > micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a > HEPA filter > actually help > > when there is a problem with elevated levels of > mold in an > environment? Does > > anyone really know the answer to this? > > > > Are HEPA products really superior to the air > purifiers that use > ionization? > > When using a product such as by Eco quest which > uses ionization and > ozone, > > some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby > you are able to > turn off the > > ozone and can adjust it. > > > > Also, another question that has been asked on this > site without any > real > > response was; which is a good air purifier on the > market? This > would include > > decreased noise level. I have had various types > and would not be so > quick to > > recommend any that I have experienced due to > various problems with > them. I > > do believe that air purifiers can help, use them > myself and > recommend that > > others use them as well. However, to what degree > they help, is the > question. > > Research put out by the individual companies to > promote their > products are > > biased and unreliable. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central > Standard Time, > > erikmoldwarrior@... writes: > > > > I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " > for someone moving > > into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for > with the proceeds > of > > his very lucrative means of self employment. > > His " work from home " job earned him in excess of > $85,000.00 last > > year, and it looks like another good and highly > profitable year. > > So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an > employee. > > > > He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - > Eco quest " air > > purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away) > > I asked him about the class action suit alleging > harmful effects of > > ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out > because there > were > > no standards by which harmful effects could be > claimed, proved, or > > litigated. > > He did, however, admit that he advises usage with > greatest safety > > would be to only turn on the machine when no-one > is around - and > > keep it off when the space is inhabited. > > When I pointed out that this machine would do > nothing to resolve a > > building that had already been mold contaminated, > which is what > most > > people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the > toxins are still > > toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he > proposed that the > > machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure > to keep mold from > > growing new colonies and producing what he called > " micro-toxins " g > > He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the > product, and has > > himself conpletely convinced that he is providing > a valuable > service > > for his customers - even though it is not a > perfect solution - at > > least it might help, and people need all the help > they can get. > > I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded > deceit. > > And he is making a ton of money. > > > > Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him? > > I gave it serious consideration, and tried > practicing some > > salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, > choke, sputter... " > > Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words! > > - > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 For person who asked about ozone, there is information in the Files area of this group. I believe it is Files. It may be good to go there since it has been discussed so much here already. > > Ah geezzzzzzzzz, This is NOT directed at you Ginger..... > > How many more times do we have to relive this ozone safety diatribe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 FYI I t5try to Froogle filters after I do my research. austingirl5262 <austingirl5262@...> wrote: Check out www.allergybuyersclub.com under air cleaners and you can get some info on air purifiers comparison. I have an Allerair which sold me b/c the Hepa last 5 years and carbon 2-3yrs and a prefilter 2-3 months. No monitor and LOUD on 2-3 so I keep on 1. So that one has some pros and cons and I would have not puchased this one if I'd known loud on 2. Like a wind storm. I will be changing prefilter soon to see if easy or not. I have two Hunter's air purifiers from Lowes. I run these on 2 which is OK. 3 gets louder but steady and not like a wind storm. I have changed the charcoal pre-filter on the Hunters twice and it's covered and white so I know it's filtering and see stuff on the hepa filters. The Hunter's has monitors for pre-filter and hepa which I like. I get the universal carbon pre-filters at Lowes which is the same thing as the Hunter's carbon filter just cheaper. The Allerair has casters and is round, metal so no VOC's. Info on this one sounds good. It's just louder. Mine is on carpet. Haven't tried on lino/hard floor to see if it sounds different. IQair Healthpro is best rated on allergybuyersclub but more expensive. Do look at how many filters ETC. you will have to buy to keep up the air purifier. There was another one that sounded really good but more expensive I can't remember the name right now. Think it had 6 stages and I didn't get that one b/c more expensive to keep up. Also, wanted multiple air purifiers for different rooms since one can't go thru walls. I also have a hepa filter that is hooked up to the air handler somewhere. Has a monitor inside that suppose to let me know when it needs changing. I will have to have the hvac guy show me where this is b/c not sure and I don't think I can change myself but will find out. I realy don't want anyone under my expensive makeover crawlspace! Save me a service call too! Maybe Carl will post more info on these hepa filters b/c I remember him saying they don't filter all the air coming in. That was the hepa hooked up to air system.. Rhonda > I am seeking clarification on the following; My understanding is that HEPA > filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold spores are as small as 1 > micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a HEPA filter actually help > when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold in an environment? Does > anyone really know the answer to this? > > Are HEPA products really superior to the air purifiers that use ionization? > When using a product such as by Eco quest which uses ionization and ozone, > some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby you are able to turn off the > ozone and can adjust it. > > Also, another question that has been asked on this site without any real > response was; which is a good air purifier on the market? This would include > decreased noise level. I have had various types and would not be so quick to > recommend any that I have experienced due to various problems with them. I > do believe that air purifiers can help, use them myself and recommend that > others use them as well. However, to what degree they help, is the question. > Research put out by the individual companies to promote their products are > biased and unreliable. > > > > > In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central Standard Time, > erikmoldwarrior@... writes: > > I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for someone moving > into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with the proceeds of > his very lucrative means of self employment. > His " work from home " job earned him in excess of $85,000.00 last > year, and it looks like another good and highly profitable year. > So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an employee. > > He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - Eco quest " air > purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away) > I asked him about the class action suit alleging harmful effects of > ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out because there were > no standards by which harmful effects could be claimed, proved, or > litigated. > He did, however, admit that he advises usage with greatest safety > would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is around - and > keep it off when the space is inhabited. > When I pointed out that this machine would do nothing to resolve a > building that had already been mold contaminated, which is what most > people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the toxins are still > toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he proposed that the > machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to keep mold from > growing new colonies and producing what he called " micro-toxins " g > He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the product, and has > himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a valuable service > for his customers - even though it is not a perfect solution - at > least it might help, and people need all the help they can get. > I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded deceit. > And he is making a ton of money. > > Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him? > I gave it serious consideration, and tried practicing some > salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, choke, sputter... " > Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words! > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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