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I am seeking clarification on the following; My understanding is that HEPA

filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold spores are as small as 1

micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a HEPA filter actually help

when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold in an environment? Does

anyone really know the answer to this?

Are HEPA products really superior to the air purifiers that use ionization?

When using a product such as by Eco quest which uses ionization and ozone,

some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby you are able to turn off the

ozone and can adjust it.

Also, another question that has been asked on this site without any real

response was; which is a good air purifier on the market? This would include

decreased noise level. I have had various types and would not be so quick to

recommend any that I have experienced due to various problems with them. I

do believe that air purifiers can help, use them myself and recommend that

others use them as well. However, to what degree they help, is the question.

Research put out by the individual companies to promote their products are

biased and unreliable.

In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central Standard Time,

erikmoldwarrior@... writes:

I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for someone moving

into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with the proceeds of

his very lucrative means of self employment.

His " work from home " job earned him in excess of $85,000.00 last

year, and it looks like another good and highly profitable year.

So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an employee.

He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - Eco quest " air

purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away)

I asked him about the class action suit alleging harmful effects of

ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out because there were

no standards by which harmful effects could be claimed, proved, or

litigated.

He did, however, admit that he advises usage with greatest safety

would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is around - and

keep it off when the space is inhabited.

When I pointed out that this machine would do nothing to resolve a

building that had already been mold contaminated, which is what most

people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the toxins are still

toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he proposed that the

machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to keep mold from

growing new colonies and producing what he called " micro-toxins " g

He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the product, and has

himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a valuable service

for his customers - even though it is not a perfect solution - at

least it might help, and people need all the help they can get.

I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded deceit.

And he is making a ton of money.

Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him?

I gave it serious consideration, and tried practicing some

salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, choke, sputter... "

Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words!

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any ozone such as what comes from an ionizer is harmfull to your health. Ive

tried them. I use hepa filters in my condos and it seems to work pretty good.

Janet

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I don't know the answer for sure but I think my allermed, aller-ex and another

filter address these issues.

bobbinsbiomed@... wrote:

I am seeking clarification on the following; My understanding is that HEPA

filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold spores are as small as 1

micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a HEPA filter actually help

when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold in an environment? Does

anyone really know the answer to this?

Are HEPA products really superior to the air purifiers that use ionization?

When using a product such as by Eco quest which uses ionization and ozone,

some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby you are able to turn off the

ozone and can adjust it.

Also, another question that has been asked on this site without any real

response was; which is a good air purifier on the market? This would include

decreased noise level. I have had various types and would not be so quick to

recommend any that I have experienced due to various problems with them. I

do believe that air purifiers can help, use them myself and recommend that

others use them as well. However, to what degree they help, is the question.

Research put out by the individual companies to promote their products are

biased and unreliable.

In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central Standard Time,

erikmoldwarrior@... writes:

I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for someone moving

into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with the proceeds of

his very lucrative means of self employment.

His " work from home " job earned him in excess of $85,000.00 last

year, and it looks like another good and highly profitable year.

So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an employee.

He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - Eco quest " air

purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away)

I asked him about the class action suit alleging harmful effects of

ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out because there were

no standards by which harmful effects could be claimed, proved, or

litigated.

He did, however, admit that he advises usage with greatest safety

would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is around - and

keep it off when the space is inhabited.

When I pointed out that this machine would do nothing to resolve a

building that had already been mold contaminated, which is what most

people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the toxins are still

toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he proposed that the

machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to keep mold from

growing new colonies and producing what he called " micro-toxins " g

He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the product, and has

himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a valuable service

for his customers - even though it is not a perfect solution - at

least it might help, and people need all the help they can get.

I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded deceit.

And he is making a ton of money.

Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him?

I gave it serious consideration, and tried practicing some

salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, choke, sputter... "

Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words!

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Ah geezzzzzzzzz, This is NOT directed at you Ginger.....

How many more times do we have to relive this ozone safety diatribe?

IT IS NOT SAFE AT THE LEVELS THAT IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE EFFECTIVE

AT!!!!!!!!!!!

Argggggggggg

Angel

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 Gingersnap1964@... wrote:

> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:25:25 EDT

> From: Gingersnap1964@...

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Air filters etc.

>

> any ozone such as what comes from an ionizer is harmfull to your health. Ive

> tried them. I use hepa filters in my condos and it seems to work pretty good.

> Janet

>

>

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Check out www.allergybuyersclub.com under air cleaners and you can

get some info on air purifiers comparison.

I have an Allerair which sold me b/c the Hepa last 5 years and carbon

2-3yrs and a prefilter 2-3 months. No monitor and LOUD on 2-3 so I

keep on 1. So that one has some pros and cons and I would have not

puchased this one if I'd known loud on 2. Like a wind storm. I will

be changing prefilter soon to see if easy or not.

I have two Hunter's air purifiers from Lowes. I run these on 2 which

is OK. 3 gets louder but steady and not like a wind storm. I have

changed the charcoal pre-filter on the Hunters twice and it's covered

and white so I know it's filtering and see stuff on the hepa

filters. The Hunter's has monitors for pre-filter and hepa which I

like. I get the universal carbon pre-filters at Lowes which is the

same thing as the Hunter's carbon filter just cheaper.

The Allerair has casters and is round, metal so no VOC's. Info on

this one sounds good. It's just louder. Mine is on carpet. Haven't

tried on lino/hard floor to see if it sounds different.

IQair Healthpro is best rated on allergybuyersclub but more

expensive.

Do look at how many filters ETC. you will have to buy to keep up the

air purifier. There was another one that sounded really good but

more expensive I can't remember the name right now. Think it had 6

stages and I didn't get that one b/c more expensive to keep up.

Also, wanted multiple air purifiers for different rooms since one

can't go thru walls.

I also have a hepa filter that is hooked up to the air handler

somewhere. Has a monitor inside that suppose to let me know when it

needs changing. I will have to have the hvac guy show me where this

is b/c not sure and I don't think I can change myself but will find

out. I realy don't want anyone under my expensive makeover

crawlspace! Save me a service call too! Maybe Carl will post more

info on these hepa filters b/c I remember him saying they don't

filter all the air coming in. That was the hepa hooked up to air

system..

Rhonda

> I am seeking clarification on the following; My understanding is

that HEPA

> filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold spores are as

small as 1

> micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a HEPA filter

actually help

> when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold in an

environment? Does

> anyone really know the answer to this?

>

> Are HEPA products really superior to the air purifiers that use

ionization?

> When using a product such as by Eco quest which uses ionization and

ozone,

> some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby you are able to

turn off the

> ozone and can adjust it.

>

> Also, another question that has been asked on this site without any

real

> response was; which is a good air purifier on the market? This

would include

> decreased noise level. I have had various types and would not be so

quick to

> recommend any that I have experienced due to various problems with

them. I

> do believe that air purifiers can help, use them myself and

recommend that

> others use them as well. However, to what degree they help, is the

question.

> Research put out by the individual companies to promote their

products are

> biased and unreliable.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central Standard Time,

> erikmoldwarrior@... writes:

>

> I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for someone moving

> into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with the proceeds

of

> his very lucrative means of self employment.

> His " work from home " job earned him in excess of $85,000.00 last

> year, and it looks like another good and highly profitable year.

> So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an employee.

>

> He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - Eco quest " air

> purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away)

> I asked him about the class action suit alleging harmful effects of

> ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out because there

were

> no standards by which harmful effects could be claimed, proved, or

> litigated.

> He did, however, admit that he advises usage with greatest safety

> would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is around - and

> keep it off when the space is inhabited.

> When I pointed out that this machine would do nothing to resolve a

> building that had already been mold contaminated, which is what

most

> people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the toxins are still

> toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he proposed that the

> machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to keep mold from

> growing new colonies and producing what he called " micro-toxins " g

> He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the product, and has

> himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a valuable

service

> for his customers - even though it is not a perfect solution - at

> least it might help, and people need all the help they can get.

> I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded deceit.

> And he is making a ton of money.

>

> Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him?

> I gave it serious consideration, and tried practicing some

> salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, choke, sputter... "

> Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words!

> -

>

>

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Just a thought. It might be helpful to check out

Carl's post from 2/7/06. #34631 and #34632.

Barb

--- austingirl5262 <austingirl5262@...> wrote:

>

>

> Check out www.allergybuyersclub.com under air

> cleaners and you can

> get some info on air purifiers comparison.

>

> I have an Allerair which sold me b/c the Hepa last 5

> years and carbon

> 2-3yrs and a prefilter 2-3 months. No monitor and

> LOUD on 2-3 so I

> keep on 1. So that one has some pros and cons and I

> would have not

> puchased this one if I'd known loud on 2. Like a

> wind storm. I will

> be changing prefilter soon to see if easy or not.

> I have two Hunter's air purifiers from Lowes. I run

> these on 2 which

> is OK. 3 gets louder but steady and not like a wind

> storm. I have

> changed the charcoal pre-filter on the Hunters twice

> and it's covered

> and white so I know it's filtering and see stuff on

> the hepa

> filters. The Hunter's has monitors for pre-filter

> and hepa which I

> like. I get the universal carbon pre-filters at

> Lowes which is the

> same thing as the Hunter's carbon filter just

> cheaper.

> The Allerair has casters and is round, metal so no

> VOC's. Info on

> this one sounds good. It's just louder. Mine is on

> carpet. Haven't

> tried on lino/hard floor to see if it sounds

> different.

>

> IQair Healthpro is best rated on allergybuyersclub

> but more

> expensive.

>

> Do look at how many filters ETC. you will have to

> buy to keep up the

> air purifier. There was another one that sounded

> really good but

> more expensive I can't remember the name right now.

> Think it had 6

> stages and I didn't get that one b/c more expensive

> to keep up.

> Also, wanted multiple air purifiers for different

> rooms since one

> can't go thru walls.

>

> I also have a hepa filter that is hooked up to the

> air handler

> somewhere. Has a monitor inside that suppose to let

> me know when it

> needs changing. I will have to have the hvac guy

> show me where this

> is b/c not sure and I don't think I can change

> myself but will find

> out. I realy don't want anyone under my expensive

> makeover

> crawlspace! Save me a service call too! Maybe Carl

> will post more

> info on these hepa filters b/c I remember him saying

> they don't

> filter all the air coming in. That was the hepa

> hooked up to air

> system..

>

> Rhonda

>

>

>

> > I am seeking clarification on the following; My

> understanding is

> that HEPA

> > filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold

> spores are as

> small as 1

> > micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a

> HEPA filter

> actually help

> > when there is a problem with elevated levels of

> mold in an

> environment? Does

> > anyone really know the answer to this?

> >

> > Are HEPA products really superior to the air

> purifiers that use

> ionization?

> > When using a product such as by Eco quest which

> uses ionization and

> ozone,

> > some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby

> you are able to

> turn off the

> > ozone and can adjust it.

> >

> > Also, another question that has been asked on this

> site without any

> real

> > response was; which is a good air purifier on the

> market? This

> would include

> > decreased noise level. I have had various types

> and would not be so

> quick to

> > recommend any that I have experienced due to

> various problems with

> them. I

> > do believe that air purifiers can help, use them

> myself and

> recommend that

> > others use them as well. However, to what degree

> they help, is the

> question.

> > Research put out by the individual companies to

> promote their

> products are

> > biased and unreliable.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> > erikmoldwarrior@... writes:

> >

> > I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming "

> for someone moving

> > into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for

> with the proceeds

> of

> > his very lucrative means of self employment.

> > His " work from home " job earned him in excess of

> $85,000.00 last

> > year, and it looks like another good and highly

> profitable year.

> > So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an

> employee.

> >

> > He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air -

> Eco quest " air

> > purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away)

> > I asked him about the class action suit alleging

> harmful effects of

> > ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out

> because there

> were

> > no standards by which harmful effects could be

> claimed, proved, or

> > litigated.

> > He did, however, admit that he advises usage with

> greatest safety

> > would be to only turn on the machine when no-one

> is around - and

> > keep it off when the space is inhabited.

> > When I pointed out that this machine would do

> nothing to resolve a

> > building that had already been mold contaminated,

> which is what

> most

> > people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the

> toxins are still

> > toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he

> proposed that the

> > machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure

> to keep mold from

> > growing new colonies and producing what he called

> " micro-toxins " g

> > He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the

> product, and has

> > himself conpletely convinced that he is providing

> a valuable

> service

> > for his customers - even though it is not a

> perfect solution - at

> > least it might help, and people need all the help

> they can get.

> > I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded

> deceit.

> > And he is making a ton of money.

> >

> > Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him?

> > I gave it serious consideration, and tried

> practicing some

> > salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag,

> choke, sputter... "

> > Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words!

> > -

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

=== message truncated ===

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For person who asked about ozone, there is information in the Files

area of this group. I believe it is Files. It may be good to go

there since it has been discussed so much here already.

>

> Ah geezzzzzzzzz, This is NOT directed at you Ginger.....

>

> How many more times do we have to relive this ozone safety diatribe?

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FYI I t5try to Froogle filters after I do my research.

austingirl5262 <austingirl5262@...> wrote:

Check out www.allergybuyersclub.com under air cleaners and you can

get some info on air purifiers comparison.

I have an Allerair which sold me b/c the Hepa last 5 years and carbon

2-3yrs and a prefilter 2-3 months. No monitor and LOUD on 2-3 so I

keep on 1. So that one has some pros and cons and I would have not

puchased this one if I'd known loud on 2. Like a wind storm. I will

be changing prefilter soon to see if easy or not.

I have two Hunter's air purifiers from Lowes. I run these on 2 which

is OK. 3 gets louder but steady and not like a wind storm. I have

changed the charcoal pre-filter on the Hunters twice and it's covered

and white so I know it's filtering and see stuff on the hepa

filters. The Hunter's has monitors for pre-filter and hepa which I

like. I get the universal carbon pre-filters at Lowes which is the

same thing as the Hunter's carbon filter just cheaper.

The Allerair has casters and is round, metal so no VOC's. Info on

this one sounds good. It's just louder. Mine is on carpet. Haven't

tried on lino/hard floor to see if it sounds different.

IQair Healthpro is best rated on allergybuyersclub but more

expensive.

Do look at how many filters ETC. you will have to buy to keep up the

air purifier. There was another one that sounded really good but

more expensive I can't remember the name right now. Think it had 6

stages and I didn't get that one b/c more expensive to keep up.

Also, wanted multiple air purifiers for different rooms since one

can't go thru walls.

I also have a hepa filter that is hooked up to the air handler

somewhere. Has a monitor inside that suppose to let me know when it

needs changing. I will have to have the hvac guy show me where this

is b/c not sure and I don't think I can change myself but will find

out. I realy don't want anyone under my expensive makeover

crawlspace! Save me a service call too! Maybe Carl will post more

info on these hepa filters b/c I remember him saying they don't

filter all the air coming in. That was the hepa hooked up to air

system..

Rhonda

> I am seeking clarification on the following; My understanding is

that HEPA

> filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold spores are as

small as 1

> micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a HEPA filter

actually help

> when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold in an

environment? Does

> anyone really know the answer to this?

>

> Are HEPA products really superior to the air purifiers that use

ionization?

> When using a product such as by Eco quest which uses ionization and

ozone,

> some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby you are able to

turn off the

> ozone and can adjust it.

>

> Also, another question that has been asked on this site without any

real

> response was; which is a good air purifier on the market? This

would include

> decreased noise level. I have had various types and would not be so

quick to

> recommend any that I have experienced due to various problems with

them. I

> do believe that air purifiers can help, use them myself and

recommend that

> others use them as well. However, to what degree they help, is the

question.

> Research put out by the individual companies to promote their

products are

> biased and unreliable.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central Standard Time,

> erikmoldwarrior@... writes:

>

> I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for someone moving

> into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with the proceeds

of

> his very lucrative means of self employment.

> His " work from home " job earned him in excess of $85,000.00 last

> year, and it looks like another good and highly profitable year.

> So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an employee.

>

> He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air - Eco quest " air

> purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away)

> I asked him about the class action suit alleging harmful effects of

> ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out because there

were

> no standards by which harmful effects could be claimed, proved, or

> litigated.

> He did, however, admit that he advises usage with greatest safety

> would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is around - and

> keep it off when the space is inhabited.

> When I pointed out that this machine would do nothing to resolve a

> building that had already been mold contaminated, which is what

most

> people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the toxins are still

> toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he proposed that the

> machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to keep mold from

> growing new colonies and producing what he called " micro-toxins " g

> He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the product, and has

> himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a valuable

service

> for his customers - even though it is not a perfect solution - at

> least it might help, and people need all the help they can get.

> I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded deceit.

> And he is making a ton of money.

>

> Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him?

> I gave it serious consideration, and tried practicing some

> salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag, choke, sputter... "

> Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words!

> -

>

>

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