Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 At 12:47 PM 12/9/2006, you wrote: >Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between floral wax and >concrete? >I am considering getting some of the delicious floral waxes offered by >and Marcia, but want to know if they can be put into good use >for perfume as opposed to soap and candles), as most of my perfumes >are alcohol based. >Would you recommend using them in solid perfumes? >And how concentrated are they? Hi Ayala -- again We're both online on this early Saturday afternoon, me avoiding chores, just fiddling around ;-) A concrete is created during the first step of scent extraction, with a solvent being used. Most concretes are waxy, thick, sticky, tacky, to use some descriptive terms. Then the absolute is extracted from the concrete with alcohol. If you search the archives, or maybe I put it in the Files section, Butch gives a good breakdown of the processes. Floral wax is what's left after the absolute extraction process. The floral waxes still have a lot of scent in them, and yes, they can be used for solid perfumes. I wouldn't smush and tincture them for extraction for an alcohol perfume, I'd use the concretes that way, but yes, I have used them in solid perfumes. Wonderful stuff. Chris and Marcia source great floral waxes, and I'd highly recommend them. Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 posted this on Oct. 20th, discussing floral waxes for use in soaps, and I'm reposting it here for the soapers who recently joined, and to answer a lot of questions that have come up about the waxes in general: > Hi Hi Holly, > I have never used (or even seen!) floral waxes so am > completley uninformed about their appearance, texture > & consistency and useage. I have a feeling you're not the only person here who has had either little or no experience with the floral waxes and has questions about them. That is why I asked & received your permission to answer this e-mail on list ... > I would be interested in trying some, especially > of the rose, if it would work well for scenting my > M & P soaps. I'm glad to hear that. I think you'll enjoy using them. I find they open an artist up to being able to add otherwise cost prohibitive precious natural aromatics to their soaps, candles, etc ... They will work in scenting soaps, but in general, I would recommend not necessarily using them as the sole scenting material, but rather using them as a part of a scent blend. > Some of the other scents, I don't know what they > are either. Could you give me some idea of what these scents are > like? Oh gosh, I hope someone who can describe scents better than I do will jump in here to describe those scents (not necessarily them in the form of the wax that I have, but just those smells in general! Well, here goes .. I will sniff wax and type .. Cassie : - Acacia - related to Mimosa - its warm and kind of sweet, but not cloying like some florals. It also has a bit of an earthy and spicy element .. almost a bit like some resins I use for making incense, but more subtle. I'd even describe it as a bit green and woody ... it would definitely bring out the sweetness in a blend but at the same time give it some tenacity! Frangipani: - fresh & floral (once again, not cloying), green and a tiny bit spicy - an almost curry like hint ... Actually, it also has a very slight fruity note that reminds me of a doll I had back in the early 80's with fruit scented hair *lol* Tuberose: - fruity, sweet, floral, warm, honeysuckle like. Not just a fleeting top note, has some tenacity to it. I have found that tuberose can be nice or, well, not so nice, and this one is very pleasant to my nose Related to Narcissus. > Violet Leaf - Violet leaf doesn't sound like it would smell like > violet flowers, but if it does I'd likely be interested in trying it. You are correct .. Violet Leaf does not smell like violet flowers. It has a nice green, fresh, cucumber like scent. Though, I have seen in the archives of this Natural Perfumery Group a recipe from perfumer Terry Sterling for a Violet Flower Accord that calls for Violet Leaf as one of the ingredients. > What is the consistency like? When I think of wax, the only > thing that comes to mind is parafin or beeswax consistencies. Consistency varies with floral waxes - for example Jasmine grand. is a soft, kind of sticky wax while Jasmine sambac is rock hard. Rose wax is very hard, while Clary Sage is very soft and sticky - almost like taffy, Tuberose is creamy and Frangipani is hard and crumbly ... etc ... > Do the waxes retain any healing properties? Could > they be used in healing salves or are they for > scenting only? They are a by-product of the absolute making process, which are created with aromatic concretes made from solvents . For the most part concretes and absolutes are used more for scent aesthetics (perfumery & aromachology) than for aromatherapy. Now as far as whether there are any non scent related benefits they may impart ... Jeanne Rose does have an article on her web site about using several floral waxes in cosmetics. She specifically mentions the benefits of Cassie wax, especially in a variety of skin lightening and anti-aging formulas. She also discusses Rose Wax, Narcissus Wax, etc ... <http://www.jeannerose.net/articles/essential_flower_waxes.html>http://www.jeann\ erose.net/articles/essential_flower_waxes.html > Would you have any idea of how much I would need to use > for the same scenting effect of an essential oil? For example > if I would normally use 1tsp of EO in a soap, would I need > to use an equivalent amount of wax? Marge gave some wonderful advice on here about using waxes some months ago. She said that with soap making, generally speaking - 1 oz of wax is = to 1/2 oz of absolute. Recently I came across an old snippet in the archives from Anastasia Crabtree where she mentioned using 1 oz of floral wax as part of her blend for a 4 lb batch of soap ... Obviously you'd have to adjust those numbers given above depending on the odor intensity of your raw material (some waxes have a fainter/stronger odor than others) and what you're looking to create, but if you use them as a general guide, you can go play and have some sort of direction to start with! > Thanks very much for any help you can offer. > Holly I have a recipe on my web page for a body butter formulated with floral wax. <http://alittleolfactory.com/recipes.htm>http://alittleolfactory.com/recipes.htm I hope to be posting some more recipes there soon - as time permits. Also, DM's site Make Your Own Cosmetics <http://makeyourowncosmetics.com/>http://makeyourowncosmetics.com/ <http://makeyourowncosmetics.com/search.asp> has several recipes containing floral waxes. I hope that info helped you and others out some! *Smile* Chris Pre-Buy - Floral Waxes - 9 Varieties Special Pricing Through October 30th! <http://www.alittleolfactory.com/prebuys.htm>http://www.alittleolfactory.com/pre\ buys.htm Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Ayala Sender <ayala@...> wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between floral wax and concrete? Thanks! Ayala Sender Hi Ayala This gives a good answer to your question www.jeannerose.net/articles/essential_flower_waxes best Janita Ps...... lovely lovely smelly blog..... congrats to all........A great year for NP Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > Hi Ayala > > This gives a good answer to your question > > www.jeannerose.net/articles/essential_flower_waxes > > best > Janita > Ps...... lovely lovely smelly blog..... congrats to all........A great year for NP > Janita, The link doesn't work for some reason. And when I go to the articles it says they are forbidden... Thanks! Ayala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > Floral wax is what's left after the absolute extraction process. The > floral waxes still have a lot of scent in them, and yes, they can be > used for solid perfumes. I wouldn't smush and tincture them for > extraction for an alcohol perfume, I'd use the concretes that way, > but yes, I have used them in solid perfumes. Wonderful stuff. Chris > and Marcia source great floral waxes, and I'd highly recommend them. > > > Anya McCoy > Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com That's what I thought. I am still a bit surprised that there is anything left after the absolutes are rendered. It's quite amazing how much the plants want to give us! I am very keen on experimenting with these, especially for bringing the cost of solid perfumes down. I will be ordering these from Chris and Marcia as soon as I get enough time to delve into the realm of developing new products with new consistencies, and, well, get my scales! Thanks for your help! Ayala www.AyalaMoriel.com www.SmellyBlog.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 At 06:06 PM 12/9/2006, you wrote: >Janita, >The link doesn't work for some reason. And when I go to the articles >it says they are forbidden... Ayala Here's the correct link -- it's in the repost of Chris' message I posted today. http://www.jeannerose.net/articles/essential_flower_waxes.html Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Community Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Ayala Sender <ayala@...> wrote: --- > > This gives a good answer to your question > > www.jeannerose.net/articles/essential_flower_waxes.html > >> Janita, The link doesn't work for some reason. And when I go to the articles it says they are forbidden... Thanks! Ayala sorry Ayala got back from the cinema and thought I would try to see if I had got it right..... try html at the end..... I got the same response as you.... hang on I'll put this on save as draft and make sure again. yep opens up but I noticed it www.jeannerose.net/articles/essential_flower_waxes.html try that and if all that fails ...... go to jeanne rose website and it is under articles.... good luck :-) Janita --------------------------------- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to - quick, easy and free. Do it now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > The link doesn't work for some reason. And when I go to the articles > it says they are forbidden...< It was given to you with the end missing: http://www.jeannerose.net/articles/essential_flower_waxes.html Sue Apito Webmaster, www.jeannerose.net www.aromaticplantproject.com P.S. I retired www.ctherb.com so switched my ID & email Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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