Re: Re: Air filters etc. - Shelly

[Guest guest]

,

My read on true HEPA is filtration down to 0.3 micron, not 3.0 micron.

Ninety percent of all particles in the air are smaller than 0.3 micron, I

think mold spores are down to 0.1 micron which might be achieved by the best

Hyper HEPA filtration. IQ Air claims Hyper HEPA in some of it's units and

filtration to 0.003 micron with minimum 90% efficiency which should get some

viruses and tobacco smoke particles as well as mold spores. I am sure

will have some light to shed on this.

My position remains to not use ionization or especially ozone, but filter

well and ventilate. The ionization is seldom very effective and usually

produces low levels of ozone. The ozone should not be used in spaces where

there are people present.

Regards, Bruce

Bruce Rundlett, BBEC

Bio-Home Solutions

HC 1 Box 3354

Oracle,AZ 85623

(520) 829-3494

www.bio-homesolutions.com

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Barbara

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:26 PM

Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [] Air filters etc. -

,

I honestly feel that Mr. Grimes is the one you need to

ask about this. Hopefully he will read your post and

be able to clarify everything for you.

Barb E.

--- bobbinsbiomed@ <mailto:bobbinsbiomed%40aol.com> aol.com wrote:

>

> I am seeking clarification on the following; My

> understanding is that HEPA

> filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold

> spores are as small as 1

> micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a

> HEPA filter actually help

> when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold

> in an environment? Does

> anyone really know the answer to this?

>

> Are HEPA products really superior to the air

> purifiers that use ionization?

> When using a product such as by Eco quest which

> uses ionization and ozone,

> some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby

> you are able to turn off the

> ozone and can adjust it.

>

> Also, another question that has been asked on this

> site without any real

> response was; which is a good air purifier on the

> market? This would include

> decreased noise level. I have had various types and

> would not be so quick to

> recommend any that I have experienced due to various

> problems with them. I

> do believe that air purifiers can help, use them

> myself and recommend that

> others use them as well. However, to what degree

> they help, is the question.

> Research put out by the individual companies to

> promote their products are

> biased and unreliable.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> erikmoldwarrior@ <mailto:erikmoldwarrior%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net

writes:

>

>

> I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for

> someone moving

> into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with

> the proceeds of

> his very lucrative means of self employment.

> His " work from home " job earned him in excess of

> $85,000.00 last

> year, and it looks like another good and highly

> profitable year.

> So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an

> employee.

>

> He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air -

> Eco quest " air

> purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away)

> I asked him about the class action suit alleging

> harmful effects of

> ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out

> because there were

> no standards by which harmful effects could be

> claimed, proved, or

> litigated.

> He did, however, admit that he advises usage with

> greatest safety

> would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is

> around - and

> keep it off when the space is inhabited.

> When I pointed out that this machine would do

> nothing to resolve a

> building that had already been mold contaminated,

> which is what most

> people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the

> toxins are still

> toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he

> proposed that the

> machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to

> keep mold from

> growing new colonies and producing what he called

> " micro-toxins " g

> He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the

> product, and has

> himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a

> valuable service

> for his customers - even though it is not a perfect

> solution - at

> least it might help, and people need all the help

> they can get.

> I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded

> deceit.

> And he is making a ton of money.

>

> Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him?

> I gave it serious consideration, and tried

> practicing some

> salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag,

> choke, sputter... "

> Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words!

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Please correct the 90% at 0.003 to read minimum 99% efficiency. Sorry

Bruce Rundlett, BBEC

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Bio-Home Solutions

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:33 PM

Subject: RE: Re: [] Air filters etc. -

,

My read on true HEPA is filtration down to 0.3 micron, not 3.0 micron.

Ninety percent of all particles in the air are smaller than 0.3 micron, I

think mold spores are down to 0.1 micron which might be achieved by the best

Hyper HEPA filtration. IQ Air claims Hyper HEPA in some of it's units and

filtration to 0.003 micron with minimum 90% efficiency which should get some

viruses and tobacco smoke particles as well as mold spores. I am sure

will have some light to shed on this.

My position remains to not use ionization or especially ozone, but filter

well and ventilate. The ionization is seldom very effective and usually

produces low levels of ozone. The ozone should not be used in spaces where

there are people present.

Regards, Bruce

Bruce Rundlett, BBEC

Bio-Home Solutions

HC 1 Box 3354

Oracle,AZ 85623

(520) 829-3494

www.bio-homesolutions.com

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From: @ <mailto:%40>

[mailto:@

<mailto:%40> ]

On Behalf Of Barbara

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 4:26 PM

@ <mailto:%40>

Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [] Air filters etc. -

,

I honestly feel that Mr. Grimes is the one you need to

ask about this. Hopefully he will read your post and

be able to clarify everything for you.

Barb E.

--- bobbinsbiomed@ <mailto:bobbinsbiomed%40aol.com> aol.com wrote:

>

> I am seeking clarification on the following; My

> understanding is that HEPA

> filters only filter up to 3 microns and that mold

> spores are as small as 1

> micron. Given this, would an air purifyer with a

> HEPA filter actually help

> when there is a problem with elevated levels of mold

> in an environment? Does

> anyone really know the answer to this?

>

> Are HEPA products really superior to the air

> purifiers that use ionization?

> When using a product such as by Eco quest which

> uses ionization and ozone,

> some of their machines have a mechanisim whereby

> you are able to turn off the

> ozone and can adjust it.

>

> Also, another question that has been asked on this

> site without any real

> response was; which is a good air purifier on the

> market? This would include

> decreased noise level. I have had various types and

> would not be so quick to

> recommend any that I have experienced due to various

> problems with them. I

> do believe that air purifiers can help, use them

> myself and recommend that

> others use them as well. However, to what degree

> they help, is the question.

> Research put out by the individual companies to

> promote their products are

> biased and unreliable.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/11/2006 1:08:20 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> erikmoldwarrior@ <mailto:erikmoldwarrior%40earthlink.net> earthlink.net

writes:

>

>

> I was just at a BBQ last night, a " housewarming " for

> someone moving

> into his brand new beautiful domicile, paid for with

> the proceeds of

> his very lucrative means of self employment.

> His " work from home " job earned him in excess of

> $85,000.00 last

> year, and it looks like another good and highly

> profitable year.

> So good, in fact, that he is thinking of hiring an

> employee.

>

> He sells, by " word of mouth " only - Alpine air -

> Eco quest " air

> purifiers " (I could smell the ozone blazing away)

> I asked him about the class action suit alleging

> harmful effects of

> ozone, and he replied that it had been thrown out

> because there were

> no standards by which harmful effects could be

> claimed, proved, or

> litigated.

> He did, however, admit that he advises usage with

> greatest safety

> would be to only turn on the machine when no-one is

> around - and

> keep it off when the space is inhabited.

> When I pointed out that this machine would do

> nothing to resolve a

> building that had already been mold contaminated,

> which is what most

> people " in mold trouble " are hoping for, as the

> toxins are still

> toxic whether or not the spores remain viable, he

> proposed that the

> machine still had value as a pre-emptive measure to

> keep mold from

> growing new colonies and producing what he called

> " micro-toxins " g

> He seems like a really nice guy, believes in the

> product, and has

> himself conpletely convinced that he is providing a

> valuable service

> for his customers - even though it is not a perfect

> solution - at

> least it might help, and people need all the help

> they can get.

> I detected no trace of intentional or evil minded

> deceit.

> And he is making a ton of money.

>

> Boy, wouldn't it be nice to go to work for him?

> I gave it serious consideration, and tried

> practicing some

> salesmanship by saying " This product will.. gag,

> choke, sputter... "

> Damn it! I just couldn't speak the words!

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have an Austin in my bedroom as well and I have been told it filters as well

as the IQ. I think the IQ has a plastic encasing so I went with the metal

encased austin.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: I have an Austin in my bedroom and

I just love the humm of it. It

helps block out other unexpected noises but it is very soft sound.

How about the IQs? Does anyone have one of those super Hepa machines

and think they are noisey? What is noisey is my dehumidifier...ouch,

my ears! It sounds like a truck running.

>

>Bruce,

> Thank you for the clarification. Most filtration systems seem to

claim 99%

> efficiency. I was just wondering if some molds fell into that 1%

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[Guest guest]

Just got one -- Plus or Pro (I think it is Plus). Only noisy when in 6th gear

(G). Otherwise, I like the white noise and the air smells very sweet (no ozone

used). I use it in an area of about 700 sq ft and when the house furnace fan is

on then the rest of the house gets a little benefit. So far, I really like it.

The retailer said they would give a little break if they sold more -- I might

get one for upper floor (2800 sq ft -- two story with useable basement).

Leigh McCall-Alton <mccallalton@...> wrote:

I have an Austin in my bedroom as well and I have been told it filters

as well as the IQ. I think the IQ has a plastic encasing so I went with the

metal encased austin.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: I have an Austin in my bedroom and I just

love the humm of it. It

helps block out other unexpected noises but it is very soft sound.

How about the IQs? Does anyone have one of those super Hepa machines

and think they are noisey? What is noisey is my dehumidifier...ouch,

my ears! It sounds like a truck running.

>

>Bruce,

> Thank you for the clarification. Most filtration systems seem to

claim 99%

> efficiency. I was just wondering if some molds fell into that 1%

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