Re: A: Herpes Help (HSV-2)

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Hi ,

I use a combo tincture with Lomatium, spilanthes, st. john's wort,

glyccyrhiza, ech, schizandra (GAIA Lomatium), and I add what's not in it

(melissa). I dose it 1/2 tsp 2-3x day. It is a high dose but it works-

it will decrease the length of episode and the frequency of episodes. I

use it in conjunction with Vitanica's Lysine extra and dose that acutely

and Vitamin C and B-vits. This group also rec. Acer or plantinus but I

haven't used that yet.

I think of it as a stress and immune depleted process and so treat that

while I ask the individual to look into the M/E component of the

outbreak. Is there shame? anger? fear? etc. If so these suppressed

emotions will also contribute to stress and dec. immunity. It doesn't

look like she has had psychotherapy. Maybe she needs to talk about stuff?

Lang, ND

Brattleboro, VT

Chang wrote:

> Hi group,

> I've had one of those patients that has tried it ALL for genital

> herpes and we're both getting very discouraged.

>

> A brief list of what she has tried (all in high doses) from me and

> other practitioners:

> Valtrex

> Limuplex

> Vitamin C

> L-lysine

> Monolaurin

> Glycyrrhizin

> BTGs x 5 months

> Quercitin bioflavonoids

> Lemon balm (/ off./) cream

> Anti-inflammatory Diet (avoiding arginine, incorporating lysine)

> 5 rounds of UNDA drainage

> Homeopathic Sulphur and other single remedies

> Hydrogen peroxide IVs

> Cognitive Behavioral Therapy & journalling

> Biofeedback

>

> I'm really at a loss for what to do, as she is not seeing any

> improvement. She is a very compliant patient who really wants to kick

> this. She continues to have outbreaks at least once a month, sometimes

> more and is not seeing any improvement after spending all this money

> and time.

>

> The one piece in all of this that keeps getting to me is that the

> outbreaks are on her buttocks and she acquired HSV2 from an affair -

> but even repertorizing with that isn't helping me much. Her attitude

> has changed for the better and I have her doing affirmations (there

> seems to be a huge emotional component to it), but there has been

> absolutely no change in her outbreaks or in her person overall.

>

> While trying not to show it, I'm getting discouraged as well. I'm

> hoping that someone has something out there that I might be missing.

>

> Any ideas on how I can help her or encouragement for me?

>

> Thanks so much,

> Chang, ND

> Women's Health

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Hi , Thanks for your input. Unfortunately, I'm relatively new to practice and don't have a medicinary. I'm assuming this tincture is something you put together yourself? Do you have any suggestions on a similar easy-to-get tincture?She's on a pretty high dose of lysine and another practitioner put her on 9g Vit C qd. I haven't tried Acer or Platinus yet, but good thoughts.She's been in therapy (cognitive behavioral therapy) for 6 months now, and the M/E component still doesn't seem to be much better. The main issue I'm having is that usually even with BTGs, I see some improvement - and this is the first case where a patient has done everything I've suggested, tried so much and is terribly frustrated.Thanks again for your help, Chang, NDOn 4/20/06, Lang <relang21@...> wrote:Hi ,I use a

combo tincture with Lomatium, spilanthes, st. john's wort,glyccyrhiza, ech, schizandra (GAIA Lomatium), and I add what's not in it(melissa). I dose it 1/2 tsp 2-3x day. It is a high dose but it works-it will decrease the length of episode and the frequency of episodes. Iuse it in conjunction with Vitanica's Lysine extra and dose that acutelyand Vitamin C and B-vits. This group also rec. Acer or plantinus but Ihaven't used that yet.I think of it as a stress and immune depleted process and so treat thatwhile I ask the individual to look into the M/E component of theoutbreak. Is there shame? anger? fear? etc. If so these suppressedemotions will also contribute to stress and dec. immunity. It doesn'tlook like she has had psychotherapy. Maybe she needs to talk about stuff? Lang, NDBrattleboro, VT Chang wrote:> Hi group,> I've had one of those patients that has tried it ALL for

genital> herpes and we're both getting very discouraged.>> A brief list of what she has tried (all in high doses) from me and> other practitioners:> Valtrex> Limuplex> Vitamin C> L-lysine> Monolaurin> Glycyrrhizin> BTGs x 5 months> Quercitin bioflavonoids> Lemon balm (/ off./) cream> Anti-inflammatory Diet (avoiding arginine, incorporating lysine)> 5 rounds of UNDA drainage> Homeopathic Sulphur and other single remedies> Hydrogen peroxide IVs> Cognitive Behavioral Therapy & journalling> Biofeedback>> I'm really at a loss for what to do, as she is not seeing any> improvement. She is a very compliant patient who really wants to kick> this. She continues to have outbreaks at least once a month, sometimes> more and is not seeing any improvement after spending all this money> and

time.>> The one piece in all of this that keeps getting to me is that the> outbreaks are on her buttocks and she acquired HSV2 from an affair -> but even repertorizing with that isn't helping me much. Her attitude> has changed for the better and I have her doing affirmations (there> seems to be a huge emotional component to it), but there has been> absolutely no change in her outbreaks or in her person overall.>> While trying not to show it, I'm getting discouraged as well. I'm> hoping that someone has something out there that I might be missing.>> Any ideas on how I can help her or encouragement for me? >> Thanks so much,> Chang, ND> Women's Health

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Hi , You can get the majority of the herbs in gaia's Lomatium blend. They may sell it in the healthfood store, but I know that they sell it in their professional solutions line. I don't think it has St. 's, but that can be purchased at any health food store and added. It does sound like a difficult case. Maybe you both my benefit by stepping back and checking to see if the correct system is being treated. Just a thought. Chang <lauragchang@...> wrote: Hi , Thanks for your input. Unfortunately, I'm relatively new to practice and don't have a medicinary. I'm assuming this tincture is something you put together yourself? Do you have any suggestions on a similar easy-to-get tincture?She's on a pretty high dose of lysine and another

practitioner put her on 9g Vit C qd. I haven't tried Acer or Platinus yet, but good thoughts.She's been in therapy (cognitive behavioral therapy) for 6 months now, and the M/E component still doesn't seem to be much better. The main issue I'm having is that usually even with BTGs, I see some improvement - and this is the first case where a patient has done everything I've suggested, tried so much and is terribly frustrated.Thanks again for your help, Chang, NDOn 4/20/06, Lang <relang21@...> wrote:Hi ,I use a combo tincture with Lomatium, spilanthes, st. john's wort,glyccyrhiza, ech, schizandra (GAIA Lomatium), and I add what's not in it(melissa). I dose it 1/2 tsp 2-3x day. It is a high dose but it works-it will decrease the length of episode and the frequency of episodes. Iuse it in conjunction

with Vitanica's Lysine extra and dose that acutelyand Vitamin C and B-vits. This group also rec. Acer or plantinus but Ihaven't used that yet.I think of it as a stress and immune depleted process and so treat thatwhile I ask the individual to look into the M/E component of theoutbreak. Is there shame? anger? fear? etc. If so these suppressedemotions will also contribute to stress and dec. immunity. It doesn'tlook like she has had psychotherapy. Maybe she needs to talk about stuff? Lang, NDBrattleboro, VT Chang wrote:> Hi group,> I've had one of those patients that has tried it ALL for genital> herpes and we're both getting very discouraged.>> A brief list of what she has tried (all in high doses) from me and> other practitioners:> Valtrex> Limuplex> Vitamin C> L-lysine> Monolaurin> Glycyrrhizin> BTGs x 5 months>

Quercitin bioflavonoids> Lemon balm (/ off./) cream> Anti-inflammatory Diet (avoiding arginine, incorporating lysine)> 5 rounds of UNDA drainage> Homeopathic Sulphur and other single remedies> Hydrogen peroxide IVs> Cognitive Behavioral Therapy & journalling> Biofeedback>> I'm really at a loss for what to do, as she is not seeing any> improvement. She is a very compliant patient who really wants to kick> this. She continues to have outbreaks at least once a month, sometimes> more and is not seeing any improvement after spending all this money> and time.>> The one piece in all of this that keeps getting to me is that the> outbreaks are on her buttocks and she acquired HSV2 from an affair -> but even repertorizing with that isn't helping me much. Her attitude> has changed for the better and I have her doing affirmations (there>

seems to be a huge emotional component to it), but there has been> absolutely no change in her outbreaks or in her person overall.>> While trying not to show it, I'm getting discouraged as well. I'm> hoping that someone has something out there that I might be missing.>> Any ideas on how I can help her or encouragement for me? >> Thanks so much,> Chang, ND> Women's Health Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Lang, NDBrattleboro, VTWomen's Health, Depression, Allergies

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,

I think this is a case where you will learn a TON if you stick with it.

Treating this patient to wellness may challenge all of your personal edges. Are you ready?

I noticed that all of the treatments so far attempted are on the material /animal level instead of the human/spiritual level, which is where you now need to go. For patients who need this, you can do all the treatments you want, but if they are not targeting the aspect of the person that is stuck, hurt, challenged, etc, you will not get a response. Drainage has an energetic component, but you need to prescribe the remedies with that intention and in a way that is totally different than you will learn in any book.

My advice is to dig deep within yourself and use your intuition about how to best help this patient, or what may be going on with her. Trust yourself. Trust the medicine. Listen to WHAT she is telling you, not her words. Try something totally new and venture to the unknown, which is where we get new knowing.

If you’re still unsure about how to attempt this, talk with someone who helps you connect to the “knowing” part of yourself, and know that you are going to come out of this case a changed person.

Stick with it; your patient is counting on you.

Christie Winkelman, MA (psychotherapy)

ND3, NCNM

On 4/20/06 11:57 AM, " Chang " <lauragchang@...> wrote:

Hi group,

I've had one of those patients that has tried it ALL for genital herpes and we're both getting very discouraged.

A brief list of what she has tried (all in high doses) from me and other practitioners:

Valtrex

Limuplex

Vitamin C

L-lysine

Monolaurin

Glycyrrhizin

BTGs x 5 months

Quercitin bioflavonoids

Lemon balm ( off.) cream

Anti-inflammatory Diet (avoiding arginine, incorporating lysine)

5 rounds of UNDA drainage

Homeopathic Sulphur and other single remedies

Hydrogen peroxide IVs

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy & journalling

Biofeedback

I'm really at a loss for what to do, as she is not seeing any improvement. She is a very compliant patient who really wants to kick this. She continues to have outbreaks at least once a month, sometimes more and is not seeing any improvement after spending all this money and time.

The one piece in all of this that keeps getting to me is that the outbreaks are on her buttocks and she acquired HSV2 from an affair - but even repertorizing with that isn't helping me much. Her attitude has changed for the better and I have her doing affirmations (there seems to be a huge emotional component to it), but there has been absolutely no change in her outbreaks or in her person overall.

While trying not to show it, I'm getting discouraged as well. I'm hoping that someone has something out there that I might be missing.

Any ideas on how I can help her or encouragement for me?

Thanks so much,

Chang, ND

Women's Health

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