Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Loreen, Depression is NO different than any other chronic disease. It IS CURABLE - in the same way that ALL chronic diseases are curable. So I approach it the same way as any case. First 1-2 years works on palliation WHILE also doing CURATIVE therapies. Major depression is a challenge as we just talked about. Once "stable" you need to work on miasms, temperament, constitution, then Brain protocol. Why would you think the condition is not curable? Time, Nature and Patience -the 3 great physicians will help you in these and all chronic disease. Dick Thom Beaverton, OR cancer, endocrine, Business of Health I enjoyed the phone conference tonight on depression and insomnia, but agree, this could have been a full day conference. Depression is an extremely common problem here on the beautiful, rainy coast, and definitely one that comes up almost daily, particularly in fall and winter. Is there any treatments that anyone has found to be truly curative for depression? I have had good success managing depression with diet, routine, light boxes, exercise, herbs, UNDA, vitamins B, and D, fish oil, and biotine, but, invariably, after some months (say 3- 6, or maybe when the next rainy season rolls around), in many patients, the depression comes back. Even with good counselling, the improvements in the chronically depressed seem to have a timeline. (those with transient depression are easily treated and seem to resolve much easier.) I am thinking particularly a number of patients, mostly over 50, who have had depression for upward of 20 years. They are being managed very well with the above treatments, but, when they are stopped, the symptoms return. I have the same problem with the few manic depressives that I see. In most of these cases, systemic illness or chronic illness does not seem to be the problem and their physical health is actually quite good. Most of these patients I have been treating for 2-4 years. What am I missing? There are some therapies that were mentioned tonight that I don't use - aromas, gemmos, and gammadynes for example - but are these also symptom relief or curative? Loreen Dawson, ND Sechelt, BC Family Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Hi Loreen, I would use the Neurotransmitter tests from Neuroscience to check NT levels and treat palliatively to rebalance these levels. I use 5HTP in decent doses~ 100mg BID, 200mg BID. If Epi is low (and Norepi is ok and dopa ok) then I use Sam-E to help conversion of Norepi to Epi, or Tyrosine for the whole pathway. I also always treat the adrenals with herbs b/c I don't like to over stim the adrenals with tyrosine. I often use withania in my adrenal formulas or a good product that I've had success with " Adrenal Balance " by New chapter/ New Mark. These treatments are palliative and in my opinion help the individual regain the strength to deal with the underlying issues that are the cause of the depression. I also recommend some form of energetic treatment: shamanic treatment, cranial sacral, etc- whatever they resonate with- to aid in removing some of the blockages so that talk therapy can go deeper. I think each person with depression has to do the difficult work on the M/E level in order to heal. Oh yeah, I also always treat the gut b/c there is usually s/t going on there that is interferring with absorption or utilization of nutrients. So bugs and glutamine at least. For many pts this must be treated first in order for the above amino acids to be absorbed and converted. I think the gut always " goes " first and then leads to deficiencies and symptoms in other systems. But then I think about what caused the gut to " go " - usu. energetic/m/e stuff. Ok that is what I have to contribute. Good luck. Lang, ND Bratt, VT Drdwthom@... wrote: > Loreen, > Depression is NO different than any other chronic disease. > It IS CURABLE - in the same way that ALL chronic diseases are > curable. > > So I approach it the same way as any case. First 1-2 years works > on palliation WHILE also doing CURATIVE therapies. Major depression is > a challenge as we just talked about. Once " stable " you need to work on > miasms, temperament, constitution, then Brain protocol. > > Why would you think the condition is not curable? Time, Nature > and Patience -the 3 great physicians will help you in these and all > chronic disease. > > Dick Thom > Beaverton, OR > cancer, endocrine, Business of Health > > I enjoyed the phone conference tonight on depression and insomnia, > but agree, this could have been a full day conference. Depression > is an extremely common problem here on the beautiful, rainy coast, > and definitely one that comes up almost daily, particularly in fall > and winter. > > Is there any treatments that anyone has found to be truly curative > for depression? I have had good success managing depression with > diet, routine, light boxes, exercise, herbs, UNDA, vitamins B, and > D, fish oil, and biotine, but, invariably, after some months (say 3- > 6, or maybe when the next rainy season rolls around), in many > patients, the depression comes back. Even with good counselling, > the improvements in the chronically depressed seem to have a > timeline. (those with transient depression are easily treated and > seem to resolve much easier.) I am thinking particularly a number > of patients, mostly over 50, who have had depression for upward of > 20 years. They are being managed very well with the above > treatments, but, when they are stopped, the symptoms return. I have > the same problem with the few manic depressives that I see. In most > of these cases, systemic illness or chronic illness does not seem to > be the problem and their physical health is actually quite good. > Most of these patients I have been treating for 2-4 years. What am > I missing? > > There are some therapies that were mentioned tonight that I don't > use - aromas, gemmos, and gammadynes for example - but are these > also symptom relief or curative? > Loreen Dawson, ND > Sechelt, BC > Family Medicine > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 > > -- Dr. Lang, ND The Healing Way 382 Canal Street Brattleboro, VT 05301 www.thehealingway.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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