Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Posted February 23, 2006 Hi I think you are right - many HVs will have moved sideways into project posts or into project managent roles whch are not mainstream funded ( or even supported I would guess) some may not even consider their work or style to be entrepenurial HVs in caseloads do do a lot of innovative work but are constrained when it comes to being entrepeneurs as this implies a high level of risk and we 'live' in organisations that are highly risk adverse It may be worth while, through networking and e-communication for HVs to identfy their past colleagues who they consider to be entrepeneurs and invite them to contact or even reccomend them to lock entrepreneurs A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally acceptable. Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information. Thanks Quote
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Posted February 23, 2006 Thanks . Are there any health visitor-led projects funded by your, or any other Local Sure Starts? I think the key to identifying the people is looking for, is that theyneed to have set up the project (e.g., I know some HVs were the 'lead contacts' who set up whole Local Sure Start Projects), rather than apppointed to work in it once the post was established. (SureStart) wrote: >Hi >I think you are right - many HVs will have moved sideways into project posts >or into project managent roles whch are not mainstream funded ( or even >supported I would guess) > >some may not even consider their work or style to be entrepenurial > >HVs in caseloads do do a lot of innovative work but are constrained when it >comes to being entrepeneurs > >as this implies a high level of risk and we 'live' in organisations that are >highly risk adverse > >It may be worth while, through networking and e-communication for HVs to >identfy their past colleagues >who they consider to be entrepeneurs and invite them to contact or even >reccomend them to lock > > > > entrepreneurs > > >A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project >looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title >is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the >other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and >midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. > >To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' >within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding >stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health >visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for >her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal >reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally >acceptable. > >Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information. > >Thanks > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Posted February 23, 2006 Thanks . Are there any health visitor-led projects funded by your, or any other Local Sure Starts? I think the key to identifying the people is looking for, is that theyneed to have set up the project (e.g., I know some HVs were the 'lead contacts' who set up whole Local Sure Start Projects), rather than apppointed to work in it once the post was established. (SureStart) wrote: >Hi >I think you are right - many HVs will have moved sideways into project posts >or into project managent roles whch are not mainstream funded ( or even >supported I would guess) > >some may not even consider their work or style to be entrepenurial > >HVs in caseloads do do a lot of innovative work but are constrained when it >comes to being entrepeneurs > >as this implies a high level of risk and we 'live' in organisations that are >highly risk adverse > >It may be worth while, through networking and e-communication for HVs to >identfy their past colleagues >who they consider to be entrepeneurs and invite them to contact or even >reccomend them to lock > > > > entrepreneurs > > >A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project >looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title >is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the >other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and >midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. > >To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' >within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding >stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health >visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for >her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal >reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally >acceptable. > >Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information. > >Thanks > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Posted February 23, 2006 , If being an entrepreneur is about thinking up projects, raising funds for them and supporting them to keep them alive over time, in situations where they were unlikely to happen other wise, then that is probably what my little venture is. This effort is non profit making (of course) so I call it community development and has over the last four years involved around £18,000 in salaries and expenses to pay an independant facilitator and creche workers for a family group on a city centre estate. The pocket of deprivation is too small to be in the Sure Start area which is on the other side of Bath city, but the need is no less. I pay others to do the work because I realised that social inclusion occurs in families who have had a lifetime of messages from those surrounding them, including the statuatory services, that they are deficit, inferior in many ways and need changing and watching. As a lone worker I could only work in the one to one so realised that if I was to also foster a sense of community in which people felt more able to relate with their neighbours (being paramount above teaching them anything) then I needed to create a space that would do just that. The joy is that the group is not constrained by unhelpful numerical targets. My job in convincing funders that this is a worthwhile venture it is not difficult. Commonsense tells people outside health, education and statutory services that being together (held and valued) is in itself important. We keep our heads down, don't advertise wider than our target area and the PCT probably has little idea what we are doing because it is low profile, doesn't touch usual targets so has little interest to them. I do it this way because experience tells me they can be little help to us in terms of money or support and would only make our/my job harder by making demands - measurements that we make a difference/ visitors / students etc. We don't encourage visitors except the funders (Local Network Fund the Greater Bristol Foundation and local businesses) because the ethos for our target group is to treat them with huge respect not as interesting dangerous statistics. My other job is supporting the facilitator and creche and helping out on special days. I get to go on outings etc. which are my joyous reward - to encourage a child to touch a sheep when his fearful mother had been screaming at him to get back in his buggy is reward enough. I watch the safety created by the facilitator and the calming influence of her modeling how to behave. We have a constitution, child protection and other policies and are aware of the 'risks' , which on the face of it are about balancing child protection and befriending. In reality there have not been any major probems yet. Projects such as this depend on the people involved. It has been hard to involve the families in the management of it and it is unclear what would happen if any of us should leave - sustainability is our next 'think'. It is clear to me that the style has emerged out of the personalities and priorities of those involved. To see a different style that I hugely admire because it seems to happen on much less money and involve more projects and people see Ruth Grant's work at Peasedown. Robyn Cowley <sarah@...> wrote: Thanks . Are there any health visitor-led projects funded by your, or any other Local Sure Starts? I think the key to identifying the people is looking for, is that theyneed to have set up the project (e.g., I know some HVs were the 'lead contacts' who set up whole Local Sure Start Projects), rather than apppointed to work in it once the post was established. (SureStart) wrote:>Hi >I think you are right - many HVs will have moved sideways into project posts>or into project managent roles whch are not mainstream funded ( or even>supported I would guess)>>some may not even consider their work or style to be entrepenurial >>HVs in caseloads do do a lot of innovative work but are constrained when it>comes to being entrepeneurs >>as this implies a high level of risk and we 'live' in organisations that are>highly risk adverse >>It may be worth while, through networking and e-communication for HVs to>identfy their past colleagues >who they consider to be entrepeneurs and invite them to contact or even>reccomend them to lock>>>> entrepreneurs>>>A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project >looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title >is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the >other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and >midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. >>To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' >within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding >stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health >visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for >her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal >reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally >acceptable. >>Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information.>>Thanks>>>>> > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Posted February 24, 2006 Thanks Robyn. You and Ruth are both on my list, and I have several others that I can think of. Any others, please? Robyn Pound wrote: , If being an entrepreneur is about thinking up projects, raising funds for them and supporting them to keep them alive over time, in situations where they were unlikely to happen other wise, then that is probably what my little venture is. This effort is non profit making (of course) so I call it community development and has over the last four years involved around £18,000 in salaries and expenses to pay an independant facilitator and creche workers for a family group on a city centre estate. The pocket of deprivation is too small to be in the Sure Start area which is on the other side of Bath city, but the need is no less. I pay others to do the work because I realised that social inclusion occurs in families who have had a lifetime of messages from those surrounding them, including the statuatory services, that they are deficit, inferior in many ways and need changing and watching. As a lone worker I could only work in the one to one so realised that if I was to also foster a sense of community in which people felt more able to relate with their neighbours (being paramount above teaching them anything) then I needed to create a space that would do just that. The joy is that the group is not constrained by unhelpful numerical targets. My job in convincing funders that this is a worthwhile venture it is not difficult. Commonsense tells people outside health, education and statutory services that being together (held and valued) is in itself important. We keep our heads down, don't advertise wider than our target area and the PCT probably has little idea what we are doing because it is low profile, doesn't touch usual targets so has little interest to them. I do it this way because experience tells me they can be little help to us in terms of money or support and would only make our/my job harder by making demands - measurements that we make a difference/ visitors / students etc. We don't encourage visitors except the funders (Local Network Fund the Greater Bristol Foundation and local businesses) because the ethos for our target group is to treat them with huge respect not as interesting dangerous statistics. My other job is supporting the facilitator and creche and helping out on special days. I get to go on outings etc. which are my joyous reward - to encourage a child to touch a sheep when his fearful mother had been screaming at him to get back in his buggy is reward enough. I watch the safety created by the facilitator and the calming influence of her modeling how to behave. We have a constitution, child protection and other policies and are aware of the 'risks' , which on the face of it are about balancing child protection and befriending. In reality there have not been any major probems yet. Projects such as this depend on the people involved. It has been hard to involve the families in the management of it and it is unclear what would happen if any of us should leave - sustainability is our next 'think'. It is clear to me that the style has emerged out of the personalities and priorities of those involved. To see a different style that I hugely admire because it seems to happen on much less money and involve more projects and people see Ruth Grant's work at Peasedown. Robyn Cowley <sarah@...> wrote: Thanks . Are there any health visitor-led projects funded by your, or any other Local Sure Starts? I think the key to identifying the people is looking for, is that theyneed to have set up the project (e.g., I know some HVs were the 'lead contacts' who set up whole Local Sure Start Projects), rather than apppointed to work in it once the post was established. (SureStart) wrote: >Hi >I think you are right - many HVs will have moved sideways into project posts >or into project managent roles whch are not mainstream funded ( or even >supported I would guess) > >some may not even consider their work or style to be entrepenurial > >HVs in caseloads do do a lot of innovative work but are constrained when it >comes to being entrepeneurs > >as this implies a high level of risk and we 'live' in organisations that are >highly risk adverse > >It may be worth while, through networking and e-communication for HVs to >identfy their past colleagues >who they consider to be entrepeneurs and invite them to contact or even >reccomend them to lock > > > > entrepreneurs > > >A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project >looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title >is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the >other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and >midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. > >To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' >within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding >stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health >visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for >her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal >reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally >acceptable. > >Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information. > >Thanks > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Posted February 24, 2006 Hi Robyn Thanks for the useful rsponse - I was tired last night and did not respond but wanted to say - what was the definition of an entrpreneur that was being used. In my mind there are many types and there are also those internal to an organistaion and those external of an organisation entrepreneurs. In terms of the type of work HVs may do - just like yours - it may well be that it is going on but is not published and in the media or public domain for the very reasons you give and of course it is not "sexy" as they say like some of the more acute roles may appear to be! Margaret entrepreneurs>>>A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project >looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title >is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the >other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and >midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. >>To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' >within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding >stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health >visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for >her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal >reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally >acceptable. >>Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information.>>Thanks>>>>> > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Posted February 24, 2006 sarah, I think because health visiting doesn`t get included in titles of jobs that we all do perhaps we do not consider it to be enterpeneural. I too run a group independently of the NHS and have to get funding and work with other agencies. My health visiting background enabled to see the need, start the project and realise that the NHS would not provide funding as they only pay lip service to community/public health work, so I search monies from a variety of sources. Consequently I tend to get called `project leader`/coordinator etc.I think there are lots of entrepeneural hvs out there but they have moved into jobs with different titles and perhaps in order to empower others choose to avoid titles and roles that reinforce establishment links. Not wishing to be derogatory of other professions, I just think we do it differently. jeanette ps are we looking for Independent health visitors .com as a definition or something else? Cowley <sarah@...> wrote: Thanks Robyn. You and Ruth are both on my list, and I have several others that I can think of. Any others, please? Robyn Pound wrote: , If being an entrepreneur is about thinking up projects, raising funds for them and supporting them to keep them alive over time, in situations where they were unlikely to happen other wise, then that is probably what my little venture is. This effort is non profit making (of course) so I call it community development and has over the last four years involved around £18,000 in salaries and expenses to pay an independant facilitator and creche workers for a family group on a city centre estate. The pocket of deprivation is too small to be in the Sure Start area which is on the other side of Bath city, but the need is no less. I pay others to do the work because I realised that social inclusion occurs in families who have had a lifetime of messages from those surrounding them, including the statuatory services, that they are deficit, inferior in many ways and need changing and watching. As a lone worker I could only work in the one to one so realised that if I was to also foster a sense of community in which people felt more able to relate with their neighbours (being paramount above teaching them anything) then I needed to create a space that would do just that. The joy is that the group is not constrained by unhelpful numerical targets. My job in convincing funders that this is a worthwhile venture it is not difficult. Commonsense tells people outside health, education and statutory services that being together (held and valued) is in itself important. We keep our heads down, don't advertise wider than our target area and the PCT probably has little idea what we are doing because it is low profile, doesn't touch usual targets so has little interest to them. I do it this way because experience tells me they can be little help to us in terms of money or support and would only make our/my job harder by making demands - measurements that we make a difference/ visitors / students etc. We don't encourage visitors except the funders (Local Network Fund the Greater Bristol Foundation and local businesses) because the ethos for our target group is to treat them with huge respect not as interesting dangerous statistics. My other job is supporting the facilitator and creche and helping out on special days. I get to go on outings etc. which are my joyous reward - to encourage a child to touch a sheep when his fearful mother had been screaming at him to get back in his buggy is reward enough. I watch the safety created by the facilitator and the calming influence of her modeling how to behave. We have a constitution, child protection and other policies and are aware of the 'risks' , which on the face of it are about balancing child protection and befriending. In reality there have not been any major probems yet. Projects such as this depend on the people involved. It has been hard to involve the families in the management of it and it is unclear what would happen if any of us should leave - sustainability is our next 'think'. It is clear to me that the style has emerged out of the personalities and priorities of those involved. To see a different style that I hugely admire because it seems to happen on much less money and involve more projects and people see Ruth Grant's work at Peasedown. Robyn Cowley <sarah@...> wrote: Thanks . Are there any health visitor-led projects funded by your, or any other Local Sure Starts? I think the key to identifying the people is looking for, is that theyneed to have set up the project (e.g., I know some HVs were the 'lead contacts' who set up whole Local Sure Start Projects), rather than apppointed to work in it once the post was established. (SureStart) wrote:>Hi >I think you are right - many HVs will have moved sideways into project posts>or into project managent roles whch are not mainstream funded ( or even>supported I would guess)>>some may not even consider their work or style to be entrepenurial >>HVs in caseloads do do a lot of innovative work but are constrained when it>comes to being entrepeneurs >>as this implies a high level of risk and we 'live' in organisations that are>highly risk adverse >>It may be worth while, through networking and e-communication for HVs to>identfy their past colleagues >who they consider to be entrepeneurs and invite them to contact or even>reccomend them to lock>>>> entrepreneurs>>>A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project >looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title >is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the >other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and >midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. >>To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' >within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding >stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health >visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for >her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal >reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally >acceptable. >>Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information.>>Thanks>>>>> > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Posted February 24, 2006 Dear , Margaret, Robyn and SENATE As a researcher I consider myself as something of an entrepreneur, perhaps internal in Margaret's terms. However I am not employed as health visitor yet using my skills and knowledge as a past practitioner for the current research project, so I think that requires yet another addition to any definition. The project impinges directly on practice as the aim is get prevention of accidental and non-accidental head injury into universal mainstream health visiting and community practice. With the collaboration of the local trust and other statutory and voluntary organisations we are making progress. Although it may seem that I have the support of a University/College of Medicine Child Health Department and therefore do not act independently enough to be considered entrepreneurial, in practical terms, it is down to me to have the ideas, get funds, do the work, badger for secretarial hours and convince others of the need to see the project through. I am paid two days a week as a researcher but the effort to make the project work also involves entrepreneurship beyond the nuts and bolts of research in terms of seeing the need, stretching very limited resources to the utmost, engaging with statutory and voluntary organisations beyond the academic circle, 'marketing' the project, sourcing continued funding, planning and delivering the dissemination and seeing the project through to a reality in practice. I suspect that there are others in the same position that influence health visiting in this way, but they also may not fit the criteria of your enquirer. Interesting debate. http://www.core-info.cf.ac.uk/ Dr Coles PhD BA RHV RGN Research Fellow Department of Child Health, Community Section Cardiff University, Wales College of Medicine First Floor, Academic Centre Llandough Hospital Cardiff CF64 2XX Telephone Direct line/message service 02920 715479 Secretary 02920 716932/33/34 Fax 02920 350140 >>> margaret@... 24/02/06 10:05 AM >>> Hi Robyn Thanks for the useful rsponse - I was tired last night and did not respond but wanted to say - what was the definition of an entrpreneur that was being used. In my mind there are many types and there are also those internal to an organistaion and those external of an organisation entrepreneurs. In terms of the type of work HVs may do - just like yours - it may well be that it is going on but is not published and in the media or public domain for the very reasons you give and of course it is not " sexy " as they say like some of the more acute roles may appear to be! Margaret entrepreneurs > > >A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project >looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title >is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the >other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and >midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. > >To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' >within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding >stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health >visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for >her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal >reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally >acceptable. > >Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information. > >Thanks > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Posted February 24, 2006 Dear and all, Can I just say that as one of the lead researchers on the NHS SDO scoping project on nurse,midwife and health visitor entrepreneurs and patient choice , Locke (the social science researcher who has joined the project last month at Kings) has given you the wrong impression . We have been doing the scoping since the Autumn. Believe me , having qualified as a HV in 1979 , there is no way I have not logged past and current entrepreuneurial activity in health visitors and all the other nurses working in primary care. I with Goodman and Kathy Davies here at the Primary Care Nursing Research Unit have the brief for covering N,HV in primary care. Its great that you have all identified this activity . Many of the issues we have identifed in our commentaries that we are currently working on - so good to have the validation. The research team was just in the process of agreeing an email to go out on e-groups like this to ask for other exmaples of grey literature . Your email seems ot have pre-empted this - perhaps people could respond to me directly rather than Locke Vari Drennan v.drennan@... Just to let you know Traynor is the principal investigator at Middlesex Univeristy the team also includes Charlotte Humphrey , Murray at Kings College London, belle Marks, Middlesex University Business School. happy to receive information , examples and queries or contacts that we can follow up. Best wishes Vari Vari Drennan tel 020 7288 3522 http://www.ucl.ac.uk/pcps/research/pcnru/index.htm a > > A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project > looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This title > is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and the > other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses and > midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. > > To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to be 'innovative' > within standard practice. It really does require a separate funding > stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that health > visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being > subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting > Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples for > her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal > reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are equally > acceptable. > > Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information. > > Thanks > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Posted February 24, 2006 Hi Vari Thanks for the clarification - I have an invite to a day at the begining of April and was not sure whether I would come as of course time is money when you are self employed and I need to change a meeting but having read this I will do my best to come. I suppose in some ways I could be classed as an external entrepreneur with the work I do but I do not think of my self like that! The one thing I know though - if I was twenty years younger and not coming to the end of my career as I am - I would see the present agenda as a real opportunity and would be in there doing something. If I reflect back to the 1970's - we did not think about beign entrepreneurs although I must say there was many a time then and since when I have been " told off " or taken to task at least for being different or radical and now it seems it is allowed - in theory anyway although my work tells me not acceptable to al!!! Yesterday I ran a workshop for a dozen or so HVs from around the north and west midlands and in talking about the new agenda and the opportunities - there was at least one person who really took it on board and I could see was thinking how can I grab this and do soemthing with it - there is a lot of fight out there to do things better for the clients and that is great. Hope we might meet up in April Margaret Re: entrepreneurs > Dear and all, > Can I just say that as one of the lead researchers on the NHS SDO > scoping project on nurse,midwife and health visitor entrepreneurs and > patient choice , Locke (the social science researcher who has > joined the project last month at Kings) has given you the wrong > impression . > > We have been doing the scoping since the Autumn. Believe me , having > qualified as a HV in 1979 , there is no way I have not logged past > and current entrepreuneurial activity in health visitors and all the > other nurses working in primary care. I with Goodman and Kathy > Davies here at the Primary Care Nursing Research Unit have the brief > for covering N,HV in primary care. > > Its great that you have all identified this activity . Many of the > issues we have identifed in our commentaries that we are currently > working on - so good to have the validation. > > The research team was just in the process of agreeing an email to go > out on e-groups like this to ask for other exmaples of grey > literature . Your email seems ot have pre-empted this - perhaps > people could respond to me directly rather than Locke > > Vari Drennan v.drennan@... > > Just to let you know > Traynor is the principal investigator at Middlesex Univeristy > the team also includes Charlotte Humphrey , Murray at Kings > College London, belle Marks, Middlesex University Business School. > > happy to receive information , examples and queries or contacts that > we can follow up. > > Best wishes > Vari > > Vari Drennan > tel 020 7288 3522 > > http://www.ucl.ac.uk/pcps/research/pcnru/index.htm > > > > > a >> >> A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project >> looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This > title >> is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and > the >> other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses > and >> midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. >> >> To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to > be 'innovative' >> within standard practice. It really does require a separate > funding >> stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that > health >> visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >> subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >> Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples > for >> her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal >> reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are > equally >> acceptable. >> >> Please contact rachel.locke@... with any information. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Posted February 24, 2006 Oops! Sorry Vari. In my eagerness to support a new colleagues and to circulate health visiting information, I seem to have cut across some lines of communication and picked up the wrong end of the stick. Delighted that you are leading on this part of the project, given your long experience and knowledge of HV project work. Are you happy to pick up information from Senate, as well as direct contact? I think it is often encouraging for people to hear about what is going on around the country, as it may be an area of wider interest. best wishes > > > > A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project > > looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This > title > > is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and > the > > other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses > and > > midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. > > > > To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to > be 'innovative' > > within standard practice. It really does require a separate > funding > > stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that > health > > visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being > > subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting > > Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples > for > > her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal > > reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are > equally > > acceptable. > > > > Please contact rachel.locke@ with any information. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Posted February 27, 2006 Hi Margaret , thanks for getting back on this . I think your points are well made and it is a very interesting time for nurses/HVs and everyone else in primary care for that matter. Hope to see you in April but we do understand the constraints .... bw Vari > >> > >> A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project > >> looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This > > title > >> is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and > > the > >> other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses > > and > >> midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. > >> > >> To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to > > be 'innovative' > >> within standard practice. It really does require a separate > > funding > >> stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that > > health > >> visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being > >> subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting > >> Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples > > for > >> her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal > >> reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are > > equally > >> acceptable. > >> > >> Please contact rachel.locke@ with any information. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Posted February 27, 2006 Dear , many thanks for all your support - much appreciated. I'd be pleased to gather info. from any SENATE members (and feel free to pass on to other colleagues) - we are looking for 'grey 'infomration on entrepreneurial behaviour (i.e. both inside organisations and as the more commonly though of entrepreneurs in the business sense) by nurses, midwives and health visitors. We are looking to understand what supports that and what deters it - particularly since 1990( first introduction of internal market in UK health care) - and how it contributes or might contribute to patient/consumer/citizen choice. This is a scoping study so we are looking to find out what is known and then raise the questions that still need to be answered . As always anything about HVs and nurses is very poorly documented so any unpublished reports would be particularly welcome. Please contact me v.drennan@... tel 020 7288 3522 I will also make sure SENATE members are able to access our findings/summaries later this year. bw Vari > > > > > > A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research project > > > looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This > > title > > > is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and > > the > > > other two universities have identified masses of examples of nurses > > and > > > midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. > > > > > > To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to > > be 'innovative' > > > within standard practice. It really does require a separate > > funding > > > stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that > > health > > > visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being > > > subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting > > > Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any examples > > for > > > her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but internal > > > reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are > > equally > > > acceptable. > > > > > > Please contact rachel.locke@ with any information. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Posted February 27, 2006 Hi Vari, I would be happy to contribute to your research. Like Margaret I work for myself having come out of the NHS burnt out and feeling that innovation was not valued or supported. I love my self-employed work and feel that my contribution is valued but it asks for a set of very different behvaiours which i did noit realise and therfore were not encouraged within the NHS. I will send this to you direct but also wanted to contribute to the Senate debate Ann Re: entrepreneurs > Dear , many thanks for all your support - much appreciated. I'd > be pleased to gather info. from any SENATE members (and feel free to > pass on to other colleagues) - we are looking for 'grey 'infomration > on entrepreneurial behaviour (i.e. both inside organisations and as > the more commonly though of entrepreneurs in the business sense) by > nurses, midwives and health visitors. We are looking to understand > what supports that and what deters it - particularly since 1990( > first introduction of internal market in UK health care) - and how it > contributes or might contribute to patient/consumer/citizen choice. > This is a scoping study so we are looking to find out what is known > and then raise the questions that still need to be answered . > > As always anything about HVs and nurses is very poorly documented so > any unpublished reports would be particularly welcome. Please contact > me > v.drennan@... > tel 020 7288 3522 > > I will also make sure SENATE members are able to access our > findings/summaries later this year. > bw Vari > > >> > > >> > > A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research > project >> > > looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. > This >> > title >> > > is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, > and >> > the >> > > other two universities have identified masses of examples of > nurses >> > and >> > > midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. >> > > >> > > To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to >> > be 'innovative' >> > > within standard practice. It really does require a separate >> > funding >> > > stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that >> > health >> > > visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are > being >> > > subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, > Parenting >> > > Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any > examples >> > for >> > > her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but > internal >> > > reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are >> > equally >> > > acceptable. >> > > >> > > Please contact rachel.locke@ with any information. >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Posted February 28, 2006 Hi Have sorted my other meeting so will be there Margaret Re: entrepreneurs > Hi Margaret , > > thanks for getting back on this . I think your points are well made > and it is a very interesting time for nurses/HVs and everyone else in > primary care for that matter. Hope to see you in April but we do > understand the constraints .... > > bw > Vari > >> >> >> >> A colleague of mine has joined a three-university research > project >> >> looking at 'nurse entrepreneurs' and what they are doing. This >> > title >> >> is intended to include nurses, midwives and health visitors, and >> > the >> >> other two universities have identified masses of examples of > nurses >> > and >> >> midwives doing entrepreneurial things, but no health visitors. >> >> >> >> To be regarded as 'entrepreneurial,' it is not enough to >> > be 'innovative' >> >> within standard practice. It really does require a separate >> > funding >> >> stream from the standard service provision. I am amazed that >> > health >> >> visiting is so poorly represented. Is it because they are being >> >> subsumed under other titles, like Sure Start projects, Parenting >> >> Projects, public health nursing etc? Can we identify any > examples >> > for >> >> her please? Ideally, they should have been published, but > internal >> >> reports, newsletter reports etc (i.e., 'grey literature') are >> > equally >> >> acceptable. >> >> >> >> Please contact rachel.locke@ with any information. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote
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