Guest guest Posted September 9, 2006 Report Posted September 9, 2006 In terms of societal policing…once you go down that route, you lose all credibility as truly independent professionals…just look at psychiatry. It also can prevent (in hand with risk averseness in the law) people seeking help earlier rather than later this is espy true when there are mental ill-health issues and where people perceive or know that you may be seeing them through a potential or actual coercive lens? Chris www.primhe.org From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Daly Sent: 10 September 2006 20:40 Subject: Re: More Health Visitors?? Margaret We need to distinguish between policing of individual families in situations where children are suffering because of neglect often as a result of acts of omission by parents or carers who are themselves limited in their sense of their childs complex needs for their own reasons. Health Visiting is about making judgments and indeed taking risks in the context of a long term relationship wth the family. In that situation we may have a relationship with the family as a whole but we are morally and ethically accountable to the child not government, ideology political/scientific or anything else. In my opinion a far greater threat to society from health visitors are ill thought out politically inspired or even worse the bright idea of some civil servant or DOH official mass activity such as the recent national BMI initiative. Public weighing of children with no followup. Health Promotion and the epideomologists have the potential to be more oppressive and damaging too individuals and families We must challange such activity if we are not happy will serve the public good. Health Visiting has always been about the individlual and his needs in society. We have a proud history of " going native " and identifying with our communities and articulating their concerns and solutions to the wider society. Only this summer i reminded my own director of nursing that for most of our history we were known as the mothers friend. We can stand with families expecially the most excluded as they work with this government to improve thier lives. We need to be less concerned with occupational and professional limits and more concerned with how we can stretch to help families. I know it is not popular to praise this government at the moment but this is the most determined political efforts on behalf of the most excluded i have seen in my 30 year career I think we should support it. ---- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Buttigieg Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: Re: More Health Visitors?? Although I agree with and understand what you are saying and intellectually that would be my view - my concern is for the health visitors and school nurses being asked to act as social police. I have had some first hand experience of that this year in work I have been doing and when as a group of staff you are already disempowered and demoralised it is very hard to stand up and say - this is not our role. I am finding that the understanding of the work of health visitors and school nurses at strategic level is often very poor and it needs someone with authority to say clearly what their roles is and what they do and set up strategies to ensure their role is agreed and implemented. In terms of future work being out of children's centres - that is the clear message and I am also pretty certain in the conversations I have been having that we will be seeing a move of health visitors and school nurses back to the local authority and becoming clearly part of the Department for Education and Skills. Margaret Re: More Health Visitors?? Thanks for posting this link, ; just catching up with everything. I recognise the concerns about 'social policing' issues, but suppose I have a different take on them, and I think it is a great shame that the proposals are being portrayed in this media in this way. Shades of Jean /AIMS and the 'all health visitors are nuisances interfering with families' debates that we heard a few months (or was it years?) ago. For me, the risk of that a child may grow up to be involved in crime is as much a danger that child's future well-being as the risk that he or she may grow up to be overweight, or physically ill, or develop mental illness, or be unable to engage meaningfully with the educational system. I am not convinced that we can separate the bits out. Of course we want to avoid the behaviours towards children that we know are conducive to later involvement in crime: like inconsistent or unkind parenting, child abuse, neglect, social exclusion etc. Don't we? That doesn't mean we want to label parents, or children, as either criminals or potential criminals themselves. Instead, as I see it, health visitors are employed using tax payers money as a statement that families all need and deserve support; and that society as a whole cares enough about the conditions in which children grow up to ensure that they are able to develop their potential as fully participating, socially included and healthy citizens; not as socially excluded or under-achieving adults with physical, mental or emotional problems that could have been avoided. That sounds terribly pompous; I'm sorry (blame the jet lag!). I really don't like the idea of health visitors for a few 'targeted families' only, partly because of the potential stigma, but also because it simply doesn't work; people do not engage under such circumstances. We must argue to keep the universal service as a basis from which to reach out to people who need more support. The universal service is seriously under threat, and I welcome the fact that Polly Toynbee's article emphasised the need to retain it. What is interesting, is the assumption that this would be through Children's Centres, presumably because local authorities, not the NHS, have the responsibility for improving children's well-being now. I wonder if that is a 'back to the future' scenario, with local authorities responsible for community health services, so that PCTs can concentrate on commissioning hospital/illness care? best wishes Bidmead wrote: Dear all, Thought you might be interested in the article in the Guardian yesterday. I am wondering what this is about? 'A tangle of competing voices within government is now busily reinventing the wheel. Does Blair actually know that the Department for Education and Skills has already bought £7m worth of health visitors in pilot areas to identify and visit problem families every week for two years, and draw them into children's centres? Another 12 pilots start soon, testing different parenting programmes for success and cost-effectiveness' .Polly Toynbee guardian 5.9.06 See full article at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1864995,00.html Is this to do with the Respect Agenda and the Pathfinder pilots? I too worry about the 'social policing' role that health visitors might end up with. Best wishes, Quote
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Posted September 10, 2006 Dear Robyn I hope you have a wonderful day. Whatever Tony Blair might say (and God Knows he’s good with the rhetoric!), you go for it! I’d love to know how it goes and also for you to write an informal piece about how it all goes for Primhe’s Journal. VBW (Manning) www.primhe.org From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Robyn Pound Sent: 11 September 2006 08:31 Subject: Re: More Health Visitors?? So do I. Today is the first day of a Father's Arts Project when the most disadvantaged fathers who I know because they have young children are invited to come and explore different art forms. My job is getting them there and that is my first goal as they are all (eleven) at home in the day and hugely discouraged by life's stuff. The skill for me is keeping the child protection stuff separate so that it does not interfer with the possibilities to be gained from being together in a warm, safe, fun environment in ways that prison, family life and other contacts with hard to acess services create because of the particular goals that motivate them. The artist has a wonderful array of taster arts. Today its wire sculpture but I am looking forward to the stone carving and silk printing. I could look an idiot and wish I hadn't told you about this if no one turns up. Its very possible. My excitement is real and I've made a cake. Nuts eh? But if I feel hopeful and enthusiastic then there is a chance some of it will rub off on others. This is about getting people to feel better about themselves and to share it with others so together we can learn more about how to be in the world. I am learning from them. Goodness knows what will happen but I heard Tony Blair say that tackling social inclusion is about removing the constraints and fostering innovation. I've got to try it. Robyn Maureen Allan <maureen.allan7@...> wrote: I agree with you Margaret. ======================================== Message Received: Sep 10 2006, 09:55 AM From: " Margaret Buttigieg " Cc: Subject: Re: More Health Visitors?? Although I agree with and understand what you are saying and intellectually that would be my view - my concern is for the health visitors and school nurses being asked to act as social police. I have had some first hand experience of that this year in work I have been doing and when as a group of staff you are already disempowered and demoralised it is very hard to stand up and say - this is not our role. I am finding that the understanding of the work of health visitors and school nurses at strategic level is often very poor and it needs someone with authority to say clearly what their roles is and what they do and set up strategies to ensure their role is agreed and implemented. In terms of future work being out of children's centres - that is the clear message and I am also pretty certain in the conversations I have been having that we will be seeing a move of health visitors and school nurses back to the local authority and becoming clearly part of the Department for Education and Skills. Margaret Re: More Health Visitors?? Thanks for posting this link, ; just catching up with everything. I recognise the concerns about 'social policing' issues, but suppose I have a different take on them, and I think it is a great shame that the proposals are being portrayed in this media in this way. Shades of Jean /AIMS and the 'all health visitors are nuisances interfering with families' debates that we heard a few months (or was it years?) ago. For me, the risk of that a child may grow up to be involved in crime is as much a danger that child's future well-being as the risk that he or she may grow up to be overweight, or physically ill, or develop mental illness, or be unable to engage meaningfully with the educational system. I am not convinced that we can separate the bits out. Of course we want to avoid the behaviours towards children that we know are conducive to later involvement in crime: like inconsistent or unkind parenting, child abuse, neglect, social exclusion etc. Don't we? That doesn't mean we want to label parents, or children, as either criminals or potential criminals themselves. Instead, as I see it, health visitors are employed using tax payers money as a statement that families all need and deserve support; and that society as a whole cares enough about the conditions in which children grow up to ensure that they are able to develop their potential as fully participating, socially included and healthy citizens; not as socially excluded or under-achieving adults with physical, mental or emotional problems that could have been avoided. That sounds terribly pompous; I'm sorry (blame the jet lag!). I really don't like the idea of health visitors for a few 'targeted families' only, partly because of the potential stigma, but also because it simply doesn't work; people do not engage under such circumstances. We must argue to keep the universal service as a basis from which to reach out to people who need more support. The universal service is seriously under threat, and I welcome the fact that Polly Toynbee's article emphasised the need to retain it. What is interesting, is the assumption that this would be through Children's Centres, presumably because local authorities, not the NHS, have the responsibility for improving children's well-being now. I wonder if that is a 'back to the future' scenario, with local authorities responsible for community health services, so that PCTs can concentrate on commissioning hospital/illness care? best wishes Bidmead wrote: Dear all, Thought you might be interested in the article in the Guardian yesterday. I am wondering what this is about? 'A tangle of competing voices within government is now busily reinventing the wheel. Does Blair actually know that the Department for Education and Skills has already bought £7m worth of health visitors in pilot areas to identify and visit problem families every week for two years, and draw them into children's centres? Another 12 pilots start soon, testing different parenting programmes for success and cost-effectiveness' .Polly Toynbee guardian 5.9.06 See full article at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1864995,00.html Is this to do with the Respect Agenda and the Pathfinder pilots? I too worry about the 'social policing' role that health visitors might end up with. Best wishes, Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Posted September 10, 2006 Although I agree with and understand what you are saying and intellectually that would be my view - my concern is for the health visitors and school nurses being asked to act as social police. I have had some first hand experience of that this year in work I have been doing and when as a group of staff you are already disempowered and demoralised it is very hard to stand up and say - this is not our role. I am finding that the understanding of the work of health visitors and school nurses at strategic level is often very poor and it needs someone with authority to say clearly what their roles is and what they do and set up strategies to ensure their role is agreed and implemented. In terms of future work being out of children's centres - that is the clear message and I am also pretty certain in the conversations I have been having that we will be seeing a move of health visitors and school nurses back to the local authority and becoming clearly part of the Department for Education and Skills. Margaret Re: More Health Visitors?? Thanks for posting this link, ; just catching up with everything. I recognise the concerns about 'social policing' issues, but suppose I have a different take on them, and I think it is a great shame that the proposals are being portrayed in this media in this way. Shades of /AIMS and the 'all health visitors are nuisances interfering with families' debates that we heard a few months (or was it years?) ago. For me, the risk of that a child may grow up to be involved in crime is as much a danger that child's future well-being as the risk that he or she may grow up to be overweight, or physically ill, or develop mental illness, or be unable to engage meaningfully with the educational system. I am not convinced that we can separate the bits out. Of course we want to avoid the behaviours towards children that we know are conducive to later involvement in crime: like inconsistent or unkind parenting, child abuse, neglect, social exclusion etc. Don't we?That doesn't mean we want to label parents, or children, as either criminals or potential criminals themselves. Instead, as I see it, health visitors are employed using tax payers money as a statement that families all need and deserve support; and that society as a whole cares enough about the conditions in which children grow up to ensure that they are able to develop their potential as fully participating, socially included and healthy citizens; not as socially excluded or under-achieving adults with physical, mental or emotional problems that could have been avoided. That sounds terribly pompous; I'm sorry (blame the jet lag!). I really don't like the idea of health visitors for a few 'targeted families' only, partly because of the potential stigma, but also because it simply doesn't work; people do not engage under such circumstances. We must argue to keep the universal service as a basis from which to reach out to people who need more support. The universal service is seriously under threat, and I welcome the fact that Polly Toynbee's article emphasised the need to retain it. What is interesting, is the assumption that this would be through Children's Centres, presumably because local authorities, not the NHS, have the responsibility for improving children's well-being now. I wonder if that is a 'back to the future' scenario, with local authorities responsible for community health services, so that PCTs can concentrate on commissioning hospital/illness care? best wishes Bidmead wrote: Dear all,Thought you might be interested in the article in the Guardian yesterday.I am wondering what this is about?'A tangle of competing voices within government is now busily reinventingthe wheel. Does Blair actually know that the Department for Education andSkills has already bought £7m worth of health visitors in pilot areas toidentify and visit problem families every week for two years, and draw theminto children's centres? Another 12 pilots start soon, testing differentparenting programmes for success and cost-effectiveness' .Polly Toynbeeguardian 5.9.06See full article at:http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1864995,00.htmlIs this to do with the Respect Agenda and the Pathfinder pilots?I too worry about the 'social policing' role that health visitors might end up with.Best wishes, Quote
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Posted September 10, 2006 Margaret We need to distinguish between policing of individual families in situations where children are suffering because of neglect often as a result of acts of omission by parents or carers who are themselves limited in their sense of their childs complex needs for their own reasons. Health Visiting is about making judgments and indeed taking risks in the context of a long term relationship wth the family. In that situation we may have a relationship with the family as a whole but we are morally and ethically accountable to the child not government, ideology political/scientific or anything else. In my opinion a far greater threat to society from health visitors are ill thought out politically inspired or even worse the bright idea of some civil servant or DOH official mass activity such as the recent national BMI initiative. Public weighing of children with no followup. Health Promotion and the epideomologists have the potential to be more oppressive and damaging too individuals and families We must challange such activity if we are not happy will serve the public good. Health Visiting has always been about the individlual and his needs in society. We have a proud history of "going native" and identifying with our communities and articulating their concerns and solutions to the wider society. Only this summer i reminded my own director of nursing that for most of our history we were known as the mothers friend. We can stand with families expecially the most excluded as they work with this government to improve thier lives. We need to be less concerned with occupational and professional limits and more concerned with how we can stretch to help families. I know it is not popular to praise this government at the moment but this is the most determined political efforts on behalf of the most excluded i have seen in my 30 year career I think we should support it. ---- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Buttigieg Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: Re: More Health Visitors?? Although I agree with and understand what you are saying and intellectually that would be my view - my concern is for the health visitors and school nurses being asked to act as social police. I have had some first hand experience of that this year in work I have been doing and when as a group of staff you are already disempowered and demoralised it is very hard to stand up and say - this is not our role. I am finding that the understanding of the work of health visitors and school nurses at strategic level is often very poor and it needs someone with authority to say clearly what their roles is and what they do and set up strategies to ensure their role is agreed and implemented. In terms of future work being out of children's centres - that is the clear message and I am also pretty certain in the conversations I have been having that we will be seeing a move of health visitors and school nurses back to the local authority and becoming clearly part of the Department for Education and Skills. Margaret Re: More Health Visitors?? Thanks for posting this link, ; just catching up with everything. I recognise the concerns about 'social policing' issues, but suppose I have a different take on them, and I think it is a great shame that the proposals are being portrayed in this media in this way. Shades of /AIMS and the 'all health visitors are nuisances interfering with families' debates that we heard a few months (or was it years?) ago. For me, the risk of that a child may grow up to be involved in crime is as much a danger that child's future well-being as the risk that he or she may grow up to be overweight, or physically ill, or develop mental illness, or be unable to engage meaningfully with the educational system. I am not convinced that we can separate the bits out. Of course we want to avoid the behaviours towards children that we know are conducive to later involvement in crime: like inconsistent or unkind parenting, child abuse, neglect, social exclusion etc. Don't we?That doesn't mean we want to label parents, or children, as either criminals or potential criminals themselves. Instead, as I see it, health visitors are employed using tax payers money as a statement that families all need and deserve support; and that society as a whole cares enough about the conditions in which children grow up to ensure that they are able to develop their potential as fully participating, socially included and healthy citizens; not as socially excluded or under-achieving adults with physical, mental or emotional problems that could have been avoided. That sounds terribly pompous; I'm sorry (blame the jet lag!). I really don't like the idea of health visitors for a few 'targeted families' only, partly because of the potential stigma, but also because it simply doesn't work; people do not engage under such circumstances. We must argue to keep the universal service as a basis from which to reach out to people who need more support. The universal service is seriously under threat, and I welcome the fact that Polly Toynbee's article emphasised the need to retain it. What is interesting, is the assumption that this would be through Children's Centres, presumably because local authorities, not the NHS, have the responsibility for improving children's well-being now. I wonder if that is a 'back to the future' scenario, with local authorities responsible for community health services, so that PCTs can concentrate on commissioning hospital/illness care? best wishes Bidmead wrote: Dear all,Thought you might be interested in the article in the Guardian yesterday.I am wondering what this is about?'A tangle of competing voices within government is now busily reinventingthe wheel. Does Blair actually know that the Department for Education andSkills has already bought £7m worth of health visitors in pilot areas toidentify and visit problem families every week for two years, and draw theminto children's centres? Another 12 pilots start soon, testing differentparenting programmes for success and cost-effectiveness' .Polly Toynbeeguardian 5.9.06See full article at:http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1864995,00.htmlIs this to do with the Respect Agenda and the Pathfinder pilots?I too worry about the 'social policing' role that health visitors might end up with.Best wishes, Quote
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Posted September 10, 2006 I agree with you Margaret. ========================================Message Received: Sep 10 2006, 09:55 AMFrom: "Margaret Buttigieg" Cc: Subject: Re: More Health Visitors?? Although I agree with and understand what you are saying and intellectually that would be my view - my concern is for the health visitors and school nurses being asked to act as social police. I have had some first hand experience of that this year in work I have been doing and when as a group of staff you are already disempowered and demoralised it is very hard to stand up and say - this is not our role. I am finding that the understanding of the work of health visitors and school nurses at strategic level is often very poor and it needs someone with authority to say clearly what their roles is and what they do and set up strategies to ensure their role is agreed and implemented. In terms of future work being out of children's centres - that is the clear message and I am also pretty certain in the conversations I have been having that we will be seeing a move of health visitors and school nurses back to the local authority and becoming clearly part of the Department for Education and Skills. Margaret Re: More Health Visitors?? Thanks for posting this link, ; just catching up with everything. I recognise the concerns about 'social policing' issues, but suppose I have a different take on them, and I think it is a great shame that the proposals are being portrayed in this media in this way. Shades of /AIMS and the 'all health visitors are nuisances interfering with families' debates that we heard a few months (or was it years?) ago. For me, the risk of that a child may grow up to be involved in crime is as much a danger that child's future well-being as the risk that he or she may grow up to be overweight, or physically ill, or develop mental illness, or be unable to engage meaningfully with the educational system. I am not convinced that we can separate the bits out. Of course we want to avoid the behaviours towards children that we know are conducive to later involvement in crime: like inconsistent or unkind parenting, child abuse, neglect, social exclusion etc. Don't we?That doesn't mean we want to label parents, or children, as either criminals or potential criminals themselves. Instead, as I see it, health visitors are employed using tax payers money as a statement that families all need and deserve support; and that society as a whole cares enough about the conditions in which children grow up to ensure that they are able to develop their potential as fully participating, socially included and healthy citizens; not as socially excluded or under-achieving adults with physical, mental or emotional problems that could have been avoided. That sounds terribly pompous; I'm sorry (blame the jet lag!). I really don't like the idea of health visitors for a few 'targeted families' only, partly because of the potential stigma, but also because it simply doesn't work; people do not engage under such circumstances. We must argue to keep the universal service as a basis from which to reach out to people who need more support. The universal service is seriously under threat, and I welcome the fact that Polly Toynbee's article emphasised the need to retain it. What is interesting, is the assumption that this would be through Children's Centres, presumably because local authorities, not the NHS, have the responsibility for improving children's well-being now. I wonder if that is a 'back to the future' scenario, with local authorities responsible for community health services, so that PCTs can concentrate on commissioning hospital/illness care? best wishes Bidmead wrote: Dear all,Thought you might be interested in the article in the Guardian yesterday.I am wondering what this is about?'A tangle of competing voices within government is now busily reinventingthe wheel. Does Blair actually know that the Department for Education andSkills has already bought £7m worth of health visitors in pilot areas toidentify and visit problem families every week for two years, and draw theminto children's centres? Another 12 pilots start soon, testing differentparenting programmes for success and cost-effectiveness' .Polly Toynbeeguardian 5.9.06See full article at:http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1864995,00.htmlIs this to do with the Respect Agenda and the Pathfinder pilots?I too worry about the 'social policing' role that health visitors might end up with.Best wishes, Quote
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Posted September 11, 2006 So do I.Today is the first day of a Father's Arts Project when the most disadvantaged fathers who I know because they have young children are invited to come and explore different art forms. My job is getting them there and that is my first goal as they are all (eleven) at home in the day and hugely discouraged by life's stuff. The skill for me is keeping the child protection stuff separate so that it does not interfer with the possibilities to be gained from being together in a warm, safe, fun environment in ways that prison, family life and other contacts with hard to acess services create because of the particular goals that motivate them. The artist has a wonderful array of taster arts. Today its wire sculpture but I am looking forward to the stone carving and silk printing. I could look an idiot and wish I hadn't told you about this if no one turns up. Its very possible. My excitement is real and I've made a cake. Nuts eh? But if I feel hopeful and enthusiastic then there is a chance some of it will rub off on others. This is about getting people to feel better about themselves and to share it with others so together we can learn more about how to be in the world. I am learning from them. Goodness knows what will happen but I heard Tony Blair say that tackling social inclusion is about removing the constraints and fostering innovation. I've got to try it. RobynMaureen Allan <maureen.allan7@...> wrote: I agree with you Margaret. ========================================Message Received: Sep 10 2006, 09:55 AMFrom: "Margaret Buttigieg" Cc: Subject: Re: More Health Visitors?? Although I agree with and understand what you are saying and intellectually that would be my view - my concern is for the health visitors and school nurses being asked to act as social police. I have had some first hand experience of that this year in work I have been doing and when as a group of staff you are already disempowered and demoralised it is very hard to stand up and say - this is not our role. I am finding that the understanding of the work of health visitors and school nurses at strategic level is often very poor and it needs someone with authority to say clearly what their roles is and what they do and set up strategies to ensure their role is agreed and implemented. In terms of future work being out of children's centres - that is the clear message and I am also pretty certain in the conversations I have been having that we will be seeing a move of health visitors and school nurses back to the local authority and becoming clearly part of the Department for Education and Skills. Margaret Re: More Health Visitors?? Thanks for posting this link, ; just catching up with everything. I recognise the concerns about 'social policing' issues, but suppose I have a different take on them, and I think it is a great shame that the proposals are being portrayed in this media in this way. Shades of Jean /AIMS and the 'all health visitors are nuisances interfering with families' debates that we heard a few months (or was it years?) ago. For me, the risk of that a child may grow up to be involved in crime is as much a danger that child's future well-being as the risk that he or she may grow up to be overweight, or physically ill, or develop mental illness, or be unable to engage meaningfully with the educational system. I am not convinced that we can separate the bits out. Of course we want to avoid the behaviours towards children that we know are conducive to later involvement in crime: like inconsistent or unkind parenting, child abuse, neglect, social exclusion etc. Don't we?That doesn't mean we want to label parents, or children, as either criminals or potential criminals themselves. Instead, as I see it, health visitors are employed using tax payers money as a statement that families all need and deserve support; and that society as a whole cares enough about the conditions in which children grow up to ensure that they are able to develop their potential as fully participating, socially included and healthy citizens; not as socially excluded or under-achieving adults with physical, mental or emotional problems that could have been avoided. That sounds terribly pompous; I'm sorry (blame the jet lag!). I really don't like the idea of health visitors for a few 'targeted families' only, partly because of the potential stigma, but also because it simply doesn't work; people do not engage under such circumstances. We must argue to keep the universal service as a basis from which to reach out to people who need more support. The universal service is seriously under threat, and I welcome the fact that Polly Toynbee's article emphasised the need to retain it. What is interesting, is the assumption that this would be through Children's Centres, presumably because local authorities, not the NHS, have the responsibility for improving children's well-being now. I wonder if that is a 'back to the future' scenario, with local authorities responsible for community health services, so that PCTs can concentrate on commissioning hospital/illness care? best wishes Bidmead wrote: Dear all,Thought you might be interested in the article in the Guardian yesterday.I am wondering what this is about?'A tangle of competing voices within government is now busily reinventingthe wheel. Does Blair actually know that the Department for Education andSkills has already bought £7m worth of health visitors in pilot areas toidentify and visit problem families every week for two years, and draw theminto children's centres? Another 12 pilots start soon, testing differentparenting programmes for success and cost-effectiveness' .Polly Toynbeeguardian 5.9.06See full article at:http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1864995,00.htmlIs this to do with the Respect Agenda and the Pathfinder pilots?I too worry about the 'social policing' role that health visitors might end up with.Best wishes, Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote
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