Re: Deaths from Packaged Pre Washed Lettuce

[Guest guest]

Do you know where you found or heard of this information? This is what my

Grandad just died of...

Chris...

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

A little off topic but important if you didn't hear. Dole was brand

but could happen to any brand, a couple of deaths from e-coli in

lettuce. Said e-coli can be on lettuce and since it isn't cooked, can

infect. E-coli can get there from fertilizer if natural is used or

animal excrement (sorry) in farm location. Washing lettuce in huge

batches spreads it around where it might be localized on a particular

head in other cases. Said please rewash lettuce before eating but in

some cases that won't be enough, so there is just some uncertainty

there. I'm convinced it might be good to go back to heads since you

can pull off the outer leaves and inside was pretty protected.

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

You can find info. about it at

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Barb

--- Tazin Round <unitedstatesvet@...> wrote:

> Do you know where you found or heard of this

> information? This is what my Grandad just died of...

> Chris...

>

> barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> A little off topic but important if you didn't

> hear. Dole was brand

> but could happen to any brand, a couple of deaths

> from e-coli in

> lettuce. Said e-coli can be on lettuce and since it

> isn't cooked, can

> infect. E-coli can get there from fertilizer if

> natural is used or

> animal excrement (sorry) in farm location. Washing

> lettuce in huge

> batches spreads it around where it might be

> localized on a particular

> head in other cases. Said please rewash lettuce

> before eating but in

> some cases that won't be enough, so there is just

> some uncertainty

> there. I'm convinced it might be good to go back to

> heads since you

> can pull off the outer leaves and inside was pretty

> protected.

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I/we know. When I first posted it, I said it was a off topic but

just wanted to spread word on it since many people here are already

sick.

>

> the dole lettuce illnesses were caused by E-COLI......not mold.

> v.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bill for this information. Actually part of Dateline or

20/20 story did mention an example where there was contaminated

water on property, veggies showed E-coli INSIDE the plant system, as

it had drawn the E-coli up into the vegetable along with the water.

It shows how important what plant is fed and how pesticides and

other undesireables are undoubedly pulled right up into veggie or

fruit where no matter how much we wash them we are still eating

pesticides. An occasional bug is less dangerous.

One point to clarify: are you saying that soaking veggies in this

matter would get rid of E-coli INSIDE of lettuce??

I eat alot of green veggies, since I juice greens daily, so I am

very concerned. I poured some hydrogen peroxide into water that I

was washing some kale with the other day but I didn't do any exact

measuring and am sure I added a lot more than you stated was

recommended. My kale juice came out frothy and since H202 can foam

I figured it was from that so I thought I might use the vitamine C

rinse instead. Juice had an off taste I didn't like too. I didn't

let them soak though.

The place where I got recommendation to wash in water with Vit C,

also mentioned the H202 could be used.

I wonder if 'soaking' in a water solution of citric acid would do

the same? It certainly sounds like it might taste better if there

is any taste alteration.

I don't agree with the use of DISTILLED water though as distilled

water has no minerals in it and I am quite sure that 'soaking'

veggies in distilled water would draw minerals out of the veggies

and into the water and would go down the drain. Since veggies are

one of our primary sources of minerals, I myself would not use

reverse osmosis or distilled water to soak veggies. If fruit has

tough skin on them like apples, may be okay. Water without minerals

I've read is like a powerful magnet for minerals and other

substances to draw to into it. If you run reverse osmosis water

through metal pipes as we mentioned here once before it will

dissolve the pipe, and so reverse osmosis systems installed in homes

use special plastic pipes so that water does not go through any

metal objects. Culligan installation man told me that they have to

install plastic pipes for reverse osmosis water to go through since

it will dissolve regular household metal pipes. Then he quickly

added, but it won't hurt your insides. Yea, right - It will

dissolve pipes in my home but my body will be fine!

I only buy it for coffee maker or iron or similar. I figure a small

amount of chelating with distilled water won't hurt me, as I only

drink a cup or half a cup a day. I have read you can drink reverse

osmosis or distilled water for short period to chelate metals from

liver but it is only recommended for short period. I don't know how

long, maybe a day.

I don't know what an iron has in it to hold water, but they

recommend you use distilled but must be designed for that.

--- In , Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@...>

wrote:

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> The following works well for 'more civilized' food sources:

>

[Guest guest]

Okay apple cider vinegar sounds like it would work well. I used white

vinegar to re-crisp some lettuce once and it worked well. Apple cider

vinegar would probably crisp soft veggies also and have a better

flavor.

--- In , Bill Kingsbury <b.b.bb@...>

wrote:

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> You could also use apple cider vinegar (acetic acid).

>