RE: I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

[Guest guest]

If I had $50

[Guest guest]

What about the " real chicken " ? Girl, I am still cracking up over here when

you said that!!

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tip. We eat out every day, and I get so lazy that I don't

like to cook. But, you are right though.

-Kay

[Guest guest]

Ok. thats cool. Also, I downloaded an article on the Files section of the

group about FlaxSeed. Is it true that it helps you lose weight and speed up

your metabolism?

[Guest guest]

That sounds cool.

[Guest guest]

See...I love yogurt...of all kinds, but I HATE cottage cheese. How in the

world can people eat that?

[Guest guest]

Dang Maggie!!! You are off the chain. I have a 2 year old and I have a

habit of going to Mcs every single day. It is expensive. My gym

membership is $39.99+ tax a month. I attend LA Fitness GYM in Winter

Park/Casselberry. Plus they have a kids club in there and I can take my son in

there. Where

do you go work out at?

-Kay

[Guest guest]

Dang Maggie!!! You are off the chain. I have a 2 year old and I have a

habit of going to Mcs every single day. It is expensive. My gym

membership is $39.99+ tax a month. I attend LA Fitness GYM in Winter

Park/Casselberry. Plus they have a kids club in there and I can take my son in

there. Where

do you go work out at?

-Kay

[Guest guest]

Maggie...you are a TRIP! How long have you been on BFL?

In a message dated 8/19/2004 4:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

maggiewang@... writes:

LOL...

I must be a bad person, too, because I also relish that holier than

thou feeling when I see idiot males (women don't do this nearly as

much) trying to heave dumbbells that are too heavy for them up with

the lame arched back/hip thrust movement for a standing bicep curl

while I curl my weights in the proper, controlled form. I love seeing

people walk out of the gym, get in their cars, and then drive right up

to the drive-thru window of the 's next door, too! Hah!

Maggie

Re: Re: I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

You weren't kidding! Thats some serious number crunching.

Hey, whatever motivation works. Personally, I like that smug sense of

moral superiority I get when I see other people engaging in unhealthy

eating or doing lame things at the gym. That probably makes me a bad

person, but it also helps keep me on track. ;-)

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info Maggie. I wanted to see that Supersize me movie. They

had it playing at the Enzian. I like LA Fitness, though. I think I will

keep the membership, but lay low on the fast food b/c I know it's not good for

my son either. My husband eats out a LOT. I need to get some tupperware

anyway. I can't find any lids to save my life.

-Kay

In a message dated 8/19/2004 4:38:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

maggiewang@... writes:

Kay,

I am a member of the Gold's Gym in the Dr. /SW Orlando area.

It's on Turkey Lake Road and Sand Lake Road. They have a kiddie gym

room, too, and video monitors everywhere that get feeds from the

kiddie room, so you can keep an eye on your children while you work

out. They also have a separate second floor that is ladies only with

weights in 2.5 lb increments instead of 5 lb increments only. I had

to pay a pretty stiff initiation fee when I joined, but I am locked in

at $29.95/month plus tax for life.

There's a Gold's in Altamonte Springs and maybe Oviedo, too, if you

are thinking about switching.

If I were you, I'd rethink that daily visit to Mcdonald's. Aside from

the cost (I'm guessing $3-$10 a trip for you and your son,

right...which comes to $90-$300 a MONTH), the food there is terrible

for you. I saw the documentary Supersize Me in May, and I tell you, I

have not craved Mickey D's or ANY fast food burgers since. The

filmmaker ate nothing but Mcdonald's food, three meals a day for 30

days. By the end of his experiment, his cholesterol was through the

roof, he was showing signs of kidney failure and he had gained

TWENTY-FIVE POUNDS in one MONTH! They also figure out that only 5

items on the menu didn't contain sugar. He'd consumed the equivalent

of either 5 or 10 (sorry...can't remember the exact number) 5lb bags

of sugar in that one month. It was scary...as was the size of the

Texas Mickey D employees they filmed.

Cut out the Mc's and keep the gym! It doesn't take THAT much

time or effort to buy healthy foods and cook in bulk. Most recipes

can be modified to suit BFL, too. I've done it with many Chinese

dishes. My kitchen is a tupperware jungle, too.

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

In a message dated 8/19/2004 4:58:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

lblantin@... writes:

Kay, I don't post much to this list but I read all of the posts. I'm an

obese woman and have been for about the last 14 years. I have all of the

same issues you do so I can relate to what you are saying. I'm also a

single mom which can sometimes make things more of a struggle. It's time

for a little tough love girlfriend. Please don't get mad at me...here

goes...

In almost every post you've made, you've put up stumbling blocks for

yourself. You don't like to cook, you eat out every day, you don't have

any money, the gym in your complex is too crowded, you don't like cottage

cheese, you want to take supplements for a quick fix, you're an emotional

eater, yada, yada, yada.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

In Burn the fat, feed the muscle, and excellent ebook by the way, Tom Venuto

talks about how we program out sub-concious mind to fail. We play the same

negetive tape in our head over and over again. If you don't think you can

succeed at changing your life, you will never change your life. If you

can't convince yourself that YOU are worth the effort to make positive

changes, then let's talk about how positive changes would affect your son.

I can say this because I too went to Mcs A LOT when my son was little.

I now have a 13 year old son who only eats chicken fingers and hamburgers

when we go out to eat. I am trying to undo the damage now but boy is it

hard when you wait as long as I did. Teach your son now about good

nutrition and save yourself the heartache of trying to change his habits

when he's older. I can't imagine how much money you spend on eating out but

I'm sure it's a lot. I used to do that too and cried poor all the time. I

always had money to go out to eat though! Don't you want to teach your son

the benefits of being healthy and fit? Don't you want to be able to play

with him and participate in activities with him? I could go on and on but I

won't. You KNOW what you need to do. You just need to DO IT. Work on

getting to the bottom of why you eat for emotion reasons. Change that

negative tape in your head that say's you aren't worthy. You are worthy and

your son deserves a happy, healthy mommy. Feel free to email me if you want

to discuss this further lblantin@.... I do understand how you feel.

I've been there.

Lori

aka Swivel Queen Wannabe

[Guest guest]

I think it's on her webite.

In a message dated 8/19/2004 5:25:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

groups@... writes:

OMG... talking about " real chicken " has me thinking about those creatures in

the book 's been reading. What are they again?

" Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in

a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly

used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow - what a Ride!' "

~~ Sage (entrepreneur and speaker)

Re: [body for Life Women's Club] I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

What about the " real chicken " ? Girl, I am still cracking up over here when

you said that!!

[Guest guest]

Looks like I will be hitting the gym this weekend, and NO Mcs. I am

gonna read this BFL book thoroughly...like I am suppose to.

_________________________________________________________________________

In a message dated 8/19/2004 5:29:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

groups@... writes:

The only reason to use supplements during your first challenge is if you've

entered the official BFL Challenge, because then you're required to use at

least one EAS supplement.

" Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in

a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly

used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow - what a Ride!' "

~~ Sage (entrepreneur and speaker)

[body for Life Women's Club] Re: I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

I wish someone had told me all these supplements weren't necessary

when I first started BFL. So many people on bfl give the impression

that fat burners, and tons of other supplements are a must to get the

results you want. I've found that when I eat correctly I have saved

money on my food bill, versus when I used to buy a lot of junk food

and eat at various fast food restaurants. My 2nd month on BFL I saw a

woman checking out at Walmart. She had tons of EAS supplements,

protein bars, ect. When she checked out her bill came to $175.00. We

chatted a little, and she explained that she spends at least $100

every month on supplements AT WALMART. That is ridiculous, especially

since she probably won't reach her goal any faster than someone not

using all that stuff. I'm sure she'll eventually learn like many of

us have. I definitely don't encourage ANYONE to use supplements

during their first challenge because you'll never know if you needed

anything or not. If someone MUST purchase something, I agree with

seattle that a quality protein mix is a great idea. Maybe even a

multivitamin or flaxseed oil, but some women have found they don't

even need that when eating correctly. Netria

>

> > Can anyone suggest to me how I can buy inexpensive supplements,

etc

> > on an

> > extremely low budget? I am also a member of a gym, but I may

have to

> > freeze my

> > membership b/c it's too expensive right now since I am working

temp.

> >

> > We have a small gym here in our complex, but its always crowded.

I

> > think I

> > may have to start walking again. I know that when I was walking

a

> > lot...I

> > lost a LOT of weight.

> >

> >

> > -Kay

[Guest guest]

Okay, I am a total penny-pinching, budget-making, number-crunching

tightwad, so here's my take on doing BFL on a budget.

Before BFL:

My grocery budget before I started BFL was $75 a MONTH. (I'm single,

no kids, cook most of my meals, and live with just two kitties. Their

food budget is $12/month :: grins : I allotted only $25 per month

for dining out, mostly for a once a week $5.50 lunch special at my

favorite Chinese restaurant that included an entree, rice, and soup.

I would split this into three meals--half entree/rice, half

entree/rice, and soup. My base groceries included meats (usually

chicken), fresh and frozen veggies, cereal, oatmeal, pasta and sauce,

rice, eggs, and nonfat dry milk all bought in bulk and on sale if

possible. I would also splurge on 3 boxes of Luna bars each month for

around $15 each from Drugstore.com, for a total of around $150 each

month on food. Divided by 30 days, that comes out to around $5/day.

(Told you I was a tightwad.) I was already eating semi-BFL style

because I'd read the book but wasn't doing the workouts--reasonable

portions five times a day = 3 whole food meals + 2 Luna bars a day.

On BFL:

I admit that in the first month of BFL, my grocery bill skyrocketed

because I was basically restocking my kitchen with a new set of

healthy staples. Lots of spices that most people already have but are

not part of an Asian kitchen, sugar-free sweeteners and syrups, 5lb

containers of protein powder, two boxes of Balance bars (totally

gross...never again) and even a carton of chocolate soy protein shake.

And I was eating a lot more often...so I was pretty shocked at how

much I was spending. Now that the initial stocking of staples is

done, though, here's my new monthly food budget:

$22.50 / month - One 5 lb container of Myopro protein powder (77

servings, and I use it in about two meals a day--muffin and shake--so

one container will last about a month)

$20-$25 / week on regular groceries like meat, veggies, fruits,

cheese, eggs, yoghurt, and cottage cheese

$0-$15 / month on dining out

=====================

$162.50 / month total or $5.42/ day

So I am paying a bit more to be on BFL than I was before because I was

pretty frugal to start with and rarely ate out, but not THAT much

more.

I am also paying $29.95/month for my membership at Gold's, but in

theory I could get away with using my apartment complex fitness room

for cardio (bikes, treadmills, and elliptical) and some weight

workouts on their cable machines and my weight bench set

(www.danskinfitness.com, $87 for an incline/decline bench, barbell, 2

dumbbells, eight 1 lb weight plates, four 3 lb weight plates, and two

5 lb weight plates). I like the atmosphere at a real gym though,

because they also have a wider range of weights than I do at home,

mirrors for checking form, and lots of classes for the times when I

want to mix things up a bit. I am also a competitive wench and enjoy

running really fast on a treadmill in front of the slow walkers. .

My total cost for BFL per month:

$162.50 Food

$ 29.95 Gym

============

$192.45 Total / 30 days = $6.42/ day

I don't think this is too unreasonable or expensive, considering that

many people can spend $200/ month on just dining out!

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Kay,

I am a member of the Gold's Gym in the Dr. /SW Orlando area.

It's on Turkey Lake Road and Sand Lake Road. They have a kiddie gym

room, too, and video monitors everywhere that get feeds from the

kiddie room, so you can keep an eye on your children while you work

out. They also have a separate second floor that is ladies only with

weights in 2.5 lb increments instead of 5 lb increments only. I had

to pay a pretty stiff initiation fee when I joined, but I am locked in

at $29.95/month plus tax for life.

There's a Gold's in Altamonte Springs and maybe Oviedo, too, if you

are thinking about switching.

If I were you, I'd rethink that daily visit to Mcdonald's. Aside from

the cost (I'm guessing $3-$10 a trip for you and your son,

right...which comes to $90-$300 a MONTH), the food there is terrible

for you. I saw the documentary Supersize Me in May, and I tell you, I

have not craved Mickey D's or ANY fast food burgers since. The

filmmaker ate nothing but Mcdonald's food, three meals a day for 30

days. By the end of his experiment, his cholesterol was through the

roof, he was showing signs of kidney failure and he had gained

TWENTY-FIVE POUNDS in one MONTH! They also figure out that only 5

items on the menu didn't contain sugar. He'd consumed the equivalent

of either 5 or 10 (sorry...can't remember the exact number) 5lb bags

of sugar in that one month. It was scary...as was the size of the

Texas Mickey D employees they filmed.

Cut out the Mc's and keep the gym! It doesn't take THAT much

time or effort to buy healthy foods and cook in bulk. Most recipes

can be modified to suit BFL, too. I've done it with many Chinese

dishes. My kitchen is a tupperware jungle, too.

Maggie

[Guest guest]

LOL...

I must be a bad person, too, because I also relish that holier than

thou feeling when I see idiot males (women don't do this nearly as

much) trying to heave dumbbells that are too heavy for them up with

the lame arched back/hip thrust movement for a standing bicep curl

while I curl my weights in the proper, controlled form. I love seeing

people walk out of the gym, get in their cars, and then drive right up

to the drive-thru window of the 's next door, too! Hah!

Maggie

Re: Re: I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

You weren't kidding! Thats some serious number crunching.

Hey, whatever motivation works. Personally, I like that smug sense of

moral superiority I get when I see other people engaging in unhealthy

eating or doing lame things at the gym. That probably makes me a bad

person, but it also helps keep me on track. ;-)

[Guest guest]

Kay, I don't post much to this list but I read all of the posts. I'm an

obese woman and have been for about the last 14 years. I have all of the

same issues you do so I can relate to what you are saying. I'm also a

single mom which can sometimes make things more of a struggle. It's time

for a little tough love girlfriend. Please don't get mad at me...here

goes...

In almost every post you've made, you've put up stumbling blocks for

yourself. You don't like to cook, you eat out every day, you don't have

any money, the gym in your complex is too crowded, you don't like cottage

cheese, you want to take supplements for a quick fix, you're an emotional

eater, yada, yada, yada.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

In Burn the fat, feed the muscle, and excellent ebook by the way, Tom Venuto

talks about how we program out sub-concious mind to fail. We play the same

negetive tape in our head over and over again. If you don't think you can

succeed at changing your life, you will never change your life. If you

can't convince yourself that YOU are worth the effort to make positive

changes, then let's talk about how positive changes would affect your son.

I can say this because I too went to Mcs A LOT when my son was little.

I now have a 13 year old son who only eats chicken fingers and hamburgers

when we go out to eat. I am trying to undo the damage now but boy is it

hard when you wait as long as I did. Teach your son now about good

nutrition and save yourself the heartache of trying to change his habits

when he's older. I can't imagine how much money you spend on eating out but

I'm sure it's a lot. I used to do that too and cried poor all the time. I

always had money to go out to eat though! Don't you want to teach your son

the benefits of being healthy and fit? Don't you want to be able to play

with him and participate in activities with him? I could go on and on but I

won't. You KNOW what you need to do. You just need to DO IT. Work on

getting to the bottom of why you eat for emotion reasons. Change that

negative tape in your head that say's you aren't worthy. You are worthy and

your son deserves a happy, healthy mommy. Feel free to email me if you want

to discuss this further lblantin@.... I do understand how you feel.

I've been there.

Lori

aka Swivel Queen Wannabe

[Guest guest]

OMG... talking about " real chicken " has me thinking about those creatures in

the book 's been reading. What are they again?

" Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in

a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly

used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow - what a Ride!' "

~~ Sage (entrepreneur and speaker)

Re: I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

What about the " real chicken " ? Girl, I am still cracking up over here when

you said that!!

[Guest guest]

<<Swivel Queen Wannabe, whatever that means.>>

Sorry about that! I forgot that you guys probably don't have a clue what

that means. My son and I belong to a waterski show team, the Sarasota

Ski-A-Rees. He is fabulous at it. I skied for the first time in over 30

years last month. It felt incredible. My goal is to be thin enough and

good enough to ski in our winter shows which start in February. There is a

special ski, called a swivel ski, that allows you to spin all the way

around. It is very, very difficult but that is my goal...that's where the

Swivel Queen Wannabe comes from

Lori

[Guest guest]

The only reason to use supplements during your first challenge is if you've

entered the official BFL Challenge, because then you're required to use at

least one EAS supplement.

" Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in

a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly

used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow - what a Ride!' "

~~ Sage (entrepreneur and speaker)

Re: I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

I wish someone had told me all these supplements weren't necessary

when I first started BFL. So many people on bfl give the impression

that fat burners, and tons of other supplements are a must to get the

results you want. I've found that when I eat correctly I have saved

money on my food bill, versus when I used to buy a lot of junk food

and eat at various fast food restaurants. My 2nd month on BFL I saw a

woman checking out at Walmart. She had tons of EAS supplements,

protein bars, ect. When she checked out her bill came to $175.00. We

chatted a little, and she explained that she spends at least $100

every month on supplements AT WALMART. That is ridiculous, especially

since she probably won't reach her goal any faster than someone not

using all that stuff. I'm sure she'll eventually learn like many of

us have. I definitely don't encourage ANYONE to use supplements

during their first challenge because you'll never know if you needed

anything or not. If someone MUST purchase something, I agree with

seattle that a quality protein mix is a great idea. Maybe even a

multivitamin or flaxseed oil, but some women have found they don't

even need that when eating correctly. Netria

>

> > Can anyone suggest to me how I can buy inexpensive supplements,

etc

> > on an

> > extremely low budget? I am also a member of a gym, but I may

have to

> > freeze my

> > membership b/c it's too expensive right now since I am working

temp.

> >

> > We have a small gym here in our complex, but its always crowded.

I

> > think I

> > may have to start walking again. I know that when I was walking

a

> > lot...I

> > lost a LOT of weight.

> >

> >

> > -Kay

[Guest guest]

Wow. I feel really lucky, following this thread... I paid $2500 twenty years

ago to join Scandinavian, which was taken over by Bally's. My husband and I

just rejoined for $198 for the first year, and $9/month each after the first

year... and added our son on for another $199 for the first year, then

$12/month after the first year. That's with all the privileges my original

membership had... including 2 hours/day of free babysitting! (But there

aren't any vid. Monitors like at Gold's!)

I do love that they have the Jacuzzi, steam room, sauna, and Olympic-size

swimming pool... although here in Florida I like to swim in the ocean from

May-October... when the water's warmer.

If I had not made that investment 20 years ago, I could probably not afford

to join a gym at all!

" Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in

a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly

used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow - what a Ride!' "

~~ Sage (entrepreneur and speaker)

Re: Re: I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

--- Maggie Wang <maggiewang@...> wrote:

> I had

> to pay a pretty stiff initiation fee when I joined, but I am locked

> in

> at $29.95/month plus tax for life.

Just for comparative purposes, I pay $40/month for me and hubby to go

to Gold's in Seattle. There was a new-member promo (there almost always

is) where we basically paid nothing to join, and I'm getting the

corporate rate negotiated by my employer. I'm paying $25/month for me

(employee rate) and $15/month for him (employee's spouse rate). I

believe we can go to any of three or four Gold's in the Seattle area,

but I need to check on that. They made some changes since we joined. I

might only have access to the one nearest our house.

It has a kiddie room, but no monitors. There's no women's area, but the

dumbbells go up in 2.5-lb. increments from 3 lbs. up through 40 lbs.,

and then in 5-lb. increments from 40 to over 100 lbs. Not sure how high

up the DBs go. I'll have to note that next time I'm there. They may go

up to 135 lbs.

[Guest guest]

I just remembered. They're " chickie nobs "

Maybe fiction is not too far removed from fact?

The only reason we say they don't exist is that we've never actually seen

one...

" Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in

a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, thoroughly

used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'Wow - what a Ride!' "

~~ Sage (entrepreneur and speaker)

Re: I AM ON A TIGHT BUDGET

>

> What about the " real chicken " ? Girl, I am still cracking up over

> here when

>

> you said that!!

[Guest guest]

Umm..ok

In a message dated 8/19/2004 11:51:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

belmat@... writes:

> > If I had $50

Please don't take this the wrong way Kay, but if you have

money for McD's then I can't see how you can't have money for

protein powder.

Here is Australia you can buy protein powder (whey) from the

health store for around $5.00-10.00. Not sure how much it

would be in the USA, but I'm thinking it would be cheaper.

Bel

[Guest guest]

There is a

special ski, called a swivel ski, that allows you to spin all the way

around. It is very, very difficult but that is my goal...that's

where the

Swivel Queen Wannabe comes from

Lori

Woot WOOT Swivel Queen Wannabe ! You go girl! That sounds like a

great goal:) I went bike riding with my son a month ago, for the

1st time in many many years. he is 23. I had some trouble keeping

up, but he was patient and it was great fun:)

Anjil

[Guest guest]

You're probably right. I will try to give the stuff another chance. )

I mix cottage cheese with yoghurt all the time. I also add it to

a jacket potato/mashed potato or pumpkin and it tastes just like

sour cream.

I use to 'think' that I hated it but it was more the look of it. If

you can get past the lumps then it really does not taste too bad.

Cottage cheese is going to be my savour I think.

Bel

---- Original message ----

>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:53:29 EDT

>From: KayC374@...

>Subject: Re: Re: I AM ON A

TIGHT BUDGET

>

>

> See...I love yogurt...of all kinds, but I HATE

> cottage cheese. How in the

> world can people eat that?

>

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> removed]

>

>