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It's great that you discovered the cause.

I have sampled hundreds of AC units, both portable and central. Apart from

moldy carpets, they are about the largest source of bioaerosol (bacteria,

yeast and mold spores and their metabolic products) in a building.

This is really tragic because it is so unnecessary. With high quality

filtration, none of this contamination would take place. No AC (or furnace

for that matter) should ever be operated with a filter having a rating less

than MERV 6-8; for most of you, the filter should have a MERV rating of 11.

This is true for anything that moves air and condenses water from the air,

including dehumidifiers and window AC units.More than half of the portable

AC units I look at are full of mold. None even come with a filter rated at

more than MERV 3 and in order to install a proper filter, the material has

to be cut to size and taped onto the exterior of the AC. The only

dehumidifier with proper filtration is a Therma-Stor.

I would not be too worried about moldy items being brought into a home and

having the spores contaminate the AC. Chances are,due to the air flow, all

the spores are already on the coil to begin with. Also, the types of molds

that grow are rather limited: some species of Cladosporium, Penicillium and

Aspergillus are the most common; there are all kinds of yeast and bacteria

that grow though. Don't use corn starch body powder if you use AC because

all the granules in the air end up on the AC coil where they just feed the

yeast.

I got asthma from my portable AC. (There's a photo of the blower in " My

House is Killing Me!) The plastic was originally all white but when I looked

into it many years ago (after four summers of use) the entire blower and all

the supply insulation were black with Cladosporium mold.

Good filtration prevents biodegradable dust from ending up on the coil. With

no food for microbes, pans and drains don't clog.

C. May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

1522 Cambridge Street

Cambridge, MA 02139

617-354-1055

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:03:41 -0400

>From: Christ <antares41-41@...>

>Subject: Air conditioner makeing me sick.

>About a week or so ago they sprayed the asphalt in the park here

>with blacktop. It was pretty bad. I normally don't admit to

>chemicals making me sick. It was so bad that I decided to close up my

>trailer something I haven't done since I moved in a year ago because

>the mold in that monitor contaminated my living space and made me

>extremely sick. I was spooked so bad by this I thought that their

>would be no chance of closing the trailer and running a hepa filter

>without getting sick monitor or no monitor (I threw it out).

>To my surprise I felt really good when the ac WASN'T running at night

>(with windows shut and hepa running) but during the day when I ran

>the ac I got really sick. Than it hit me and I feel stupid for not

>thinking of this possibility. The evaporator coils in the unit collect

>condensate that drips into a pan that is drained outside. It never

>occurred to me that mold would grow in their with a quickness, just

>add spores. I made the definite connection to my ac running and me

>being sick, and not running it and me being better. Actually feeling

>good! Two highly contrasting situations.

>This is an instance where one might think that a little bit of mold

>brought in on a single book or clock radio or your shoes, or in your

>hair might be innocuous. And you would be wrong because it can

>migrate to your ac unit and propagate into a large colony in the drip

>pan and the constantly moist evaporator coils.

>I think I rectified this problem by buying one of those refillable

>spray bottles and modifying the sprayer with some quarter inch

>(outside diameter) hose I bought at home depot for a couple of bucks.

>The hose slid tightly over the straw on the sprayer that ordinarily

>goes into the bottle. I threw out the bottle and got a milk jug to

>supply the sprayer. I filled the milk jug with simple green. I stuck

>the hose into the milk jug and I sprayed down the evaporator coils

in the ac unit with simple green waited five minutes, bumped the fan

to draw the soap though the coils. Than sprayed the coils again with

simple green. I did this about three times to cut though any dirt or

mold build up on the coils (couldn't really see any but obviously it's

there in the drip pan and/or on the coils) (air condition repairmen

have a special detergent for doing this.) After this I rinsed the

coils than I mixed up a mild bleach solution and sprayed it down

(evaporator coils) a couple of times. (If I had ammonia I would have

used this but was in a hurry.)

It is to soon to tell but I think it helped markedly. I just wanted

to warn others in the group that although a book or some papers that

came out of a contaminated building might NOT make you react, the

spores could migrate to other places in your house where conditions

are hospitable (like ac unit or a leak, or refrigerator drip tray,

or the bathroom etc.) and start a colony that could really be

detrimental to your health.

Anyone can do this maintenance on their own ac unit their selves and I

would encourage it. (I don't recommend bleach or simple green or

ammonia, they might be ok I really don't know what is ok to use. I

just needed results right away. I am sure you could call an ac supply

house and they could point you in the right direction I might have

damaged my coils with the bleach because it is corrosive. That's why

I made the solution relatively weak ) I just wanted to get rid of the

mold as fast as possible.

Most air conditioners having set all winter have had ample time to

grow a colony in the drying coils and pan. Now would be a good time

to service them as described above.

Another problem this will solve is the drains that empty the drip pans

often get algae in them and they plug up. By spraying an

antibacterial on your coils it will collect in the pan and run down

the drain you are inadvertently killing the algae in the drain thus

preventing the disaster of the pan overflowing and saturating your

drywall with water.

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I have a very old furnace that won't take a tight filter. Furnace

people said I couldn't put a tight filter on it as it would not get

enough air flow for motor, but I solved problem this way: There are

two cold air returns in house. I put 3M MERV 11 filter fabric over

these cold air returns. Since this would slow down air speed to

furnace, I added a fresh air intake from outside of house into cold

air return ductwork. This had the effect of additional air from

which my furnace can pull from. I put filter fabric over fresh air

intake also though. I assume the extra air return has helped

furnace as it hasn't caused any trouble with this almost 40 year old

furnace in the last year and a half it has been running, round the

clock. Now I had better go and knock on wood!

I didn't check the ac though yet, so I guess that is next. I don't

have window type anywhere but I guess this applies to central air

conditioner too? For central air conditioning unit, is it the part

that is outside that needs to be checked? I've already checked the

inside parts.

>

> This is really tragic because it is so unnecessary. With high

quality

> filtration, none of this contamination would take place. No AC (or

furnace

> for that matter) should ever be operated with a filter having a

rating less

> than MERV 6-8; for most of you, the filter should have a MERV

rating of 11.

>

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Barb,

Don't worry about the outside unit at all. All it does is convert the Freon

from gas to liquid. This process takes place entirely outside and only the

Freon comes in and goes out. The Freon is in pipes and it never directly

contacts the air you breathe indoors. The Freon runs through the cooling

coil which is probably inside the furnace in the same filtered air stream as

the furnace air (when it is heated). So you are all set with the

filtration.

Keep in mind that it is always best to filter the air as close to the AC

unit as possible, but if you are getting good results the way you are using

the filter material (at the returns) that's fine.

C. May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

1522 Cambridge Street

Cambridge, MA 02139

617-354-1055

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:24:56 -0000

> " barb1283 " <barb1283@...>

>Subject: Re: AC making me sick

I have a very old furnace that won't take a tight filter. Furnace

people said I couldn't put a tight filter on it as it would not get

enough air flow for motor, but I solved problem this way: There are

two cold air returns in house. I put 3M MERV 11 filter fabric over

these cold air returns. Since this would slow down air speed to

furnace, I added a fresh air intake from outside of house into cold

air return ductwork. This had the effect of additional air from

which my furnace can pull from. I put filter fabric over fresh air

intake also though. I assume the extra air return has helped

furnace as it hasn't caused any trouble with this almost 40 year old

furnace in the last year and a half it has been running, round the

clock. Now I had better go and knock on wood!

I didn't check the ac though yet, so I guess that is next. I don't

have window type anywhere but I guess this applies to central air

conditioner too? For central air conditioning unit, is it the part

that is outside that needs to be checked? I've already checked the

inside parts.

>

> This is really tragic because it is so unnecessary. With high

quality

> filtration, none of this contamination would take place. No AC (or

furnace

> for that matter) should ever be operated with a filter having a

rating less

> than MERV 6-8; for most of you, the filter should have a MERV

rating of 11.

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Jeff,

I had the ductwork cleaned last year. There isn't any way to get

filter closer to ac with this old furnace. The regular 'washable'

filter in the furnace is almost always clean now when I go to clean

it, so the cold air return filters are working pretty well. I can

easily see when filter needs to be cleaned at cold air returns.

They just look unattractive but until I can get a newer, better

furnace, that is a minor thing. This year I bought some charcoal

prefilter replacements for air cleaners and opened them up and laid

them across cold air returns and put the 3M fabric over that, so now

I have house air going through charcoal prefilter and also 3M

Filtrete fabric before it goes through furnace and that has been

working fine too. The charcoal prefilter material seems to last

pretty long. I just changed it after using it for six months. Now

all I have to do is to control humidity this summer and everything

should be fine. Having a fresh air intake causes more problems in

summer than winter since it drags in humid air. I thought problem

would be in winter dragging in chilly air, but furnace warmed it

before it got into house and air was dry, so I had no problems and I

didn't notice much difference in my heat bill. However last summer

I had to freq shut fresh air intake because my stand alone

dehumidifiers (two-three if you include the central air one)

couldn't keep up the all the humidity it was dragging in, in

July/August. Perhaps some day the Therma Stor.

>

> Barb,

>

> Don't worry about the outside unit at all. All it does is convert

the Freon

> from gas to liquid. This process takes place entirely outside and

only the

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