Re: Re: unusual tinctureing going on

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--- salaam_attar007 <salaam@...> wrote:

> I myself shall tincture a mutton this week, because

> yesterday I

> smelled a very nice powerful one at my neighbours.

> Knowing how civet can blend into marvellous

> perfumes, there is no

> reason that horse or mutton does not.

> Just imagine the amount of mutton absolute could be

> produced as a by

> product of whool washing in Australia for instance.

> AbdesSalaam Attar

I have been thinking about this myself because of

Anya's inspiration and because I actually love the

smell of sheep (my mother raised sheep and they were

wonderful friends of mine!) Also, lanolin is in so

many great products and blends well with beautiful

scents. I have yet to locate a sheep to tincture but

I will do this in the future. Please let us know how

this tincture turns out!

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> --- salaam_attar007 <salaam@...> wrote:

> > Just imagine the amount of mutton absolute could

> be

> > produced as a by

> > product of whool washing in Australia for

> instance.

> > AbdesSalaam Attar

--- Glazer <juliaglazermail@...> wrote:

> I have yet to locate a sheep to tincture

> but

> I will do this in the future. Please let us know

> how

> this tincture turns out!

>

>

Since I'm a handspinner, I actually have an unscoured

fleece from a Merino sheep that was shorn this past

spring. I think that I will definitely tincture some

- what a great idea! I'll do it two ways: one, with

the wool just as is, and another, with the wool rinsed

(to remove dirt and dust) but not scoured (scouring is

the process which removes the lanolin and suint (suint

is basically dried sheep sweat) from the wool. I'll

report back!

Alfred

in San Francisco

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--- Alfred Eberle <uruziam@...> wrote:

>

>

> Since I'm a handspinner, I actually have an

> unscoured

> fleece from a Merino sheep that was shorn this past

> spring. I think that I will definitely tincture

> some

> - what a great idea! I'll do it two ways: one, with

> the wool just as is, and another, with the wool

> rinsed

> (to remove dirt and dust) but not scoured (scouring

> is

> the process which removes the lanolin and suint

> (suint

> is basically dried sheep sweat) from the wool. I'll

> report back!

>

>

> Alfred

>

> in San Francisco

>

>

Alfred,

I'm a spinner and a weaver too! I'm a bit out of

practice and haven't got a spinning wheel at the

moment but I will get back to it sooner or later.

Glad to hear you're going to try tincturing too!

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> --- Alfred Eberle <uruziam@...> wrote:

>

> > Since I'm a handspinner, I actually have an

> > unscoured

> > fleece from a Merino sheep that was shorn this

> past

> > spring. I think that I will definitely tincture

> > some (snippity snip)

--- Glazer <juliaglazermail@...> wrote:

> Alfred,

> I'm a spinner and a weaver too! I'm a bit out of

> practice and haven't got a spinning wheel at the

> moment but I will get back to it sooner or later.

> Glad to hear you're going to try tincturing too!

>

>

Hi !

I'm currently enjoying the combining of natural

perfumes and textiles. I just perfumed a long silk

stole I wove by dabbing the fringe with a perfume

blend I made; this was in response to a friend who is

a Greek Orthodox priest who wanted to know if I could

make a flowy silk scarf, faintly perfumed, that he

could use in rituals where ordinarily he would use a

censer but was prevented from doing so because of

being in an environment such as a sickroom where

someone was using oxygen - and it's also softly

perfumed so that it does not take over the space. I

perfumed it with a blend I made that is intended to

evoke the smell of burning frankincense, and though it

doesn't smell burn-y at all, it sure does smell like

frankincense. I used a incense CO2 extract

diluted in alcohol for this, but might do the same

thing with an extraordinarily fragrant olibanum

tincture I made recently.

Someone a few years ago asked me, when I was making

incense (B.P., or Before Perfumery) whether I thought

a scented textile would ever sell. I told her that I

was pretty sure that people usually like textiles they

buy to not smell of anything, and that if they want to

perfume them they do so themselves, but an interesting

twist on this was when my friend the priest

specifically commissioned a perfumed textile!

Alfred

[Guest guest]

--- Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote:

>

> > > Alfred

> > >

> > I would bet you could sell as many fragranced

> scarves as you could

> make. It's not a totally

> > new idea, but it's a great idea!

> >

> > Tisserand

> >

>

> What about perfumed hair ties!

>

> Ruth

Ooh! If only I had some hair to tie back with a hair

tie. Me, I'd be better off to perfume some leather to

make a hat...

Alfred

[Guest guest]

--- Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote:

>

> > > Alfred

> > >

> > I would bet you could sell as many fragranced

> scarves as you could

> make. It's not a totally

> > new idea, but it's a great idea!

> >

> > Tisserand

> >

>

> What about perfumed hair ties!

>

> Ruth

Ooh! If only I had some hair to tie back with a hair

tie. Me, I'd be better off to perfume some leather to

make a hat...

Alfred

[Guest guest]

Alfred Eberle <uruziam@...> wrote:

> --- Alfred Eberle <uruziam@...> wrote:

>

> > Since I'm a handspinner, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

--- Glazer <juliaglazermail@...> wrote:

> Alfred,

> I'm a spinner and a weaver too! I'm a bit out of

> practice and haven't got a spinning wheel at the

> moment

>

>

Hi !

I'm currently enjoying the combining of natural

perfumes and textiles. I just perfumed a long silk

stole I wove by dabbing the fringe with a perfume

blend I made; this was in response to a friend who is

a Greek Orthodox priest who wanted to know if I could

make a flowy silk scarf, faintly perfumed, that he

could use in rituals where ordinarily he would use a

................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

specifically commissioned a perfumed textile!

Alfred

Hey Guys......

I work with embroidery specialising in the machine stitch and I have made

perfumed textiles for galleries for quite some years now.

Funnily enough I made a perfumed and embroidered Sea kite entitled 'Sailing

towards the sun'..........Bought by Kite Flyers in the US.

I am about to embark on a very large work for the National Botanic Garden in

Wales..... based on the Lore and myth of the 'Physicians of Mydffai'..... This

project I anticipate will take me at least 2 or more years to complete... for

which an exhibition will follow.... The Royal Homoeopathic Hospital in London

has also shown interest and Maureen from the Botanic Gardens wants to introduce

me to someone from the Chelsea Physics Garden in London....... all this wil be

highly aromatic..............based from the story .... so stay tuned.

Janita

in Wales

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi !

>

> I'm currently enjoying the combining of natural

> perfumes and textiles. I just perfumed a long silk

> stole I wove by dabbing the fringe with a perfume

> blend I made; this was in response to a friend who

> is

> a Greek Orthodox priest who wanted to know if I

> could

> make a flowy silk scarf, faintly perfumed

> I

> was pretty sure that people usually like textiles

> they

> buy to not smell of anything, and that if they want

> to

> perfume them they do so themselves, but an

> interesting

> twist on this was when my friend the priest

> specifically commissioned a perfumed textile!

>

>

> Alfred

>

>

Hi Alfred,

I love this idea! I think is correct and lots

of people would buy them! How long does the perfume

last?

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[Guest guest]

On Sep 12, 2006, at 5:32 PM, Glazer wrote:

> > specifically commissioned a perfumed textile!

> >

> >

> > Alfred

> >

> >

> Hi Alfred,

> I love this idea! I think is correct and lots

> of people would buy them! How long does the perfume

> last?

>

>

Noticeably longer than on a test strip - on a test strip from top note

to drydown is about two hours or so. But on the silk, it seems that

even four or five hours later I can still smell the top notes, however

faintly, and then slowly over the period of about a day it seems to get

to the drydown, but even for something like a week I could still smell

the base notes if I came within a foot of the silk cloth.

Also of note: every one of the fragrances I have made has stained the

silk I put on it. I tested them all. So I dabbed it on the fringe

instead (though I had to resist the urge to just dunk the whole fringe

in some perfume, but how OTT!!), and it wasn't really noticeable to the

eye.

I'd heard somewhere that human hair acts as a fixative- for instance,

when people put perfume in their hair. Silk is not unlike human hair

in that it's a protein fiber, and I wonder if perhaps it might work as

a fixative as well.

I was very pleased to learn, after letting the perfume on the scarf sit

for a few hours, that when I flicked the scarf through the air softly

it still cast perfume into the room in a noticeable way, and the effect

was even more wonderful than I thought it would be.

This is the kind of thing I used to dream about doing when I was a kid.

And I remember stopping my mother in her tracks when I was about ten,

when I told her!

Alfred

in San Francisco

[Guest guest]

--- freunddebbie <Debbie@...> wrote:

> Hi Alfred,

>

> You are doing some cool stuff over there on the

> other coast. A

> fashion designer friend of mine in NYC, about 10

> years ago, knitted

> some sparkly scarves on a machine. She then sewed a

> tiny pocket on

> to one corner of each scarf; into which she put a

> small absorbent

> pad scented with her own natural perfumes. These

> pads could be

> replenished with the customer's own scents or the

> designer's. I

> thought that was a nice way to add scent to an

> article of clothing.

>

> Best,

>

> Debbie

Hi Debbie,

That's an even better idea than putting the perfume

directly on the textile, because it allows for a way

to add fragrance to the textile without directly

applying it to the fiber itself (no stains!). And it

allows for the customer to customize it. Very cool.

Alfred

[Guest guest]

>These animal aromatic substances are always pheromone molecules and

they appeal to our nervous system and to our emotions as no vegetal

really does.

They do not need to be perceptible in a perfume, it is enough for

them to be there.<

So are you saying that even if I don't preceive a musk scent from this

tincture, it still would have an effect? How would I " measure " this?

>So the first step was hair goat tincturing as a sustainable

substitute for musk deer but more can be done and your idea to

tincture horse hair is a step forward.<

AbdesSalaam Attar

I think Anya also thought I had tinctured the stallions (Valient) hair.

There is a sheath(male) that has a sebaceous gland and that area needs to be

cleaned. That is what I tinctured, what was there before cleaning. To much

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[Guest guest]

>

> It is measurable in sales as people are more

> attracted to perfumes that

> contain animal scents.

>

> Abdessalaam Attar

>

Does this include synthetic animal scents?

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[Guest guest]

>

> It is measurable in sales as people are more

> attracted to perfumes that

> contain animal scents.

>

> Abdessalaam Attar

>

Does this include synthetic animal scents?

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[Guest guest]

At 11:53 AM 9/14/2006, you wrote:

>

> > > For this reason I sustain with the perfumers of old that a

> > > tridimentional perfume must contain animal scents, because a

>perfume is not just a scent for the nose, not just emotions for the

>heart but also energy for the soul.

> > >

> > I'm not convinced of this, or that it is what everyone looks for in

>every scent, but each to his/her own. And if your right, maybe

>Grenouille was really onto something...

> >

> > Tisserand

>

>

>I agree with you, Mr. Tisserand. I've always found musks/animal

>notes in perfumes very disagreeable in any amount and any animal that

>was smelling musky in dire need of a bath.

Hi Judith:

Please understand that the animal essence used is in a tiny amount, perhaps

less than 1% of the perfume. It is frequently non-detectable, actually. I

agree with you -- most dirty animals need a bath ;-)

>A dear college friend loved perfumes with musk and they all smelled

>unberably rank to me.

Those were synthetic musks. Real musk was outlawed years ago. I agree that

the synth musks that became popular in the 60s and 70s and persist to this

day are very rank. I cannot stand them.

>And one presumes vegans would reject musks as well--certainly not

>everyone is looking for animalic notes.

Vegans reject any animal product, including beeswax, which is used in some

perfumes. That is why natural perfumers - at least the ones I know - have

full disclosure on their products.

Anya

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