Re: : Re: Emergency Back-up Plan,foster care

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Hi ,

I have for the most part, tried to stay out of this conversation. But, some

things have bothered me. Now, it looks to not only myself, but others that

you are attacking Rosie for trying to help find things to give them

assistance. Such as vitamins, and new ways of eating, and things to avoid.

This information is PRICELESS.

After reading your posts for awhile now, I find that you are very

knowledgeable in many things, and very smart. And in fact have learned

several things from you.

But, you do come off as very arrogant. It seems that if someone does not

agree with you and does follow your so called advice they are just stupid. I

have not read hardly any of your post since your uncaring, and un-informed

post last week about families with children. Where you advised that parents

should put their children into foster care. That post sickened me. We have

many parents on this forum, as myself. Who are looking for help. And to

think for a minute, that anyone of them would consider doing this is just

ridiculous. Are you a parent? I would have to say a BIG FAT NO, to that.

If you were, there is no way in HELL you would have made that comment.

If I remember correctly, you said you had a friend who just dropped their

children off at a foster home, a wonderful foster home, and then when they

were ready just went and picked them up. This again shows you are not a

parent, and have no clue how foster care works. One (atleast in most

states) you just don't get to pick the foster home. The state picks it for

you. They would NOT allow you to have the home tested for mold, to make

sure it was a safe environment. So, YES you could be endangering your

children's life. You don't get interview the families where your children

will be going. Heck, you have no say what so ever. As a matter of fact,

there have been several cases where the parents have been charged munchausen

and their children have been removed, and their Civil Rights have been

violated. They were told to never speak of mold again to anyone. But,

after going into foster care, the children were still sick. So, I don't see

how this is at all a good plan. Sounds stupid to me. A GOOD parent would

never

even think this for a moment. But, then you don't have children do you, so

how would you know what it is like to have children and be put into this

situation, and make a huge decision that would affect your children's mental

state, as well as their lives, for as long as they live.

I have been a parent, still am, and will always be. I would NEVER under ANY

circumstances use your advice. And hope that other parents on this forum

are not second guessing themselves after that stupid suggestion.

Parents on this forum, please follow your heart. If you are a good parent

you will always make the right decisions for your children, like I did. And

most of us here are always will to help, and give you sound advice.

Good Luck,

[]: Re: Emergency Back-up Plan, etc

> You are so determined to undermine anything I say that you would

> employ this twisted bit of pseudologic to include Dr Shoemaker

> simply because I used the word " doctors " ?

>

> One can get enough information from Mold Warriors to take the

> initiative in controlling their illness despite the flawed concepts

> and counterproductive advice from MOST doctors - as if you really

> didn't comprehend that I was excluding the few good ones whose work

> I support.

>

> You have rejected evacuation as " unrealistic " , so what is your plan

> for those people your heart is crying for?

> Advise them not to listen to unrealistic concepts of " running to the

> hills " and to buy more vitamins, tyvek suits and filters?

> Put off buying Dr Shoemakers book unless they can get a discount?

>

> I am concerned for your friends.

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> <Healthier4All@...> wrote:

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>> Hi : I am concerned for you. It seems you have encountered

> another mold

>> attack or still influenced by the last one; otherwise you have not

> have

>> stated: " visits to doctors: worthless "

>>

>> I certainly agree Mold Warriors is a most informative and valuable

> book;

>> especially to those who have the cognitive ability to comprehend

> the book.

>> For those who do not, Dr. Schaller's E-Book and paperback book

> Mold Illness

>> Made Simple I recommend highly.

>>

>> However just reading Mold Warrior is not enough unless the

> government

>> changes the laws and allows everyone to write their own scripts

> for the

>> necessary laboratory tests outlined in the book and to write their

> own

>> scripts for the required Rx drugs based on Dr. Shoemaker's

> research and

>> clinical practice with thousands of patients.

>>

>> Are you sure you wish to say " visits to doctors: worthless " ? I

> don't think

>> you really mean that a visit to let's say Dr. Shoemaker is

> worthless since

>> he is a " doctor " . Am I wrong? Is this what you mean that one

> only needs to

>> read Mold Warriors and avoid all doctors including Dr. Shoemaker,

> Schaller

>> and other qualified, highly respected physicians?

>>

>> Rosie

>>

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[Guest guest]

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I just wanted to bring to your attention I didn't post anything about PIR.

That would have been KC. Heck, I didn't even know what it was until

earlier.

2nd- I don't believe in the post you made regarding foster care you said

anything about a PIR5, or did you explain what it was. I am sure you meant

to, since this is what you are explaining now. But, we have to remember, as

we have seen today. Not many even know what a PIR 5 is, even if that would

have been mentioned. But, I am sure as with all moldies your brain thinks

faster than we type, and sometimes we omit things.

says:If you had seen someone attempting to survive at PIR 5, I don't

think you would say this.

I have seen and spoken with many in this situation. But, again we were not

speaking of a PIR5, we speaking in general.

Now, I have left nothing to respond to. No need to defend, because I am not

attacking. We have many new people here on this forum, and this along with

a couple other conversations have grown tiresome. We by no means compare to

you, and your knowledge. This you have made obvious. But, we all in our

little way want to help others. And will continue to do so.

I believe that the knowledge from all here on this board can benefit others.

But, we have many to remember that there are many different ways of doing

it. Everyone has different circumstances, finances, and so forth. Trying

to force someone to agree with us does not work well with most. Being

forceful doesn't work either. Saying there is only one way to have

avoidance is not true. It is nice to share what works for us, but remember

not to condemn, or attack others for what they are doing, or what has worked

for them.

I am glad we have ALL had these conversations, and gotten some things better

explained, and some things not. But, for me I don't care to turn this into

a bickering match.

[]: Re: Emergency Back-up Plan,foster care

> . You just re-posted the PIR scales:

>

> PIR 5 - Disability. You are too sick to work or take care of family

> let alone yourself. Financial ruin is the rule. A number on this

> group are a 5.

>

> " TOO SICK TO WORK OR TAKE CARE OF FAMILY - LET ALONE YOURSELF "

>

> What are a caring parents main priorities?

> At PIR 5 you have a difficult choice to make. To watch your

> children suffer as you fail to take care of them, or to make other

> arrangements out of sheer necessity.

> The girl I saw in this situation did not get to pick the foster

> parents, but she was allowed to visit. This was not an easy choice,

> but it was preferable to not being able to provide for them at all.

> " A GOOD parent would never even think of this for a moment " ?

> If you had seen someone attempting to survive at PIR 5, I don't

> think you would say this.

> To my way of thinking, a good parent would want their children to be

> taken care of, if they were unable to do so.

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>>

>> Hi ,

>> I have for the most part, tried to stay out of this conversation.

> But, some

>> things have bothered me. Now, it looks to not only myself, but

> others that

>> you are attacking Rosie for trying to help find things to give them

>> assistance. Such as vitamins, and new ways of eating, and things

> to avoid.

>> This information is PRICELESS.

>>

>> After reading your posts for awhile now, I find that you are very

>> knowledgeable in many things, and very smart. And in fact have

> learned

>> several things from you.

>> But, you do come off as very arrogant. It seems that if someone

> does not

>> agree with you and does follow your so called advice they are just

> stupid. I

>> have not read hardly any of your post since your uncaring, and un-

> informed

>> post last week about families with children. Where you advised

> that parents

>> should put their children into foster care. That post sickened

> me. We have

>> many parents on this forum, as myself. Who are looking for help.

> And to

>> think for a minute, that anyone of them would consider doing this

> is just

>> ridiculous. Are you a parent? I would have to say a BIG FAT

> NO, to that.

>> If you were, there is no way in HELL you would have made that

> comment.

>> If I remember correctly, you said you had a friend who just

> dropped their

>> children off at a foster home, a wonderful foster home, and then

> when they

>> were ready just went and picked them up. This again shows you are

> not a

>> parent, and have no clue how foster care works. One (atleast in

> most

>> states) you just don't get to pick the foster home. The state

> picks it for

>> you. They would NOT allow you to have the home tested for mold,

> to make

>> sure it was a safe environment. So, YES you could be endangering

> your

>> children's life. You don't get interview the families where your

> children

>> will be going. Heck, you have no say what so ever. As a matter

> of fact,

>> there have been several cases where the parents have been charged

> munchausen

>> and their children have been removed, and their Civil Rights have

> been

>> violated. They were told to never speak of mold again to anyone.

> But,

>> after going into foster care, the children were still sick. So, I

> don't see

>> how this is at all a good plan. Sounds stupid to me. A GOOD

> parent would

>> never

>> even think this for a moment. But, then you don't have children

> do you, so

>> how would you know what it is like to have children and be put

> into this

>> situation, and make a huge decision that would affect your

> children's mental

>> state, as well as their lives, for as long as they live.

>> I have been a parent, still am, and will always be. I would NEVER

> under ANY

>> circumstances use your advice. And hope that other parents on

> this forum

>> are not second guessing themselves after that stupid suggestion.

>> Parents on this forum, please follow your heart. If you are a

> good parent

>> you will always make the right decisions for your children, like I

> did. And

>> most of us here are always will to help, and give you sound advice.

>> Good Luck,

>>

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