Re: Apothecary Keeper question

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>Libby <libby@...> wrote: i'm on

mac....like i said before, so please hurry with that version.

>>I'm actually starting on it today. Once it is built, I'll need

to go through a perios of beta testing, and then I''ll announce the

release! Should be ready this Winter...I'll post a list of proposed

new features in a month or so.

I can vouch for myself and another friend off list - we want a MAC

version - YAY! Will it be universal to accomodate the dual core MACs?

JenB

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Budai <jen@...> wrote: >>I'm actually starting on it today.

Once it is built, I'll need

to go through a perios of beta testing, and then I''ll announce the

release! Should be ready this Winter...I'll post a list of proposed

new features in a month or so.

I can vouch for myself and another friend off list - we want a MAC

version - YAY! Will it be universal to accomodate the dual core MACs?

JenB

So far, yes, it will be compatible with dual core macs, but we'll find out in

beta testing.

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Hi,

I have Apothecary Keeper and I love it.much the easiest way to maintain

inventory and recipes. I have two wishes for the next version:

1. Make the names of " associations " in the inventory view " user defined. "

We in perfumery have a lot of ways to categorize materials, but not the ones

you have embedded.

2. Add a single calculation that would convert a formula to percentages,

perhaps to two decimal places. So, if my formula is 110 grams of item A and

90 grams of item B, the calculation would show the new formula as 55.00 %

item A and 45.00% item B. It would be ideal if it would recalculate the

percentages each time an ingredient was added to the formula.

Thanks for a nice piece of software and for working with us to fit it to our

uses.

Steve Earl

Glen Custom Perfumery

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Edited to correct top post......Please see recent topping & tailing post -

thanks - Liz

On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:21 PM, Budai wrote:

>> Libby <libby@...> wrote: i'm on

> mac....like i said before, so please hurry with that version.

>

Here's another request for the Mac version! Please, please, please?

Thanks muchly!

michelle@...

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g-c-p <g-c-p@...> wrote: I have two wishes for the next version:

1. Make the names of " associations " in the inventory view " user defined. "

We in perfumery have a lot of ways to categorize materials, but not the ones

you have embedded.

2. Add a single calculation that would convert a formula to percentages,

perhaps to two decimal places. So, if my formula is 110 grams of item A and

90 grams of item B, the calculation would show the new formula as 55.00 %

item A and 45.00% item B. It would be ideal if it would recalculate the

percentages each time an ingredient was added to the formula.

Thanks for a nice piece of software and for working with us to fit it to our

uses.

Mornign Steve!

In the Recipies window (V2 will rename this to Formulas) there are 5 user

defined fields; I will add 5 user defined fields to the inventory view as well.

If I can, I will see if I can add an unlimited amount via a portal, but I

will have to expiriment with this a bit. Wither way, you will have what you

wish for.

On the percentages, I was considering adding this to the Formulas windo already;

but I am balked at the moment by the conversion. If the user is only using a

single measurement catagory (i.e. volume measurements or weight measurements) ,

this would be no problem.

But if someone can tell me how percentage is deterined in formulas that have

both weight measurements and volume measurements, I can easily make this happen;

once I have the math it should be easy to impliment with some IF/THEN statements

to determine measurement type.

I've just begun reaserching this last week, so as long as I can find out how

it's done, I can add this feature. In the meantime, I'm going to add the user

defined fields to the inventory specs right now.

Be well,

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<michelle@...> wrote: Here's another request for the

Mac version! Please, please, please?LOL! V2 will DEFINITLY be available on MAC.

So to prevent a bunch of Mac request posts clogging up the list, let's do

this: anyone who wants to be personally notified the day the Mac version becomes

available, send me an email with the subject: " Please notify me of the MAC AK2

Release! " and in the body put your full name and email address, and if you want

too, your mailling adderess. Mailing address optional, I doubt I'll notify by

mail.

I'm sure Anya will want me to announce it's release on this list, so you'll

heare about it here first. However, if there is a concern, definitly get

added to the release list. And anyone who want's to be personally notified

about the PC Release ov V2, send me the same email, just change MAC to PC.

Just a note though: V2 will be a MAJOR release, and will be a while; probably

Winter. So, I'd reccomend getting the current version to get familiar with the

basics, as V1 really is basic compared to what V2 will do. Upgrades to V2 will

be 50% off, and members of this list will get an additional discount, I'll need

to talk with Anya about that first. Therefore, if you are on a PC, don't wait

for V2, V1 wil help you get ready for V2.

Be well,

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At 04:35 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote:

>On the percentages, I was considering adding this to the Formulas windo

>already; but I am balked at the moment by the conversion. If the user is

>only using a single measurement catagory (i.e. volume measurements or

>weight measurements) , this would be no problem.

>

>But if someone can tell me how percentage is deterined in formulas that

>have both weight measurements and volume measurements, I can easily make

>this happen; once I have the math it should be easy to impliment with some

>IF/THEN statements to determine measurement type.

I hope one of our mathmatically-gifted members will answer!

Andy, is there a function in AK that helps us figure out the fluid v.

weight of an essence by using the specific gravity? Specific gravity may be

the key in what you're asking about.

Anya

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Anya <mccoy@...> wrote: At 04:35 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote:

>But if someone can tell me how percentage is determined in formulas that

>have both weight measurements and volume measurements, I can easily make

>this happen; once I have the math it should be easy to implement with some

>IF/THEN statements to determine measurement type.

I hope one of our mathematically-gifted members will answer!

Andy, is there a function in AK that helps us figure out the fluid v.

weight of an essence by using the specific gravity? Specific gravity may be

the key in what you're asking about.

Currently there is not. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about this, so I

need to be educated on it and how it works, and how measurements are taken (or

where to get them from...LOL!) If I had example calculations, I could probably

integrate this pretty easily, I just need to have someone who knows this well

that I can bounce questions off of, and help me test.

Any volunteers?

I'm 1/4 of the way through defining fields in the source database, once I finish

that I will begin working on base functionality and a basic GUI (Graphical User

Interface), then adding in the " special " features, then the refined GUI. At some

point I will be recruiting beta testers, and whoever it is that helps me figure

out the percentages feature will definitely be asked to beta test.

Be well,

Andy on

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Silventar <silventar@...> wrote: Andy, is there a function in AK that

helps us figure out the fluid v.

weight of an essence by using the specific gravity? Specific gravity may be

the key in what you're asking about.

Currently there is not. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about this, so I

need to be educated on it and how it works, and how measurements are taken (or

where to get them from...LOL!) If I had example calculations, I could probably

integrate this pretty easily, I just need to have someone who knows this well

that I can bounce questions off of, and help me test.

Any volunteers?

I'm 1/4 of the way through defining fields in the source database, once I

finish that I will begin working on base functionality and a basic GUI

(Graphical User Interface), then adding in the " special " features, then the

refined GUI. At some point I will be recruiting beta testers, and whoever it is

that helps me figure out the percentages feature will definitely be asked to

beta test.

During the day, I work for a natural skin care company called Derma E

(www.dermae.net)

I asked my boss how we do it at our lab (different building) and I was told that

everything is measured in weights; specifically in grams. This makes it easy to

determine percentage.

My connundrum is that one of Apothecary Keeper key features is unit conversion,

so I need to keep this. What I have not been able to do to this point is convert

volume measurements to weight measurements due to the inconsistancy in

materials. So Anya's suggestion of specific gravity weight may be accurate; now

I need to find out how to determine specific gravity. We're closer to makeing

this a viable feature!

Be well,

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Ok, so I came home for lunch and dis some research. Turns out specific gravity

is pretty easy to determine. But even better, there are TONS of resources online

as to what specific gravity things are. For example:

Water has a specific gravity of 1.

Orange essential oil has an approximate specific gravity of .89

Glycerin has an approximate specific gravity of 1.21

Sweet Almond oil has an approximate specific gravity of .92

So, this makes things easy. I'll include instructions on how to determine

specific gravity, as well as a list of resources on where to find existing

measurements online. Or I'll be really nice and collect these and host them

on www.BlueMoonDesign.org

So, The point is, in Apothecary Keeper 2.0, as long as you have the " Specific

Gravity " field filled in the the inventory view, then the formula view will

automatically tell you when percentage of each ingredient used, and adjust on

the fly as you add, increase, subtract, or delete ingredients.

Poof! Ask, and ye shall receive...

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I hope one of our mathematically-gifted members will answer!

Andy, is there a function in AK that helps us figure out the fluid v.

weight of an essence by using the specific gravity? Specific gravity may be

the key in what you're asking about.

Currently there is not. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about this, so

I need to be educated on it and how it works, and how measurements are taken

(or where to get them from...LOL!) If I had example calculations, I could

probably integrate this pretty easily, I just need to have someone who knows

this well that I can bounce questions off of, and help me test.

Any volunteers?

I'm 1/4 of the way through defining fields in the source database, once I

finish that I will begin working on base functionality and a basic GUI

(Graphical User Interface), then adding in the " special " features, then the

refined GUI. At some point I will be recruiting beta testers, and whoever it

is that helps me figure out the percentages feature will definitely be

asked to beta test.

Be well,

Andy on

www.BlueMoonDesign.org

Specific gravity is a function of volume. Water is the standard, that is

1 kg = 1L = 1 dm³ at sea level at 4ºC(?) if I remember correctly.

Here is a Link http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_water.htm with a table of

changes.

The volume, weight/volume changes with altitude and temperature by reason of

gravity, air pressure and expansion.

So every calculation will be approximate, we do not work well at 4ºC, so we

need to calculate with the s.g. between 17ºC and 21 ºC.

An other challenge is the weight and volume of a droplet. I think that some

or a lot of us use dropper bottles or droppers to make our formulas. Each

oil or absolute has its own drop volume, surface tension makes the drop

larger or smaller, then there is adhesion and cohesion to consider.

A good investment for all the our will be a good scale with a zero function.

So if the s.g. is known we can weigh a number of drops to calculate the

volume of the X drops and than the volume of one drop.

Volume % differs from weight %

Hoping being helpful.

Have fun

Strik

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Strik <paul@...> wrote: Specific gravity is a function of

volume. Water is the standard, that is

1 kg = 1L = 1 dm� at sea level at 4�C(?) if I remember correctly.

Here is a Link http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_water.htm with a table of

changes.

Good afternoon !

So here is a question = to figure out the percentages as accurately as possible,

the user needs to lookup or determine the specific gravity of their liquids and

enter them into the appropriate field; do they need to do so for their weight

based ingredients? Does Specific Gravety factor down to dry weight, i.e. a dry

ounce?

For example:

Ingredient.............Qty..Measurement...SG.....Factored Wgt..Formula

Percentage

Water 1 Gallon 1.00 128.000 90.121%

Orange Oil 4 Fluid Ounce 0.89 3.560 2.506%

Glycerin 7 Fluid Ounce 1.21 8.470 5.963%

Lavender Buds 2 Dry Ounce 2.000 1.408%

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Total Net Weight: 142.03 oz Total

Percent: 100%

(SG = Specific Gravity)

Here is the logic:

1. IF SG= " " then Convert QTY to equivelant in " Dry Ounce " and enter into

Factored Wgt

2. IF SG not= " " then Convert QTY to equivelant in " Fluid Ounce " and multiply

by SG and enter result into Factored Wgt

3. Formula Percentage = (Factored Weight / Total Net Weight) * 100

Does this logic look accurate? This is pending that an approximate SG of 1

converts to 1 dry ounce; if so then I can quickly and easily convert this to a

formula and incorporate it into AK2.

Be Well,

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Silventar <silventar@...> wrote: Strik <paul@...> wrote:

Specific gravity is a function of volume. Water is the standard, that is

1 kg = 1L = 1 dm� at sea level at 4�C(?) if I remember correctly.

Here is a Link http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_water.htm with a table of

changes.

Good afternoon !

So here is a question = to figure out the percentages as accurately as

possible, the user needs to lookup or determine the specific gravity of their

liquids and enter them into the appropriate field; do they need to do so for

their weight based ingredients? Does Specific Gravety factor down to dry weight,

i.e. a dry ounce?

For example:

Ingredient.............Qty..Measurement...SG.....Factored Wgt..Formula

Percentage

Water 1 Gallon 1.00 128.000

90.121%

Orange Oil 4 Fluid Ounce 0.89 3.560 2.506%

Glycerin 7 Fluid Ounce 1.21 8.470 5.963%

Lavender Buds 2 Dry Ounce 2.000 1.408%

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Total Net Weight: 142.03 oz Total

Percent: 100%

(SG = Specific Gravity)

Here is the logic:

1. IF SG= " " then Convert QTY to equivelant in " Dry Ounce " and enter into

Factored Wgt

2. IF SG not= " " then Convert QTY to equivelant in " Fluid Ounce " and multiply

by SG and enter result into Factored Wgt

3. Formula Percentage = (Factored Weight / Total Net Weight) * 100

Does this logic look accurate? This is pending that an approximate SG of 1

converts to 1 dry ounce; if so then I can quickly and easily convert this to a

formula and incorporate it into AK2.

Uk, I made a dunderheaded error in the example above; I have 128 ounces in a

pound when I should have had 16 ounces to a pound. The logic statements still

hold true though. Sorry if I confused anyone...hehe!

Be well,

Andy on

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