Re: Advice: Mold Lifestyling is a Balancing Act- Part 2

[Guest guest]

, thanks so much for your response to my questions directed to you.

Running for the hills is a moot point, plumes are everywhere. You yourself

have encountered them while hang gliding. Here are my questions to you.

1. If you are " supposedly " cured, then why are you still on guard concerning

plumes? If a person is cured then there should be no sensitivity. How can

you teach someone to " fly " when you yourself are still 'grounded " by hits

periodically?

2. Where is there a " Safe " place? Mold and plumes are every where.

Even the space station had a problem with mold and that was extreme freezing

cold, no oxygen.

3. You are not on nor have you taken anyone's protocol (as far as I

know--correct me if I'm wrong please), just practicing avoidance, in my mind

that is no cure. That's like staying away from poison ivy and hoping that no

one is burning the vines or leaves.

Especially if you have been poisoned by it already. You're not cured of the

poison, just keeping it at bay temporarily.

You keep referring to your story in Mold Warriors, yet you are not

practicing the protocol. I don't understand why you have not taken Dr.

Shoemaker's protocol since you so often suggest people consult with him. Is

something amiss with his protocol or just not for you? Or do you only refer

to your published story to let people know you were written about. I don't

recall seeing just your story in the book, cause if that was the case then

the name should have been Mold Warrior.

4. I don't recall reading if you are married or have children? If you do

have children I can't see you telling a parent to give up their child(ren)

if their home is contaminated. That action in itself is like tearing out

your heart. And how do you know that the " foster home " is not in the same

condition or worse. Then trying to get the children back is almost

impossible. Do you really know what some of these foster homes are like?

You don't want to know! But this is another topic that needs to be addressed

by society and the government--protecting the children in foster homes from

environmental toxins and emotional/physical abuse.

5. The only advice you seem to be giving anyone is RUN to the hills, no new

concepts and not really a cure. Just the same thing over and over again.

Everyone here knows that avoidance is the main ingredient to getting better,

but it in itself is not a cure. But then again that's common sense.

6. If this worked so well for you, then why do you keep separate clothing to

change into, you shouldn't have to worry about some spores on your clothes

for the outdoors. Something is certainly wrong with this picture and your

concept.

7. A desert environment carries spores, the plumes from South Africa carry

spores across the ocean, killing coral reefs along the way (I was scuba

diving in Cancun 5 years ago, the coral reefs are dead and I mentioned that

to the tour guide, he didn't answer me. 5 years earlier I was in Aruba

scuba diving and didn't want to leave the gorgeous coral reefs...the

tourists in Cancun didn't know the difference between a dead and living

reef), finally entering the US, plumes from the gulf states carry any which

way the winds blow, the San Andres winds blowing across the country, winds

coming down from Canada,etc., etc., Where in your world is it safe?

Perhaps the reason why so many do not follow your concept is that they can

see the folly/flaws in it....

What it really comes down to if people were to take your advice literally,

is run, but you can't hide... cause even at 10,000+ feet you are going to

get nailed.

Just being realistic . Bottom line there is no solution for all of us

today; maybe in a generation from now or perhaps never. We need to be

concerned for others, educate them, support them, and be tender with their

own circumstances even when it breaks our hearts to see them suffering as

they do.

What I would love to see happen is for you to contact large corporations to

fund a non-profit group to help those with toxic mold illness. YOU of all

people I know have the personality, the intelligence, the knowledge about

mold toxic illness, the drive and ability to make the contacts and convince

the CEO's to channel some of their tax write-offs into this special

non-profit organization. Money could be used to fund the ill for trips to

Dr. Shoemaker and other health care professionals, to pay for the consults,

the tests and the Rx drugs they need plus provide shelter for them if needed

or help to remediate their homes. This I know you can do---

Rosie

[Guest guest]

" healthier4all " <wrote:

> , thanks so much for your response to my questions directed to

you.

> Running for the hills is a moot point, plumes are everywhere. You

yourself have encountered them while hang gliding.

Running to the hills is a moot point when I said that I'm living

inside town by staying in-between spore plumes.

Here are my questions to you.

> 1. If you are " supposedly " cured, then why are you still on guard

concerning plumes? If a person is cured then there should be no

sensitivity. How can you teach someone to " fly " when you yourself

are still 'grounded " by hits periodically?<

I never claimed to be " cured " . I said that by using a strategy

of extreme avoidance, I can spend my time climbing mountains and

acting semi-normal instead of feeling like mold susceptible people

do when they are having a reaction to toxic mold.

To me this is preferable.

> 2. Where is there a " Safe " place? Mold and plumes are every where.

> Even the space station had a problem with mold and that was

extreme freezing cold, no oxygen.<

A safe place is where you find it. That doesn't sound like it.

> 3. You are not on nor have you taken anyone's protocol (as far as I

know--correct me if I'm wrong please), just practicing avoidance,

in my mind that is no cure. That's like staying away from poison ivy

and hoping that no one is burning the vines or leaves.

Especially if you have been poisoned by it already. You're not

cured of the poison, just keeping it at bay temporarily.<

Correct. Then be my guest and do not make any effort to avoid mold.

If you find life to be tolerable this way, that is a perfectly good

choice.

> You keep referring to your story in Mold Warriors, yet you are not

> practicing the protocol. I don't understand why you have not taken

Dr. Shoemaker's protocol since you so often suggest people consult

with him. Is something amiss with his protocol or just not for you?

Or do you only refer to your published story to let people know you

were written about. I don't recall seeing just your story in the

book, cause if that was the case then the name should have been Mold

Warrior.<

Because I am obviously the arrogant bastard my sister said I was

when I claimed that the doctors are wrong about mold, and my only

agenda is to proclaim my Godlike self, and perhaps also mention that

Dr Shoemaker is the only doctor who worthy of speaking to me, so

there just may be some validity to his petty medicaments and

provincial Pocomoke concepts.

> 4. I don't recall reading if you are married or have children? If

you do have children I can't see you telling a parent to give up

their child(ren) if their home is contaminated. That action in

itself is like tearing out your heart. And how do you know that

the " foster home " is not in the same condition or worse. Then trying

to get the children back is almost impossible. Do you really know

what some of these foster homes are like?

You don't want to know! <

Yes I do know. Since I knew a girl in this precise situation who put

her children with a very nice foster family until she got back on

her feet. Amazingly enough, not all foster care parents are drug

addicts and child molesters, and they DO give the kids back if you

aks nicely enough.

>But this is another topic that needs to be addressed by society and

the government--protecting the children in foster homes from

environmental toxins and emotional/physical abuse.<

That is in the future. What is the family you refer to going to do

right now, if they can no longer support themselves or recover?

> 5. The only advice you seem to be giving anyone is RUN to the

hills, no new concepts and not really a cure. Just the same thing

over and over again.

> Everyone here knows that avoidance is the main ingredient to

getting better, but it in itself is not a cure. But then again

that's common sense.<

I said go to a pristine area to get clear, to make identification of

hot spots easier. If you can find any reference I make that my

strategy consists of just " Run to the hills " please quote it.

If avoidance is common sense, why would you be disinterested in

maximizing it?

> 6. If this worked so well for you, then why do you keep separate

clothing to change into, you shouldn't have to worry about some

spores on your clothes for the outdoors. Something is certainly

wrong with this picture and your concept.<

What is wrong with your concept is that you have it backwards.

It is controlling exposure that a sensitized person has to worry

about. Similar to someone with severe peanut reactivities who must

avoid even minute exposures from things like the knife used in the

restaurant which cut a PBJ just before YOUR sandwich.

Would you advise a person with peanut reactivity not to worry about

peanut butter on their clothing?

> 7. A desert environment carries spores, the plumes from South

Africa carry spores across the ocean, killing coral reefs along the

way (I was scuba diving in Cancun 5 years ago, the coral reefs are

dead and I mentioned that to the tour guide, he didn't answer me. 5

years earlier I was in Aruba scuba diving and didn't want to leave

the gorgeous coral reefs...the tourists in Cancun didn't know the

difference between a dead and living reef), finally entering the US,

plumes from the gulf states carry any which way the winds blow, the

San Andres winds blowing across the country, winds coming down from

Canada,etc., etc., Where in your world is it safe?<

This group has discussed increased asthma in children and coral reef

die-off in Trinidad from Aspergillus Sydowi blowing across the

Atlantic from dried up Lake Chad. Since mold is everywhere, is

your advice to do nothing?

> Perhaps the reason why so many do not follow your concept is that

they can see the folly/flaws in it....<

It certainly fooled Dr Shoemaker!

I climb Mt Whitney every year. If anyone cares to join me, we can

compare flawed concepts and see whose folly makes it to the top

first.

> What it really comes down to if people were to take your advice

literally, is run, but you can't hide... cause even at 10,000+ feet

you are going to get nailed.<

Perhaps. I have never yet had any mold problems at higher than 6,200

ft.

> Just being realistic . Bottom line there is no solution for

all of us today; maybe in a generation from now or perhaps never.

We need to be concerned for others, educate them, support them, and

be tender with their own circumstances even when it breaks our

hearts to see them suffering as they do.<

I'm glad I don't share your view of " realistic " .

I don't think your examples of illness care to wait for that long.

Should we " educate them " that there is no solution for all of

us " today " and dissuade them from listening to unrealistic

strategies for avoidance?

If there is any one thing that must surely seem apparent, it is

that if mycotoxins induce a response, decreasing exposure should be

a desirable thing to do.

> What I would love to see happen is for you to contact large

corporations to fund a non-profit group to help those with toxic

mold illness. YOU of all people I know have the personality, the

intelligence, the knowledge about mold toxic illness, the drive and

ability to make the contacts and convince the CEO's to channel some

of their tax write-offs into this special non-profit organization.

Money could be used to fund the ill for trips to

> Dr. Shoemaker and other health care professionals, to pay for the

consults, the tests and the Rx drugs they need plus provide shelter

for them if needed or help to remediate their homes. This I know you

can do---

Rosie<

A fraction of the doctors, researchers, CFS groups, CDC, NIH,

MCS researchers, mycologists, toxicologists, IAQ, IEQ, and other

institutions I have contacted are listed in the old messages that I

have posted to this group.

The usual response is that I am arrogant, unrealistic,

unscientific, have no plan, and cannot prove anything I say.

Not to mention a total lack of support from others who claim to be

suffering from a similar illness.

I can watch others continue to succumb to mold illness and wonder

why they would deliberately choose to ignore a strategy that even

remotely offered the possibility of taking a slight measure of

control back.

Every time I climb Mt Whitney, I wonder it even more.

-

[Guest guest]

i really think it has to do with the status of our OWN immune systems,

sharon......but i could be wrong, who knows? i talked to a mold doc on

sunday for 45 mins., & he informed me if i do NOT get this out of my body,

it'll continue to attack me...as in, i'll be dx'd with MS, Lupus, or other

" interesting " diseases. the doc's website is www.nutrimedical.com, for your

info.

take care,

victoria

Re: [] Re: Advice: Mold Lifestyling is a Balancing

Act- Part 2

>I have a question for you all. Why do you think it is that some of us are

> able to basically go about our business after being so sick, while for

> others,

> only extreme avoidance allows them to be healthy?

>

> I have often wondered this question. I can go just about anywhere I

> want.

> I don't have to plan my life around if there is mold there or not. I very

> rarely take any kind of medicine. Do I sometimes not feel my best,

> swell, sleep

> for a couple of days, get a rash? Yes. But those occurances are

> becoming

> progressively more and more rare.

>

> So why is that? What is different about my situation than others who

> continually and very easily become ill? Is there a possibility that

> frequent minor

> re-exposures cause a built up tolerance?

>

> I really have no idea on this. Does anyone?

>

> Sharon

>

>

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