RE: Sleep issues and Menopause

[Guest guest]

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One of the traditional trainings for hormone-related issues is SMR training up

at C4 or Cz.

It is very useful, if possible, to see what the EEG looks like--specifically how

it changes--during hot flashes as well. It is sometimes then possible to train

to stabilize those frequencies.

Pete

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> From: Dollschnieder <drdollschnieder@...>

> Date: 2006/06/29 Thu PM 03:33:12 EDT

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> Subject: Sleep issues and Menopause

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> I also was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for women who have sleep

issues secondary to their " personal summers and winters " that occur during

sleep. I have two family members who are struggling with this issue and cannot

take most of the medications that are typically suggested, and don't want to.

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FYI- the BFE (bfe.org), from its research link, has a study on self-regulation and menopause. http://www.bfe.org/board.html donna Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote: , One of the traditional trainings for hormone-related issues is SMR training up at C4 or Cz. It is very useful, if possible, to see what the EEG looks like--specifically how it changes--during hot flashes as well. It is sometimes then possible to train to stabilize those frequencies. Pete > > From: Dollschnieder <drdollschnieder > > Date: 2006/06/29 Thu PM 03:33:12 EDT > > Subject: Sleep issues and Menopause > > I also was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for women who have sleep issues secondary to their "personal summers and winters" that occur during sleep. I have two family members who are struggling with this issue and cannot take most of the medications that are typically suggested, and don't want to. > > > > > > Donna Troisi, LCSW-C 240-281-8319 dmt_lcsw@...

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[Guest guest]

FYI- the BFE (bfe.org), from its research link, has a study on self-regulation and menopause. http://www.bfe.org/board.html donna Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote: , One of the traditional trainings for hormone-related issues is SMR training up at C4 or Cz. It is very useful, if possible, to see what the EEG looks like--specifically how it changes--during hot flashes as well. It is sometimes then possible to train to stabilize those frequencies. Pete > > From: Dollschnieder <drdollschnieder > > Date: 2006/06/29 Thu PM 03:33:12 EDT > > Subject: Sleep issues and Menopause > > I also was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for women who have sleep issues secondary to their "personal summers and winters" that occur during sleep. I have two family members who are struggling with this issue and cannot take most of the medications that are typically suggested, and don't want to. > > > > > > Donna Troisi, LCSW-C 240-281-8319 dmt_lcsw@...

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Well in my experience the EEG goes totally wacko, unusable during hotflashes. Delta and total signal off the chart.

Foxx

Sleep issues and Menopause> > I also was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for women who have sleep issues secondary to their "personal summers and winters" that occur during sleep. I have two family members who are struggling with this issue and cannot take most of the medications that are typically suggested, and don't want to.> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

That's what I've seen too (N=1). I am supposing it is EMG; no help there.

Rah

"Well in my experience the EEG goes totally wacko, unusable during hotflashes. Delta and total signal off the chart.

Foxx"

[Guest guest]

I don't know that it is EMG. It starts before sweating, so I don't think it is sweat. I think it starts before the temperature increase as well.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rah Wheelihan-DasherSent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: Sleep issues and Menopause

That's what I've seen too (N=1). I am supposing it is EMG; no help there.

Rah

"Well in my experience the EEG goes totally wacko, unusable during hotflashes. Delta and total signal off the chart.

Foxx"

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Foxx, do you think it might be muscle artifact? The subject can't tell over here; she's too uncomfortable.

Rah

From: "Foxx" <foxx@...>Reply- To: < >Subject: RE: Sleep issues and MenopauseDate: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:58:01 -0600

I don't know that it is EMG. It starts before sweating, so I don't think it is sweat. I think it starts before the temperature increase as well.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rah Wheelihan-DasherSent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: Sleep issues and Menopause

That's what I've seen too (N=1). I am supposing it is EMG; no help there.

Rah

"Well in my experience the EEG goes totally wacko, unusable during hotflashes. Delta and total signal off the chart.

Foxx"

[Guest guest]

I've seen the same as Foxx, and the patient was quiet in the chair. I was astonished and asked what happened. She told me that she had a hotflash.

Letty

RE: Sleep issues and MenopauseDate: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:58:01 -0600

I don't know that it is EMG. It starts before sweating, so I don't think it is sweat. I think it starts before the temperature increase as well.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rah Wheelihan-DasherSent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: Sleep issues and Menopause

That's what I've seen too (N=1). I am supposing it is EMG; no help there.

Rah

"Well in my experience the EEG goes totally wacko, unusable during hotflashes. Delta and total signal off the chart.

Foxx"

[Guest guest]

That's exactly the same as has happened here. I only assumed the brain didn't do all that activity. Does brain activity really do that?

I don't know if it's the same, but I imagine that when I had hot flashes during labor if I had been forced by a rrational mind to keep my clothes on I think I would have had muscle tension even if it were not observable, no matter how much I tried to relax.

Rah

From: "lettydekker" <lettydekker@...>Reply- To: < >Subject: Re: Sleep issues and MenopauseDate: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:27:43 +0200

I've seen the same as Foxx, and the patient was quiet in the chair. I was astonished and asked what happened. She told me that she had a hotflash.

Letty

RE: Sleep issues and MenopauseDate: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:58:01 -0600

I don't know that it is EMG. It starts before sweating, so I don't think it is sweat. I think it starts before the temperature increase as well.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rah Wheelihan-DasherSent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: Sleep issues and Menopause

That's what I've seen too (N=1). I am supposing it is EMG; no help there.

Rah

"Well in my experience the EEG goes totally wacko, unusable during hotflashes. Delta and total signal off the chart.

Foxx"

[Guest guest]

Well in my case, it doesn't look like muscle artifact. The signal is wandering way up and down slowly.

Foxx

RE: Sleep issues and MenopauseDate: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:58:01 -0600

I don't know that it is EMG. It starts before sweating, so I don't think it is sweat. I think it starts before the temperature increase as well.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rah Wheelihan-DasherSent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: Sleep issues and Menopause

That's what I've seen too (N=1). I am supposing it is EMG; no help there.

Rah

"Well in my experience the EEG goes totally wacko, unusable during hotflashes. Delta and total signal off the chart.

Foxx"

[Guest guest]

Rah, sometimes I have hotflashes, but I'm used to it and they are for me not overwhelming, i'm not sweating , (anyway I don't feel sweating and it is not observable for myself or others), The hot flash can be seen at my face. I am nearly sure that I'm not moving. In that way I saw it happening in the session by my patient.

Letty

RE: Sleep issues and MenopauseDate: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:58:01 -0600

I don't know that it is EMG. It starts before sweating, so I don't think it is sweat. I think it starts before the temperature increase as well.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Rah Wheelihan-DasherSent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: Sleep issues and Menopause

That's what I've seen too (N=1). I am supposing it is EMG; no help there.

Rah

"Well in my experience the EEG goes totally wacko, unusable during hotflashes. Delta and total signal off the chart.

Foxx"

[Guest guest]

Foxx, Rah and Letty,

Can anyone identify a pattern PRIOR to the actual hotflash?

Pete

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> From: " Rah Wheelihan-Dasher " <wheelihan82@...>

> Date: 2006/07/01 Sat PM 06:36:25 EDT

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It's too bad I didn't make notations. I cannot be positive while

reviewing sessions what I'm looking at. There's probably not more

than one or two hot flashes per session, and there are more than that

many EEG disruptions.

Are you saying we would train according to the EEG pattern noted just

preceding the hot flash?

Rah

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> Foxx, Rah and Letty,

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> Can anyone identify a pattern PRIOR to the actual hotflash?

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> Pete

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Best thing would be to have been recording the session ahead of time.

This will take some detective work, as one would have to record sessions at all sites and wait for the hot flash.

Foxx

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of RahSent: Monday, July 03, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Sleep issues and Menopause

It's too bad I didn't make notations. I cannot be positive while reviewing sessions what I'm looking at. There's probably not more than one or two hot flashes per session, and there are more than that many EEG disruptions. Are you saying we would train according to the EEG pattern noted just preceding the hot flash?Rah>> Foxx, Rah and Letty,> > Can anyone identify a pattern PRIOR to the actual hotflash?> > Pete

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If you can identify the event that precedes the event, then training to block it

may avoid the hotflash, since it doesn't sound feasible to train during it.

If you are using BE, you have a raw EEG sample of the entire session, so you can

run it back through BE, identify the spots where the hot flash occurs (should be

a pretty major disruption in the signal from what you've said) and then take a

look at the pattern preceding those.

Pete

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> From: " Rah " <wheelihan82@...>

> Date: 2006/07/03 Mon AM 10:43:30 EDT

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> Subject: Re: Sleep issues and Menopause

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> It's too bad I didn't make notations. I cannot be positive while

> reviewing sessions what I'm looking at. There's probably not more

> than one or two hot flashes per session, and there are more than that

> many EEG disruptions.

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> Are you saying we would train according to the EEG pattern noted just

> preceding the hot flash?

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