If mold illness is so common, why did you say it was impossible?

[Guest guest]

When " CFS " broke out in Incline Village, the argument that everyone

used to try and destroy our credibility and make the epidemic

disappear was that no-one had ever seen such an illness, therefore it

couldn't exist.

But after a number of years, people started to adopt a

strange " reverse " strategy of saying that CFS deserved no special

attention because the condition is " normal " and " common " .

Once they changed from " impossible " to " common " , they could then say

that the only thing that had changed was the intensity of our

complaining.

Sometimes the very people who said it couldn't exist because they had

never seen it before are the very ones who now claim that it has

always existed but is nothing special.

We are seeing the same thing with " mold illness " .

All the people who faced a total wall of denial, with virtually

hundreds of doctors and ALL people insisting that no such thing could

be possible are now starting to say that it is no big deal because it

is so common.

This is the strategy that attempts to change your " Impossible

illness " into the realm of mental illness as a result of somatization

over something that is common but minor - except in your hysterical

mind.

It is an argument that doctors resort to when they wish to avoid

examining an emerging phenomenon.

Those of us who watched mold illness go from " virtually impossible "

to " So common it isn't worth considering " can see this happening, and

can point to countless examples of total denial as evidence that their

arguments are contradictory and an excuse for their disinterest in

this type of complaint.

We should not let doctors get away with this strategy again.

" If mold illness is so common, then why did you say it was

impossible? "

-

[Guest guest]

>>On Behalf Of erikmoldwarrior

This is the strategy that attempts to change your " Impossible

illness " into the realm of mental illness as a result of somatization

over something that is common but minor - except in your hysterical

mind.

It is an argument that doctors resort to when they wish to avoid

examining an emerging phenomenon.....

We should not let doctors get away with this strategy again. ->>

Thank you . I totally agree with you.

" We should not let doctors get away with this strategy again "

What do you suggest we do to not allow the doctors to get away this with

their denial?

Rosie

[Guest guest]

your exactly right

,

>

>

> When " CFS " broke out in Incline Village, the argument that

everyone

> used to try and destroy our credibility and make the epidemic

> disappear was that no-one had ever seen such an illness, therefore

it

> couldn't exist.

>

> But after a number of years, people started to adopt a

> strange " reverse " strategy of saying that CFS deserved no special

> attention because the condition is " normal " and " common " .

> Once they changed from " impossible " to " common " , they could then

say

> that the only thing that had changed was the intensity of our

> complaining.

>

> Sometimes the very people who said it couldn't exist because they

had

> never seen it before are the very ones who now claim that it has

> always existed but is nothing special.

>

> We are seeing the same thing with " mold illness " .

> All the people who faced a total wall of denial, with virtually

> hundreds of doctors and ALL people insisting that no such thing

could

> be possible are now starting to say that it is no big deal because

it

> is so common.

> This is the strategy that attempts to change your " Impossible

> illness " into the realm of mental illness as a result of

somatization

> over something that is common but minor - except in your hysterical

> mind.

> It is an argument that doctors resort to when they wish to avoid

> examining an emerging phenomenon.

> Those of us who watched mold illness go from " virtually

impossible "

> to " So common it isn't worth considering " can see this happening,

and

> can point to countless examples of total denial as evidence that

their

> arguments are contradictory and an excuse for their disinterest in

> this type of complaint.

> We should not let doctors get away with this strategy again.

> " If mold illness is so common, then why did you say it was

> impossible? "

> -

>

[Guest guest]

What that situation indicates is that they (dishonestly and

unprofessionally) have a desired 'result' in mind (perhaps no legal

liability) and they are tailoring what they say to result (they think)

in that situation.

But this strategy can be exposed because it always fallsthe same way..

(if it was a random situation, the distribution would be random)

Its just like in politics. When you have a group of covert-aggressive

politicians who have a certain result in their mind as what they want

to achieve, but they can't actually say that, instead they pursue all

sorts of other, seemingly unrelated strategies that will (what a

coincidence!) result in funneling money and power away from group X

and to group Y, and nomatter what the situation, the result is always

taking away from group X and giving to group Y, sooner or later, its

obvious.

And the entire system loses credibility in a very serious way..

[Guest guest]

true, and something else I've came across is doctors not wanting to

be involved in a lawsuit, and by doctoring you they fear haveing to

get summoned to court, and medical malpratice is aways theri first

consern.

>

> What that situation indicates is that they (dishonestly and

> unprofessionally) have a desired 'result' in mind (perhaps no legal

> liability) and they are tailoring what they say to result (they

think)

> in that situation.

>

> But this strategy can be exposed because it always fallsthe same

way..

> (if it was a random situation, the distribution would be random)

>

> Its just like in politics. When you have a group of covert-

aggressive

> politicians who have a certain result in their mind as what they

want

> to achieve, but they can't actually say that, instead they pursue

all

> sorts of other, seemingly unrelated strategies that will (what a

> coincidence!) result in funneling money and power away from group X

> and to group Y, and nomatter what the situation, the result is

always

> taking away from group X and giving to group Y, sooner or later, its

> obvious.

>

> And the entire system loses credibility in a very serious way..

>

[Guest guest]

We should not let doctors get away with this strategy again.HUMmmmmmmm

I agree and also feel it shouldn't have happen in the first place it has

grown............like a mountain just because things are worese much worse now

it's the Air-Condition are we going to p[ass over that as well? Hidding this too

it affect us all no matter where you come from. and it's like mold by the time

you figure it out well we know what mold has caused.

Elvira

RE: [] " If mold illness is so common, why did you say it

was impossible? "

>>On Behalf Of erikmoldwarrior

This is the strategy that attempts to change your " Impossible

illness " into the realm of mental illness as a result of somatization

over something that is common but minor - except in your hysterical

mind.

It is an argument that doctors resort to when they wish to avoid

examining an emerging phenomenon.....

We should not let doctors get away with this strategy again. ->>

Thank you . I totally agree with you.

" We should not let doctors get away with this strategy again "

What do you suggest we do to not allow the doctors to get away this with

their denial?

Rosie

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

What do you suggest we do to not allow the doctors to get away this

with their denial?

-Rosie

What I REALLY wanted is " Mold Warriors " printed on a baseball bat so

that it would make a better impression on a doctors brain.

But in lieu of getting wretched muck all over a perfectly good

baseball bat, I think that every mold victim should carry a copy of

Mold Warriors to shove in their doctors face.

" Don't YOU tell me mold illness is common and minor until you have my

HLA DR and Complement Activation Factor results back! "

The other thing I would like is to see support groups that really

support each other.

Just imagine the look on a doctors face if a " hysterical mold

complainer " showed up with a dozen friends all carrying a copy of Mold

Warriors.

Priceless!

-

[Guest guest]

>>On Behalf Of erikmoldwarrior

>>What I REALLY wanted is " Mold Warriors " printed on a baseball bat so

that it would make a better impression on a doctors brain.>>

Giggles that would be a bit too much for some of us; however why couldn't we

find a company to supply us with baseball caps and T-shirts with the logo

" mold warriors " and we start wearing them in public to generate questions?

Lol if anyone is interested I could check around for costs. Think for some

of us with MCS also organic T-shirts with safe printing would be wonderful.

Let me know folks if anyone is interested. KC could this be done if there is

an interest?

>>But in lieu of getting wretched muck all over a perfectly good

baseball bat, >>

and in lieu of getting arrested and having to spend a night in a moldy jail

full of chemicals........

>>I think that every mold victim should carry a copy of

Mold Warriors to shove in their doctors face.

" Don't YOU tell me mold illness is common and minor until you have my

HLA DR and Complement Activation Factor results back! "

I think that's a great idea!!!!!!! Wondering if we could get a group

discount on the books if enough of us would be interested. I think some on

very limited income don't yet have their own copy and couldn't afford

extras. Anyone have connections with Dr. Shoemaker to see if we could get a

group discount if others would be interested?

>>The other thing I would like is to see support groups that really

support each other.

Just imagine the look on a doctors face if a " hysterical mold

complainer " showed up with a dozen friends all carrying a copy of Mold

Warriors. Priceless!>>

There is power in numbers. Totally agree. Now let's see who I know in my

city that would go back with me to the neurologist whose asst. told me

" folks like you need a good psychiatrist?

You are right , we all need to unite for the benefit of all today and

future mold warriors rather than competing or letting our emotions get in

the way. Best to start with this group as we are doing; sharing our

experiences, our symptoms, supporting each other and brainstorming.

We can unite and understand we all have our own talents, knowledge and

resources and don't need to know everything about everything. Just be the

best in one area and share our knowledge. I want to focus on nutrition and

alternative protocols to help others; some are activists, some are great

with mold remedial, etc.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

I think what needs to be done is that we need a set of test's that can

confirm our illness is real beyond any doubt. Pet Scans for abnormal

activity, immune disfunction test's that focus on antibody responses

and also look for typical factors common in other immune related

diseases (lupus, ms, als, etc., metabolic rates, heart palpitations,

respiratory distress (similar to the babies in Cleveland that had

bleeding in their lungs from mold) anything out of the ordinary.

Look for past exposure histories of toxic chemicals test for those.

compare us to other syndromes like gws, agent orange etc.

Because Dr's bank so heavily on psychological components let's humor

them and test for this. It would be nice if they would take this

diagnosis as seriously as any other diagnosis. I never understood why

a Dr can be sued for malpractice if he misses cancer but if they miss

tens of thousands of deathly sick people with a patently obvious

disease because they banked on a hunch! No accountability here??????

Really??

Identify the specific species of mold that patients react to through

double blind testing and patients response.

Measure brain wave activity of patients with the most advanced means

available not just some outdated 50 year old technology.

Measure brain chemical activity and anomalies that set moldies apart

from general population

stress test's

The majority of these test's need to be performed twice, once when the

patient is at a baseline, and again when the patient is exposed.

These test's need to be done under the scrutiny of a unbiased third

party that can verify they were done correctly and not falsified.

Also forensic data from autopsies of people that suffered from years

mold exposure can glean some light on what damage goes on internally

inside our bodies. Some of this information might be able to help

diagnose mold reactivity in a living patient and help us understand

the dynamics of the disease.

I have never doubted if I can feel so miserable that I feel like I

have been poisoned and I am dying, it's got to be patently obvious to

someone with all of the technology 21st century medicine has to offer.

How can it be possible that this disease has gone

undiagnosed?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I am a high school drop out if I can figure this much out what does

that say about the Rocket Surgeons out their that say I have a

psychological problem?

Where are all the results to test's like these that can be easily

performed? If they don't exist how come?

Just a small red flag for doubting 's out their. It's one

thing to be so open minded your brains fall out the back of your head

but it's just as bad if not worse to be so closed minded that you

discount everything without a little wee wee bit of thought. And this

includes not trusting authorities as if history has not proved this

fact time and time again.

[Guest guest]

Rosie & Members,

T-shirts are available and all the information that you need, along

with bumper stickers and magnets for your cars, they are in the

files.

I could contact the company and see if we can design one with Mold

Warriors, which I like too. Batball caps, t-shirts, but I do like

the thought of s, a bat.... lol

KC

>

>

> >>On Behalf Of erikmoldwarrior

>

>

> >>What I REALLY wanted is " Mold Warriors " printed on a baseball

bat so

> that it would make a better impression on a doctors brain.>>

>

> Giggles that would be a bit too much for some of us; however why

couldn't we

> find a company to supply us with baseball caps and T-shirts with

the logo

> " mold warriors " and we start wearing them in public to generate

questions?

> Lol if anyone is interested I could check around for costs. Think

for some

> of us with MCS also organic T-shirts with safe printing would be

wonderful.

> Let me know folks if anyone is interested. KC could this be done

if there is

> an interest?

>

> >>But in lieu of getting wretched muck all over a perfectly good

> baseball bat, >>

>

> and in lieu of getting arrested and having to spend a night in a

moldy jail

> full of chemicals........

>

> >>I think that every mold victim should carry a copy of

> Mold Warriors to shove in their doctors face.

> " Don't YOU tell me mold illness is common and minor until you have

my

> HLA DR and Complement Activation Factor results back! "

>

> I think that's a great idea!!!!!!! Wondering if we could get a

group

> discount on the books if enough of us would be interested. I

think some on

> very limited income don't yet have their own copy and couldn't

afford

> extras. Anyone have connections with Dr. Shoemaker to see if we

could get a

> group discount if others would be interested?

>

> >>The other thing I would like is to see support groups that

really

> support each other.

> Just imagine the look on a doctors face if a " hysterical mold

> complainer " showed up with a dozen friends all carrying a copy of

Mold

> Warriors. Priceless!>>

>

> There is power in numbers. Totally agree. Now let's see who I

know in my

> city that would go back with me to the neurologist whose asst.

told me

> " folks like you need a good psychiatrist?

> You are right , we all need to unite for the benefit of all

today and

> future mold warriors rather than competing or letting our emotions

get in

> the way. Best to start with this group as we are doing; sharing

our

> experiences, our symptoms, supporting each other and

brainstorming.

>

> We can unite and understand we all have our own talents, knowledge

and

> resources and don't need to know everything about everything.

Just be the

> best in one area and share our knowledge. I want to focus on

nutrition and

> alternative protocols to help others; some are activists, some are

great

> with mold remedial, etc.

>

> Rosie

>

[Guest guest]

,

I agree with most of what you have to say. The tests are available

and have been for a long time, not speaking of mold related

illnesses or exposure, but have been accepted for many other

autoimmune disorders. They just don't accept these tests for mold

exposure, convienently. These tests are performed by Dr.Marinkovich,

Dr.Gray, Dr.Shoemaker, Dr.Croft, and many, many others, but these

tests are being refused by the insurance companies because they are

not FDA approved for this condition. But yet they are approved for

many others.

I have seen pet scans and spect scans that show abnormal results,

but some of the courts will not accept these for this again, type of

condition, claiming it's experimental. And we don't understand

enought about them. Again, you don't have the same response from the

medical industry/insurance companies questioning these tests for

other medical conditions. You don't see this in courtrooms, just

mold exposures. Almost all medications that are on the market are

now prescibed for a condition/illness other than what it was

originally manufactured for and yet we (our doctors) have to beg,

and jump through hoops to try to medications approved that will help

us. Up to this point they have roadblocks put in their way each time.

Our courts/judges are going against (not all the time) expert

medical opinions, evaluations, research that are either treating or

seeing this condition constantly. We (meaning in my case have been

through many psycholgical evaulations and they are all consistant

with the results,(some independent)that there has been a toxic

exposure, not necessarily to what. All were in agreement, EXCEPT for

the " shrink " that the defense repeatedly uses. His opinion, she is a

liar and a fake.... It sounds like this guy needs help and should

get help somewhere soon.

KC

>

> I think what needs to be done is that we need a set of test's that

can

> confirm our illness is real beyond any doubt. Pet Scans for

abnormal

> activity, immune disfunction test's that focus on antibody

responses

> and also look for typical factors common in other immune related

> diseases (lupus, ms, als, etc., metabolic rates, heart

palpitations,

> respiratory distress (similar to the babies in Cleveland that had

> bleeding in their lungs from mold) anything out of the ordinary.

>

> Look for past exposure histories of toxic chemicals test for those.

>

> compare us to other syndromes like gws, agent orange etc.

>

> Because Dr's bank so heavily on psychological components let's

humor

> them and test for this. It would be nice if they would take this

> diagnosis as seriously as any other diagnosis. I never understood

why

> a Dr can be sued for malpractice if he misses cancer but if they

miss

> tens of thousands of deathly sick people with a patently obvious

> disease because they banked on a hunch! No accountability

here??????

> Really??

>

> Identify the specific species of mold that patients react to

through

> double blind testing and patients response.

>

> Measure brain wave activity of patients with the most advanced

means

> available not just some outdated 50 year old technology.

>

> Measure brain chemical activity and anomalies that set moldies

apart

> from general population

>

> stress test's

>

> The majority of these test's need to be performed twice, once when

the

> patient is at a baseline, and again when the patient is exposed.

> These test's need to be done under the scrutiny of a unbiased

third

> party that can verify they were done correctly and not falsified.

>

> Also forensic data from autopsies of people that suffered from

years

> mold exposure can glean some light on what damage goes on

internally

> inside our bodies. Some of this information might be able to help

> diagnose mold reactivity in a living patient and help us understand

> the dynamics of the disease.

>

> I have never doubted if I can feel so miserable that I feel like I

> have been poisoned and I am dying, it's got to be patently

obvious to

> someone with all of the technology 21st century medicine has to

offer.

>

> How can it be possible that this disease has gone

>

undiagnosed??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

???

>

> I am a high school drop out if I can figure this much out what

does

> that say about the Rocket Surgeons out their that say I have a

> psychological problem?

>

> Where are all the results to test's like these that can be easily

> performed? If they don't exist how come?

>

> Just a small red flag for doubting 's out their. It's one

> thing to be so open minded your brains fall out the back of your

head

> but it's just as bad if not worse to be so closed minded that you

> discount everything without a little wee wee bit of thought. And

this

> includes not trusting authorities as if history has not proved this

> fact time and time again.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

exactly, and I think that starting with doctor would be at the

bottom of the chain and they no dought would pass the blame on up

right to the reason behind this. and no ones going to do a damn thing

until we do

something

>

> I think what needs to be done is that we need a set of test's that

can

> confirm our illness is real beyond any doubt. Pet Scans for

abnormal

> activity, immune disfunction test's that focus on antibody responses

> and also look for typical factors common in other immune related

> diseases (lupus, ms, als, etc., metabolic rates, heart palpitations,

> respiratory distress (similar to the babies in Cleveland that had

> bleeding in their lungs from mold) anything out of the ordinary.

>

> Look for past exposure histories of toxic chemicals test for those.

>

> compare us to other syndromes like gws, agent orange etc.

>

> Because Dr's bank so heavily on psychological components let's humor

> them and test for this. It would be nice if they would take this

> diagnosis as seriously as any other diagnosis. I never understood

why

> a Dr can be sued for malpractice if he misses cancer but if they

miss

> tens of thousands of deathly sick people with a patently obvious

> disease because they banked on a hunch! No accountability

here??????

> Really??

>

> Identify the specific species of mold that patients react to through

> double blind testing and patients response.

>

> Measure brain wave activity of patients with the most advanced means

> available not just some outdated 50 year old technology.

>

> Measure brain chemical activity and anomalies that set moldies apart

> from general population

>

> stress test's

>

> The majority of these test's need to be performed twice, once when

the

> patient is at a baseline, and again when the patient is exposed.

> These test's need to be done under the scrutiny of a unbiased third

> party that can verify they were done correctly and not falsified.

>

> Also forensic data from autopsies of people that suffered from years

> mold exposure can glean some light on what damage goes on

internally

> inside our bodies. Some of this information might be able to help

> diagnose mold reactivity in a living patient and help us understand

> the dynamics of the disease.

>

> I have never doubted if I can feel so miserable that I feel like I

> have been poisoned and I am dying, it's got to be patently obvious

to

> someone with all of the technology 21st century medicine has to

offer.

>

> How can it be possible that this disease has gone

>

undiagnosed???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

??

>

> I am a high school drop out if I can figure this much out what

does

> that say about the Rocket Surgeons out their that say I have a

> psychological problem?

>

> Where are all the results to test's like these that can be easily

> performed? If they don't exist how come?

>

> Just a small red flag for doubting 's out their. It's one

> thing to be so open minded your brains fall out the back of your

head

> but it's just as bad if not worse to be so closed minded that you

> discount everything without a little wee wee bit of thought. And

this

> includes not trusting authorities as if history has not proved this

> fact time and time again.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

KC, this makes me think of Dr. Croft, his children got

him a sword for x-mas, he said it was so he could slice threw all

this crap(refering to the BS going on with the egnoring of toxic mold

illness. some of the experts are as aggervatated as us.

> >

> >

> > >>On Behalf Of erikmoldwarrior

> >

> >

> > >>What I REALLY wanted is " Mold Warriors " printed on a baseball

> bat so

> > that it would make a better impression on a doctors brain.>>

> >

> > Giggles that would be a bit too much for some of us; however why

> couldn't we

> > find a company to supply us with baseball caps and T-shirts with

> the logo

> > " mold warriors " and we start wearing them in public to generate

> questions?

> > Lol if anyone is interested I could check around for costs. Think

> for some

> > of us with MCS also organic T-shirts with safe printing would be

> wonderful.

> > Let me know folks if anyone is interested. KC could this be done

> if there is

> > an interest?

> >

> > >>But in lieu of getting wretched muck all over a perfectly good

> > baseball bat, >>

> >

> > and in lieu of getting arrested and having to spend a night in a

> moldy jail

> > full of chemicals........

> >

> > >>I think that every mold victim should carry a copy of

> > Mold Warriors to shove in their doctors face.

> > " Don't YOU tell me mold illness is common and minor until you

have

> my

> > HLA DR and Complement Activation Factor results back! "

> >

> > I think that's a great idea!!!!!!! Wondering if we could get a

> group

> > discount on the books if enough of us would be interested. I

> think some on

> > very limited income don't yet have their own copy and couldn't

> afford

> > extras. Anyone have connections with Dr. Shoemaker to see if we

> could get a

> > group discount if others would be interested?

> >

> > >>The other thing I would like is to see support groups that

> really

> > support each other.

> > Just imagine the look on a doctors face if a " hysterical mold

> > complainer " showed up with a dozen friends all carrying a copy of

> Mold

> > Warriors. Priceless!>>

> >

> > There is power in numbers. Totally agree. Now let's see who I

> know in my

> > city that would go back with me to the neurologist whose asst.

> told me

> > " folks like you need a good psychiatrist?

> > You are right , we all need to unite for the benefit of all

> today and

> > future mold warriors rather than competing or letting our

emotions

> get in

> > the way. Best to start with this group as we are doing; sharing

> our

> > experiences, our symptoms, supporting each other and

> brainstorming.

> >

> > We can unite and understand we all have our own talents,

knowledge

> and

> > resources and don't need to know everything about everything.

> Just be the

> > best in one area and share our knowledge. I want to focus on

> nutrition and

> > alternative protocols to help others; some are activists, some

are

> great

> > with mold remedial, etc.

> >

> > Rosie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

<antares41- 41@> wrote:

I am a high school drop out, if I can figure this much out, what

does that say about the Rocket Surgeons out there that say I have a

psychological problem?

It's one thing to be so open minded your brains fall out the back of

your head but it's just as bad if not worse to be so closed minded

that you discount everything without a little wee wee bit of thought.

And this includes not trusting authorities as if history has not

proved this fact time and time again.

-

That " unscientific skepticalism " on the part of doctors is PRECISELY

the problem.

Doctors think that it is " unscientific " for them to take anything into

account that has not been " proven " .

" Proven " , to them, means " proven by a scientist " and has nothing to do

with actual reality. It just means that a " peer " has to tell them not

to burn their ass by leaning against hot stove. Anything from a lay-

person is just anecdotal evidence until a doctor personally burns his

butt and " proves " that the stove is actually hot - and relays this to

his colleagues in the form of a peer reviewed paper.

That's why I wrote the following warning about the psychological

state that prevents doctors from coming to grips with reality:

Epidemic of Mental Illness in Doctors

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The emergence of Medically Unexplained Illnesses

has revealed an epidemic of behavioral problems and

personality disorders in doctors.

Patients expressing unfamiliar complaints to their physicians

often induce the, " It's All In Your Head " (AIYH) or the " That's

Impossible " response in doctors suffering from these behavioral

problems and personality disorders.

Physicians who manifest the metaphysical belief system of " If we

don't know about it, then it doesn't exist " are suffering from a

mental defect or psychological condition known as " Doctors with

Unexplained Medical Beliefs " or D.U.M.B.

DUMB doctors are comprised of two categories that are

characterized by those who are feigning to be DUMB for

monetary gain: " Medicalingering " and those who are not in

possession of sufficient information to render intelligent

diagnoses: " Factlessitious Disorder " .

Physicians who are predisposed to this condition place an

inordinate emphasis on theories of psychological causality for

virtually any unfamiliar complaints that are presented to them.

This somatiform obsession with psychological etiology,

" Psychosomatization Disorder " or " Psychologizing " is a

distinctive characteristic of the mental illness and should be

considered a warning sign that the individual is not rational and

may in fact be DUMB.

DUMB disorder may be concomitant but should not be confused

with Signs of Thoroughly Umistakable Physician Intelligence

Deficiency or " S.T.U.P.I.D. " since a STUPID physician is

uniformly incompetent while a DUMB doctor is only mentally

paralyzed into " psychologizing " by unfamiliar symptoms and

complaints.

An immediate investigation is warranted to assess the

prevalence of DUMB and STUPID doctors and to determine the

impact that physicians suffering from these mental defects have

on the health care system and their patients.

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[Guest guest]

so true, so true, right on

> I am a high school drop out, if I can figure this much out, what

> does that say about the Rocket Surgeons out there that say I have a

> psychological problem?

> It's one thing to be so open minded your brains fall out the back

of

> your head but it's just as bad if not worse to be so closed minded

> that you discount everything without a little wee wee bit of

thought.

> And this includes not trusting authorities as if history has not

> proved this fact time and time again.

> -

>

> That " unscientific skepticalism " on the part of doctors is

PRECISELY

> the problem.

> Doctors think that it is " unscientific " for them to take anything

into

> account that has not been " proven " .

> " Proven " , to them, means " proven by a scientist " and has nothing to

do

> with actual reality. It just means that a " peer " has to tell them

not

> to burn their ass by leaning against hot stove. Anything from a lay-

> person is just anecdotal evidence until a doctor personally burns

his

> butt and " proves " that the stove is actually hot - and relays this

to

> his colleagues in the form of a peer reviewed paper.

> That's why I wrote the following warning about the psychological

> state that prevents doctors from coming to grips with reality:

>

> Epidemic of Mental Illness in Doctors

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> The emergence of Medically Unexplained Illnesses

> has revealed an epidemic of behavioral problems and

> personality disorders in doctors.

>

> Patients expressing unfamiliar complaints to their physicians

> often induce the, " It's All In Your Head " (AIYH) or the " That's

> Impossible " response in doctors suffering from these behavioral

> problems and personality disorders.

>

> Physicians who manifest the metaphysical belief system of " If we

> don't know about it, then it doesn't exist " are suffering from a

> mental defect or psychological condition known as " Doctors with

> Unexplained Medical Beliefs " or D.U.M.B.

>

> DUMB doctors are comprised of two categories that are

> characterized by those who are feigning to be DUMB for

> monetary gain: " Medicalingering " and those who are not in

> possession of sufficient information to render intelligent

> diagnoses: " Factlessitious Disorder " .

>

> Physicians who are predisposed to this condition place an

> inordinate emphasis on theories of psychological causality for

> virtually any unfamiliar complaints that are presented to them.

> This somatiform obsession with psychological etiology,

> " Psychosomatization Disorder " or " Psychologizing " is a

> distinctive characteristic of the mental illness and should be

> considered a warning sign that the individual is not rational and

> may in fact be DUMB.

>

> DUMB disorder may be concomitant but should not be confused

> with Signs of Thoroughly Umistakable Physician Intelligence

> Deficiency or " S.T.U.P.I.D. " since a STUPID physician is

> uniformly incompetent while a DUMB doctor is only mentally

> paralyzed into " psychologizing " by unfamiliar symptoms and

> complaints.

>

> An immediate investigation is warranted to assess the

> prevalence of DUMB and STUPID doctors and to determine the

> impact that physicians suffering from these mental defects have

> on the health care system and their patients.

>

> -

>