Guest guest Posted October 30, 2000 Report Share Posted October 30, 2000 Anton Sevilla <anton14@...> wrote: > Honestly all this benching isn't helping my sprint. Ideas? You're squatting and deadlifting too, right? As I recall, you're cross-training as a powerlifter. You might want to look at the more explosive Olympic lifts, or you might want to perform the squats and deads more explosively. Or you could try various cable and elastic band exercises. Matt Madsen __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2000 Report Share Posted October 30, 2000 Several years ago in the 70's there was a gentleman named Orange, running Fullback for Oklahoma State University. Unfortunately, during his sophomore year he tore, I believe, an ACL. During his rehabilitation, he visited an old coach from his intermediate school days named Hollie Evett, a Powerlifter of no little skill in those days. Hollie had doing several different types of squats, high bar, wide stance, narrow stance, etc. I personally saw double 300 Kg without a suit or belt at a body weight of about 107.5 KG (around 235#'s) Hollie also had doing incline squats. This was a movement done on a rough cut reinforced 2 X 12. Using only body weight the lifter moves through a range of motion from 1/4 to 3/4 squat, never really dropping into a full squat and never standing erect. was never able to cut like he did before, but he did reduce his 40 yard dash time by about 0.2 to 0.3 seconds. I also used (and currently use) this movement to rehabilitate my knee after my parachute malfunction working up to 10 sets of 100 reps before I started squatting with weight. I find that it is very similar to the one legged squats which I saw do from a bleacher. I also still run a 5.0 - 40 at the age of 50. Just a bit of dusty covered by cobwebs trivia. -----Original Message----- Anton Sevilla <anton14@...> wrote: <Honestly all this benching isn't helping my sprint. Ideas? > From: Matt Madsen<mmadsen@...> You're squatting and deadlifting too, right? As I recall, you're cross-training as a powerlifter. You might want to look at the more explosive Olympic lifts, or you might want to perform the squats and deads more explosively. Or you could try various cable and elastic band exercises. Matt Madsen __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2000 Report Share Posted October 30, 2000 On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Matt Madsen wrote: > You're squatting and deadlifting too, right? As I recall, you're > cross-training as a powerlifter. Yup yup! But that's kinda sidetracked now that I have so little time left til competition week. =( > You might want to look at the more explosive Olympic lifts, or you > might want to perform the squats and deads more explosively. Or you > could try various cable and elastic band exercises. I'm currently doing power cleans, squat cleans -> explosive front squat. Got other ideas? And what do you suggest with the cables? I don't have bands yet though. Thanks Matt! [anton sevilla] *** If you don't have bands yet, remember my suggestion to others that you make your own at low cost from joining heavy gauge bungy cord into a loop. A set of these bands will cost you a fraction of what the commercially sold rubber elastics cost and they are more convenient to attach to weights and other equipment. Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA mcsiff@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 >From: " Dr. Yessis " <dryessis@...> >For the fastest improvement in sprint speed with limited time, I strongly >recommend doing resistive exercises that duplicate exactly what occurs in >the sprint stride. This includes the knee drive, the pawback, and knee >extensions with rubber tubing. These will have an immediate and dramatic >effect on your speed. After gaining strength, you can do these exercises >with greater speed to more closely duplicate sprint speed (see Yessis,M, >Explosive Running, 2000, Ch 6). Duplicating *exactly* what is in the sprint stride would seem near to impossible without sprinting. Would this type of exercise fall into the category of high velocity actions that should not be performed under resistance to avoid confusing the neural pathways? What does time limitations have to do with your recommendation? Joe Alden Atlanta USA _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 The answer to your question is not as easy it would seem: The best answer is: it depends on things such as (not in order)-- 1) the level of the sprinter 2) how much faster than normal they're being pulled 3) the volume and the density of the overspeed work 4) what type of compatible and complimentary work is being done with the overspeed training 5) the technical proficiency of the sprinter with and w/o the overspeed device 6) specific strength and power levels of the athlete Kebba Tolbert (kebba_t@...) ================= Men's and Women's Jumps & Multis Coach Syracuse University Track & Field >From: ....Name? <smc25@...> >Reply-supertrainingegroups >supertrainingegroups >Subject: RE: Increasing Short Sprint Speed >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:55:01 -0800 > >I am a student at Humboldt State university in NO Cal. I have noticed the >sprinters here doing overspeed drills in which they are hooked up to a >pulley >system and are made to run faster than they normally do. Is this an >effective >method for training sprinters or not? Just curious. > >...... > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 I am a student at Humboldt State university in NO Cal. I have noticed the sprinters here doing overspeed drills in which they are hooked up to a pulley system and are made to run faster than they normally do. Is this an effective method for training sprinters or not? Just curious. ...... ------------ From: " Dr. Yessis " <dryessis@...> >>For the fastest improvement in sprint speed with limited time, I strongly >>recommend doing resistive exercises that duplicate exactly what occurs in >>the sprint stride. This includes the knee drive, the pawback, and knee >>extensions with rubber tubing. These will have an immediate and dramatic >>effect on your speed. After gaining strength, you can do these exercises >>with greater speed to more closely duplicate sprint speed (see Yessis,M, >>Explosive Running, 2000, Ch 6). Joe Alden wrote: >Duplicating *exactly* what is in the sprint stride would seem near to >impossible without sprinting. > >Would this type of exercise fall into the category of high velocity actions >that should not be performed under resistance to avoid confusing the neural >pathways? What does time limitations have to do with your recommendation? ----------- ***If you look through the archives of the Supertraining group under " Frappier " and allied subjects, you will see that this topic was also discussed there. Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA mcsiff@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 Hello Dr. Y! On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Dr. Yessis wrote: > For the fastest improvement in sprint speed with limited time, I > strongly recommend doing resistive exercises that duplicate exactly > what occurs in the sprint stride. This includes the knee drive, the > pawback, and knee extensions with rubber tubing. These will have an > immediate and dramatic effect on your speed. After gaining strength, > you can do these exercises with greater speed to more closely > duplicate sprint speed (see Yessis,M, Explosive Running, 2000, Ch 6). This is very interesting! Hmmm... where do I get rubber tubing though? Since I still suck, whether or not this is top notch I'm sure it will help me. Anton C. Sevilla Metro Manila, Philippines ---------- *** If you cannot obtain rubber tubing or bungy cords in the Philippines, then how about using old bicycle inner tubes? You may use them individually or join them in long strings. Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA mcsiff@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Dr. Yessis " Wrote on the subject: Increasing Short Sprint Speed > For the fastest improvement in sprint speed with limited time, I strongly recommend doing resistive exercises that duplicate >exactly what occurs in the sprint stride. This includes the knee drive, the pawback, and knee extensions with rubber tubing. >These will have an immediate and dramatic effect on your speed. After gaining strength, you can do these exercises with greater >speed to more closely duplicate sprint speed (see Yessis,M, Explosive Running, 2000, Ch 6). > How can en exercise performed with a rubber tube duplicate " exactly what occurs in the sprint stride? The core of sprint action is accelerating limbs at extremely high angular velocities in a stretch shortening fashion. In my opinion is the velocities and recruitment pattern of MU on a totally different level. On top of that is resistive work against a rubber tube a decelerating movement. With limited time why not try sprinting alone? Hakan Andersson, Sprint Coach Sundsvall, Sweden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 >From: Anton Sevilla <anton14@...> >Reply-supertrainingegroups >supertrainingegroups >Subject: Re: Re: Increasing Short Sprint Speed >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:48:27 +0800 (PHT) > >You have a lovely point. Sprinting alone? Maybe my workout plans are >largely flawed. Right now I do about five 100m sprints and about five 50m >sprints. With coach around I usually do six 150m sprints and four 100s. It >varies really. What kind of schemes do you suggest? > > >Anton C. Sevilla >Metro Manila, Philippines Not to be harsh, but the numbers 5x 100 or 6x150 mean very little in and of themselves. Whether or not they're useful at improving sprinting speed would depend on how they're done (intensity) as well as the rest and recovery schemes. Honestly, however, I'd tend to say that those distance are unlikely to provide a true boost in acceleration capacity or top end speed. Remember *most* top-flight sprinters hold maximal/near maximal speed for only 20-30m. This should give you an indication of the distances and durations of speed development workouts. Kebba Tolbert (kebba_t@...) ================= Men's and Women's Jumps & Multis Coach Syracuse University Track & Field _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 From: " Dr. Yessis " <dryessis@...> <Merely sprinting in my experience usually leads to injury.> Interesting... While I tend to do a lot more in my training programs than " just sprint " I know of several successful programs that simply sprint. Coach Tellez (Carl , Mike Marsh, Joe DeLoach, Kirk Baptiste, Leroy Burrell) is not a big fan of " gimmicks " or toys, and often advocates that one practices sprinting correctly to get faster. His success speaks for itself. Kebba Tolbert Syracuse University T & F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 " Joe E. Littleton " <jelittleton@...> wrote: > Hollie also had doing incline squats. This was a movement > done on a rough cut reinforced 2 X 12. Using only body weight the > lifter moves through a range of motion from 1/4 to 3/4 squat, never > really dropping into a full squat and never standing erect. I'm having trouble visualizing why it's called an " incline squat " and how the 2 x 12 is involved. It does sound wonderfully painful though. Matt Madsen __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Anton Sevilla <anton14@...> wrote: > I'm currently doing power cleans, squat cleans -> explosive front > squat. Got other ideas? Well, sprinting, for one. How much sprinting are you doing anyway? I'd expect you to repeat the short approach sprint quite a bit. > And what do you suggest with the cables? I don't have bands yet > though. The basic idea is to attach an elastic band to your foot and a post, and either (a) pull your foot back while facing the post, or ( pull your foot forward while facing away from the post. In that way, you hit roughly the correct muscles at the angles you'll want to use them while running. There's plenty lacking though too. Matt Madsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Hello Matt! On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Matt Madsen wrote: > > squat. Got other ideas? > Well, sprinting, for one. How much sprinting are you doing anyway? > I'd expect you to repeat the short approach sprint quite a bit. On the average week I do about 15x100m sprints 20x50m sprints falling start. I don't bother with the crouch start coz you don't crouch in an approach run. I run thrice a week. Like last monday, it was 5x100m, 5x50m. Then today (wednesday) it was 5x50m falling start, 3x50m rollup start. This does not include drills like high knees, striding, etc. Actually if coach is cruel, I end up doing something like 6x300m, 5x100m or something crazy like that but since coach isn't around (holidays) and I just want to kick my own butt, I don't do THAT much. I hate puking. > The basic idea is to attach an elastic band to your foot and a post, > and either (a) pull your foot back while facing the post, or ( pull > your foot forward while facing away from the post. > > In that way, you hit roughly the correct muscles at the angles you'll > want to use them while running. There's plenty lacking though too. Looks useful though. I'll look through hardware stores and give it a try. [antonsevilla] Anton C. Sevilla Metro Manila, Philippines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Hello there! On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, [iso-8859-1] HÃ¥kan Andersson wrote: > How can en exercise performed with a rubber tube duplicate " exactly > what occurs in the sprint stride? The core of sprint action is > accelerating limbs at extremely high angular velocities in a stretch > shortening fashion. In my opinion is the velocities and recruitment > pattern of MU on a totally different level. On top of that is > resistive work against a rubber tube a decelerating movement. With > limited time why not try sprinting alone? You have a lovely point. Sprinting alone? Maybe my workout plans are largely flawed. Right now I do about five 100m sprints and about five 50m sprints. With coach around I usually do six 150m sprints and four 100s. It varies really. What kind of schemes do you suggest? [antonsevilla] Anton C. Sevilla Metro Manila, Philippines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 The rubber tubing exercises can duplicate what occurs in the running stride by: 1) duplicating the same neuromuscular pathway 2) by developing strength or speed-strength through the same range of motion as occurs in the stride and 3) by duplicating the same type of muscular contraction as occurs in the stride. The exercise does not have to duplicate all three at the same time. For example, the knee drive exercise begins with the leg behind the body in atretched position and brought forward to about 35-45degrees to the vertical. Speed of execution determines whether we are developing strength or speed strenght. It can be used for improvement of technique or strength and when mastered and incorporated into the total running stride it makes an appreciable difference I have found that such exercises significantly improve running speed. The results are almost immediate since the runners begin to see changes within days or a week. This is whyu I recommended them to Anton. He does not have much time! Merely sprinting in my experience usually leads to injury. A combination of both is much more effective I strongly recommend that you try these exercises. You will find the " proof in the pudding " . Also read EXPLOSIVE RUNNING for more details on specificity of exercise and the running exercises in question Dr. Yessis President Sports Training, Inc. www.dryessis.com 760-480-0558 Increasing Short Sprint Speed > > > For the fastest improvement in sprint speed with limited time, I strongly recommend doing resistive exercises that duplicate >exactly what occurs in the sprint stride. This includes the knee drive, the pawback, and knee extensions with rubber tubing. >These will have an immediate and dramatic effect on your speed. After gaining strength, you can do these exercises with greater >speed to more closely duplicate sprint speed (see Yessis,M, Explosive Running, 2000, Ch 6). > > > > How can en exercise performed with a rubber tube duplicate " exactly what occurs in the sprint stride? The core of sprint action is accelerating limbs at extremely high angular velocities in a stretch shortening fashion. In my opinion is the velocities and recruitment pattern of MU on a totally different level. On top of that is resistive work against a rubber tube a decelerating movement. With limited time why not try sprinting alone? > > Hakan Andersson, Sprint Coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2000 Report Share Posted November 1, 2000 Anton Sevilla <anton14@...> wrote: > You have a lovely point. Sprinting alone? Maybe my workout plans > are largely flawed. Right now I do about five 100m sprints and > about five 50m sprints. With coach around I usually do six 150m sprints > and four 100s. It varies really. What kind of schemes do you > suggest? You're just a polevaulter, right? You're not competing in other track events, right? How far do you run for your approach before you actually vault? I'll hazard a guess that it's WAY less than 150 m, or 100 m. Matt Madsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2000 Report Share Posted November 2, 2000 Dr. Yessis " Wrote on: Increasing Short Sprint Speed > For the fastest improvement in sprint speed with limited time, I >strongly recommend doing resistive exercises that duplicate exactly what >occurs in the sprint stride. This includes the knee drive, the pawback, >and knee extensions with rubber tubing. These will have an immediate and >dramatic effect on your speed. After gaining strength, you can do these >exercises with greater speed to more closely duplicate sprint speed (see >Yessis,M, Explosive Running, 2000, Ch 6). >From: HÃ¥kan Andersson <hakan.andersson@...> >How can an exercise performed with a rubber tube duplicate " exactly what >occurs in the sprint stride? The core of sprint action is accelerating >limbs at extremely high angular velocities in a stretch shortening fashion. >In my opinion is the velocities and recruitment pattern of MU on a totally >different level. On top of that is resistive work against a rubber tube a >decelerating movement. With limited time why not try sprinting alone? Alden replies: I am not sure how one would get much accomplished in limited time, anyway, but my experience is that plyometric work to lessen force absorption, force generation cycling times most greatly affects sprint times in well conditioned athletes. Joe Alden Atlanta USA ***Affects? Positively or negatively? Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA mcsiff@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2000 Report Share Posted November 2, 2000 Matt: The rough cut 2 X 12 was cut into a 24 " - 33 " length. Two (2) 1' lengths of the 2 X 12 were then cut diagonally so that they now had a 45 degree angle from diagonal corner to diagonal corner. These were then attached as legs or supports, I used dry wall screws on mine and Elmer's glue, and a 2 X 4 was cut and run parallel on the underside of the board. This resulted in the face or top of the board at a 45 degree angle from the floor. You the place your heels on the board with the ends of your toes on the floor. It placed your feet on a squatting surface at the 45 degree angle to the floor. You then perform the range of motion from 1/4 to 3/4 squat. It will make your lower quad scream when done in sets of 50 to 100. And the sets can be done fairly rapidly. JoeL -----Original Message----- From: Matt Madsen <mmadsen@...: " Joe E. Littleton " <jelittleton@...> wrote: > Hollie also had doing incline squats. This was a movement > done on a rough cut reinforced 2 X 12. Using only body weight the > lifter moves through a range of motion from 1/4 to 3/4 squat, never > really dropping into a full squat and never standing erect. I'm having trouble visualizing why it's called an " incline squat " and how the 2 x 12 is involved. It does sound wonderfully painful though. Matt Madsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2000 Report Share Posted November 2, 2000 Josh asks: If the rubber tube does not impair the sprint mechanics nor the high angular velocities, why can't exercise with a rubber tube duplicate exact sprint stride? It seems that the amount of resistance applied determines if the mechanics and velocities are to be replicated. Furthermore, why then is resistive work considered decelerating (braking) movement? Certainly the contrast (without resistance) is not. Thank you -----Original Messages-------- From: " Dr. Yessis " <dryessis@...> <The rubber tubing exercises can duplicate what occurs in the running stride by: 1) duplicating the same neuromuscular pathway 2) by developing strength or speed-strength through the same range of motion as occurs in the stride and 3) by duplicating the same type of muscular contraction as occurs in the stride. The exercise does not have to duplicate all three at the same time. For example, the knee drive exercise begins with the leg behind the body in atretched position and brought forward to about 35-45degrees to the vertical. Speed of execution determines whether we are developing strength or speed strenght. It can be used for improvement of technique or strength and when mastered and incorporated into the total running stride it makes an appreciable difference I have found that such exercises significantly improve running speed. The results are almost immediate since the runners begin to see changes within days or a week. This is whyu I recommended them to Anton. He does not have much time! Merely sprinting in my experience usually leads to injury. A combination of both is much more effective I strongly recommend that you try these exercises. You will find the " proof in the pudding " . Also read EXPLOSIVE RUNNING for more details on specificity of exercise and the running exercises in question.> Dr. Yessis " Wrote on Increasing Short Sprint Speed <<For the fastest improvement in sprint speed with limited time, I strongly recommend doing resistive exercises that duplicate exactly what occurs in the sprint stride. This includes the knee drive, the pawback, and knee extensions with rubber tubing. >These will have an immediate and dramatic effect on your speed. After gaining strength, you can do these exercises with greater >speed to more closely duplicate sprint speed (see Yessis,M, Explosive Running, 2000, Ch 6).>> " HÃ¥kan Andersson " <hakan.andersson@...> wrote: < How can en exercise performed with a rubber tube duplicate " exactly what occurs in the sprint stride? The core of sprint action is accelerating limbs at extremely high angular velocities in a stretch shortening fashion. In my opinion is the velocities and recruitment pattern of MU on a totally different level. On top of that is resistive work against a rubber tube a decelerating movement. With limited time why not try sprinting alone?> ------------------ Josh Katz 513.474.7465 800.244.2316 978.418.8952 Fax jkatz1@... PREP Performance info@... http://www.prepperformance.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2000 Report Share Posted November 2, 2000 " Joe E. Littleton " <jelittleton@...> wrote: > The rough cut 2 X 12 was cut into a 24 " - 33 " length. Two (2) 1' > lengths of the 2 X 12 were then cut diagonally so that they now had > a 45 degree angle from diagonal corner to diagonal corner. These > were then attached as legs or supports, I used dry wall screws on > mine and Elmer's glue, and a 2 X 4 was cut and run parallel on the > underside of the board. This resulted in the face or top of the > board at a 45 degree angle from the floor. You the place your > heels on the board with the ends of your toes on the floor. It > placed your feet on a squatting surface at the 45 degree angle to > the floor. You then perform the range of motion from 1/4 to 3/4 > squat. Gotcha. I had a terrible visual with " incline " meaning leaning on some angled platform, as in incline press. I couldn't figure out how rough cut 2x12's might be involved. Think hack squat machine plus splinters. Shudder. > It will make your lower quad scream when done in sets of 50 to 100. > And the sets can be done fairly rapidly. I'll take your word for it. ;^) Matt Madsen __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2000 Report Share Posted November 3, 2000 From: " Joe Alden " <joealden@...> >I am not sure how one would get much accomplished in limited time, anyway, >but my experience is that plyometric work to lessen force absorption, force >generation cycling times most greatly affects sprint times in well >conditioned athletes. Dr Mel C Siff: >>***Affects? Positively or negatively? Always positively, even if no strength training is being accomplished. Sprint time decreases (40m) range from the barely perceptible to the easily clocked. But I am always concerned about the accuracy of timers, outside conditions including wind assists, track surface changes, etc. My in-gym testing includes one-legged hop " runs " and vertical and horizontal CMJ's (one and two leg; off box and from floor). Lastly, we ask the athlete and the parent/coach if they observe speed increases and, if this subjective info is positive, matched against the sprint timing and in-gym tests, we can feel relatively certain sprint increase goals have been obtained. Joe Alden Atlanta USA *** What about the objective real test, namely what is their accurately timed improvement over different distances? Do you have any figures for the improvements that you have seen? Even then, how can you be certain that the improvements were not because of something other than plyometric methods on their own? Did you measure these improvements against similar groups of other athletes who were not using plyometrics or combined weights/plyos training? Dr Mel C Siff Denver, USA mcsiff@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2000 Report Share Posted November 3, 2000 >From: " Dr. Yessis " <dryessis@...> >The rubber tubing exercises can duplicate what occurs in the running >stride by: >1) duplicating the same neuromuscular pathway >2) by developing strength or speed-strength through the same >range of motion as occurs in the stride and >3) by duplicating the same type of muscular contraction as >occurs in the stride. Regarding number one: If there is no ground force, there will be no duplication of neuoromuscular pathways. Regarding number two: Same can be done with cables but at what price? Aren't you adding resistance to a high-velocity, highly coordinated movememnt whose timing and sequencing could be compromised? Regarding number three: Impossible unless there are similar ground forces to deal with. Many times you have aluded to the purchase of your book to justify the validity of your posts. I have no problem with this continual and repetitve method of solicitation. However, I suspect from the large number of off-group emails I have received regarding your participation here, that you might be better served explaining and teaching us your methods of training than requiring our purchase of your materials. Joe Alden Atlanta USA _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2000 Report Share Posted November 5, 2000 To Joe Alden It is obvious from your statements that you appear to be unfamiliar with running biomechanics, the concept of specificity of training and sport biomechanics in general. At first reading your statements would seem to sound impressive but close examination shows that they have no scientific substance. This is a typical ploy used by many pseudo experts in the sports and fitness fields. You read the material or hear them speak and they impress the heck out of you. But if someone asks " what did you learn? " you do not come up with very much tangible educational material. Your ground reaction statements show that you are confused about which joint actions contribute to running speed and when they occur. For example, pawback occurs when the runner is airborne. How can you have ground reaction forces at this time? If we are to believe you, does this also mean that a long jumper needs ground reaction forces to improve movements of the arms and legs while flying through the air? This all reminds me of some of my students. I would give them an assignment to read up on a topic or to read a specific chapter. They would not do it but expect me to go over everything that they should have read. As a result, there was no discussion of the material because they did not have try to acquire the necessary background to make qualified statements. You keep going back to my supposed efforts to sell my book EXPLOSIVE RUNNING. But yet I never once said you should buy it. Anyway, profit on educational books is minimal, so that my sole purpose in mentioning my book was that my ideas are already in printed form, with many photos that I could not send via this discussion group. I did say you should read it (even at a library) and I will say it again IF you would like to expand your knowledge of running and if you want to have an informed and fruitful discussion on how speed can be increased. Running is a very complex sport and cannot be treated in one or two paragraphs as you seem to believe. The exercises that I recommended to improve speed (and many others that are covered in the book ) have been proven in practical work. In fact many runners improve significantly in running form and speed merely from doing the exercises. They do not have to do more and more running as is typically recommended. Doing this leads to " survival of the fitest " to which I do not subscribe. The more an athlete can do supplemental work to improve his performance without more and more playing, (or running) the greater will be his improvement. Anton, who started this topic, could have become faster by doing the exercises. This is not opinion, it is an experience-based fact. It is a new concept, one that cannot be quickly covered in a few paragraphs. This is why it is necessary to read about it and why I do not wish to repeat over many pages what is already readily available via a suitable library or bookstore. I would gladly send this group a PDF file of extracts from my book to help answer some of the questions, but it is not possible to send attached filesto the Supertraining group. Moreover, it would take a great deal of time to select, scan and prepare the material. Dr. Yessis President Sports Training, Inc. www.dryessis.com 760-480-0558 > >From: " Dr. Yessis " <dryessis@...> > > >The rubber tubing exercises can duplicate what occurs in the running > >stride by: > > >1) duplicating the same neuromuscular pathway > >2) by developing strength or speed-strength through the same > >range of motion as occurs in the stride and > >3) by duplicating the same type of muscular contraction as > >occurs in the stride. > > Regarding number one: If there is no ground force, there will be no > duplication of neuoromuscular pathways. > > Regarding number two: Same can be done with cables but at what price? > Aren't you adding resistance to a high-velocity, highly coordinated > movememnt whose timing and sequencing could be compromised? > > Regarding number three: Impossible unless there are similar ground forces to > deal with. > > Many times you have aluded to the purchase of your book to justify the > validity of your posts. I have no problem with this continual and repetitve > method of solicitation. However, I suspect from the large number of > off-group emails I have received regarding your participation here, that you > might be better served explaining and teaching us your methods of training > than requiring our purchase of your materials. > > > Joe Alden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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