Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Posted January 29, 2004 If you've recently added or increased any supplements stop them. Also give him calcium and magnesium supplements. This happened with my son in November/December. We had increased his dose of transfer factor and he became very aggressive and whiney especially at school also. They were about to have him removed from the class. Taking him off the transfer factor helped but there was still something off. Thanks to an experience of someone on another list, I added calcium and magnesium back to his supplements (in citrate forms). He got them in his multi, but hadn't had them additionaly in a while. Within a half hour he was noticeably calmer, was better behaved the next day at school - no aggression towards others only some whining and sib, and by day two he was back to his normally happy self and behaviors in the classroom are back to what they were prior (about 5% of his day). It's really amazing the effect these supplements have had on him. In a message dated 1/29/2004 2:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, kneiman@... writes: Hello, my name is Kris and I am a mother to a child with PDD-NOS who will be 7 in April. Seth receives ABA treatment after school and is mainstreamed into a regular first grade class with an aide. He did well in the fall both in the classroom and with his special education teacher for resource room learning. But, ever since the holiday break we have seen almost a daily problem with aggression, violent behavior, non-compliance, etc. where before Seth was never a behavioral issue/problem and when those situations arised they were few and far between. We are seeing some of these behaviors at home and in therapy but i'd say 85% of them are during school. He is what they consider "high functioning" in his capacity to interact, learn and comprehend academics but of course we have the social issues, etc.I am waiting for the call from school to pull him out of the regular classroom and need advice on putting him on some type of medication to handle the aggressive behaviors. He is a big kid for his age, weighs 75 lbs already and is on a fairly strict GFCF diet at home but has time when he does get those bad foods. He is also on Zyrtec for allergies once a day and we have him on Kirkman Labs DMG with B-12 and folionic acid.Just looking for advice on these behavior issues and any medication advice, I am thinking maybe something for ADHD????Thanks! Sorry this was so long!Kris (mom to Seth and Haven) Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Posted January 29, 2004 In a message dated 1/29/2004 2:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, kneiman@... writes: He is also on Zyrtec for allergies once a day and we have him on Kirkman Labs DMG with B-12 and folionic acid. Also I remember reading that DMG can cause hyperactivity and can be offsect with the addition of folic acid. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Posted January 29, 2004 In a message dated 1/29/2004 2:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, kneiman@... writes: He is also on Zyrtec for allergies once a day and we have him on Kirkman Labs DMG with B-12 and folionic acid. Also I remember reading that DMG can cause hyperactivity and can be offsect with the addition of folic acid. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Posted January 29, 2004 Hi, first I would have a psychologist or your consultant do a Functional Behavioral Assessment to analyze why these behaviors are occuring.Then I would call for an IEP meeting to write in a behavior plan based on their recommendations. You don't say under what conditions these behaviors occur(for instance, my son usually has behaviors early or late in the day, often with one strict teacher who I think unintentionally sparks behavior sometimes because his personality is strong and he is a big guy and not a flexible person...my son thinks he has to be perfect and I wonder if the teacher's demeanor feeds into this without meaning to). If you know doing math triggers the behavior you might have to set up a plan just to get through math problems, or whatever. If it comes out of the blue, it still probably has a subtle trigger they haven't picked up on, hence the need for the FBA. Medications...my son is using Strattera and it evened out his mood a LOT and helped him to concentrate. Some kids do well on Adderall or Ritalin but neither worked as well for him. I would try a token economy system for behavior(rewards based on increments of time of the behavior/working you desire). For instance, my son was on a plan where if he completed a paper, he got a checkmark. A certain number of checkmarks during the day earned him a small treat at the end of the day(we went for ice cream, he got a comic book, or a candy bar or computer time, etc.) Sometimes kids need an in-school reward if they don't understand delay of reward(he didn't at first, but does now quite well). It can be a few minutes of free time, a break to do art or computer, etc. We have to reward the on-task and "good" behaviors even more than worry about correcting the poor ones, one knocks the other out:) I am a strong believer in consequences for actions(if my son has a really really bad day he does housework, which he HATES) Consult with your Dr. about meds...take care, Sally Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Posted January 29, 2004 Wow, thanks for the information and advice. School has tried tokens, incentives, rewards, etc. to no avail, also sensory breaks throughout the day as well. His spec ed teacher does put a lot of demands on him but she does this because she sees the comprehension he has and he also did wonderful all throughout the fall - the times of the outbursts at school are not centered around a specific time or tasks, they never know what to expect on a daily basis. I did speak with his psychologist from the ABA center and she gave me some great advice on meds - my DH took him to the pediatrician this pm to have a physical and talk about meds. I will fill you all in, thanks so much! Kris Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Posted January 29, 2004 Wow, thanks for the information and advice. School has tried tokens, incentives, rewards, etc. to no avail, also sensory breaks throughout the day as well. His spec ed teacher does put a lot of demands on him but she does this because she sees the comprehension he has and he also did wonderful all throughout the fall - the times of the outbursts at school are not centered around a specific time or tasks, they never know what to expect on a daily basis. I did speak with his psychologist from the ABA center and she gave me some great advice on meds - my DH took him to the pediatrician this pm to have a physical and talk about meds. I will fill you all in, thanks so much! Kris Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Posted January 29, 2004 Food for thought on the supplements, I will see what happens when I take him off the DMG, that has always been good for him - less stimming, etc. when he is on it - hmmm...wouldn't it be nice if they all came with a manual? kris Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 My son is also on Zyrtec. We had to switch the dosage time for him. Our Dr said to give him the med at night because of drowsiness. We had just the opposite side effect. It made my son hyper at night & he wasn't sleeping. We switched it & gave him the med in the morning & it seemed to work out. A child is like a butterfly in the wind, some fly faster, some fly harder but they all fly the best they can. Each one is different, each one is beautiful and each one is special. Re: New With Questions (Long) In a message dated 1/29/2004 2:16:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, kneiman@... writes: He is also on Zyrtec for allergies once a day and we have him on Kirkman Labs DMG with B-12 and folionic acid. Also I remember reading that DMG can cause hyperactivity and can be offsect with the addition of folic acid. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 My son often takes a while to adjust back to school routines after breaks...it could be he thought he was "done" with school since he was off over Christmas;) My son was under that impression:) Good luck! Sally Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Kris, have you tried Kirkman's enzymes for those times when your son gets those foods at school and other places that he should not have? Some people say that they work pretty good for those times. Aggressive behavior does not sound like ADHD but more of a mood disorder. Evan takes Abilify and Risperdal for this and it helps most of the time, except when he is extremely hungry or tired. BETTY ANN-62 yo, possibly undx'd Bipolar Effexor, Buspar, Lorazepam as needed, Lithium orotate grandma and guardian to ANDREW - 12 yo-- Bipolar/ADHD, Homeschooled Depakote 250 mg., Adderall 30 mg, Abilify 20 mg, Zoloft 50 mg, EVAN - 9 yo-- nonverbal autism Abilify 20 mg 1x daily, 25 mg Trazodone, Risperdal as needed DAVID 7 yo Bipolar/ADHD Adderall 20 mg daily, 1 mg Risperdal 3 x daily, 50 mg Strattera and mother to ANDREA -33 yo, their mom - Bipolar/ADHD, Topamax, Tegretol, Singular, Wellbutrin wife to BOB - 72 yo, a very tired grandpa Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 , it amazes me that these doctors do not have a clue as to how these medications affect these kids! You really have to stay on top of it, don't you? blessings, Pat K Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Betty, have you tried the enzymes? Pat K Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Betty, have you tried the enzymes? Pat K Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 > I am waiting for the call from school to pull him out of the regular > classroom and need advice on putting him on some type of medication > to handle the aggressive behaviors. I agree with Sally's advice regarding a functional behavioral assessment. It is also the legal course of action. P.L. 105-17 of the IDEA calls for FBA's to be conducted and Behavioral Intervention Plans (BIP's) developed and implemented before considering removing a student from his/her current placement. The person conducting the assessment should be a board certified behavior analyst or an eligible BCBA. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Pat, I also believe that its part trail and error. I mean I may be on something & have no problems but you could have a totally different reaction to the meds. Everyone's chemistry is so different. A child is like a butterfly in the wind, some fly faster, some fly harder but they all fly the best they can. Each one is different, each one is beautiful and each one is special. Re: New With Questions (Long) , it amazes me that these doctors do not have a clue as to how these medications affect these kids! You really have to stay on top of it, don't you? blessings, Pat K Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 , that is so true. My son had a very unusual reaction to adderall, it made the skin around his eyes pink, dry and itchy. The Dr. had never heard of anyone else having this type of reaction. We had to discontinue it for that, and also it seemed to flatten his personality. He is a really funny, happy boy and he would be very quiet and I didn't want to lose his wonderful personality. Take care, Sally(Ritalin gave him severe headaches when it wore off). Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 , that is so true. My son had a very unusual reaction to adderall, it made the skin around his eyes pink, dry and itchy. The Dr. had never heard of anyone else having this type of reaction. We had to discontinue it for that, and also it seemed to flatten his personality. He is a really funny, happy boy and he would be very quiet and I didn't want to lose his wonderful personality. Take care, Sally(Ritalin gave him severe headaches when it wore off). Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Sally, My daughter had a bad experience with Adderdal also. It made her very weepy & not a happy girl. We switched to risperdal & it seems to work better for her. A child is like a butterfly in the wind, some fly faster, some fly harder but they all fly the best they can. Each one is different, each one is beautiful and each one is special. Re: New With Questions (Long) , that is so true. My son had a very unusual reaction to adderall, it made the skin around his eyes pink, dry and itchy. The Dr. had never heard of anyone else having this type of reaction. We had to discontinue it for that, and also it seemed to flatten his personality. He is a really funny, happy boy and he would be very quiet and I didn't want to lose his wonderful personality. Take care, Sally(Ritalin gave him severe headaches when it wore off). Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Hi , that is good to hear(about the Risperadol), it seems it works well for quite a few kids...take care, Sally Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Hi , that is good to hear(about the Risperadol), it seems it works well for quite a few kids...take care, Sally Quote
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Yes, I have used the enzymes and am backing to using them again. I used the gfcf diet on Evan for a year with no noticeable results and quit using it when moved in with us with no noticeable results. So we tried the enzymes for a few months with no noticeable results in behavior. I started giving them to him again though because his stools showed that he is not digesting his foods that well. Well, I guess not since he cannot chew properly. I figured the enzymes would help break down the foods and what ever else he eats instead of them just going straight though. I used to be on the enzyme list but it got too political and I left mainly for that reason. There were arguments over whose enzymes were the best and so on. Anyway, it is best to give the enzymes before the meals but they can be given at any time. They are suppose to go after the old feces that is left on the intestinal walls if there is any enzyme activity left after breaking down the foods. I like that idea also. I have some Houston Nutraceuticals Peptizyde that I have not finished using but I also just bought some Kirkman's EnZym-Comeplete/DPP-IV. When I started Evan back on them, I started with 1/2 capsule and worked back up to one capsule. Too much, too fast and you can really get the bms going. I am hoping that by using the enzymes that Evan will be digesting his foods better and not having so many bms in a day. And so far it seems to be helping. He is not having quite so many in a day so maybe that idea is working. BETTY ANN-62 yo, possibly undx'd Bipolar grandma and guardian to ANDREW - 12 yo-- Bipolar/ADHD, HomeschooledEVAN - 9 yo-- nonverbal autismDAVID 7 yo Bipolar/ADHD and mother to ANDREA -33 yo, their mom -Bipolar/ADHD wife to BOB - 72 yo, a very tired grandpa Quote
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Betty, is it ok to break the capsules in half? How do you do that? Did you give him 1/2 before each meal? I really want to try this. Thanks, Pat K Quote
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