Re: To Anya re: Message No. 144

December 11, 2005

Edited to correct top post!

> >you ever figure out what the root was? My guess is Ferula sumbul,

>

> Yes, I'm fairly certain it was F. sumbul. I've inquired all over

> about it, with no luck.

Sumbul is definetly Ferula sumbul (Apiaceae) or commonly called

jatamansi or balchir in Hindi

Another name is Nordoslachys Jatamansi D.c. Root Oil :

Though I have to add I find the smell woody animalic spicy rather than

musky

Check out http://www.eco-planet.com/aboutherbal/JATAMANSI.htm

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http://nmpb.nic.in/jatamansi.htm

If you wanna procure it, it is easily available here in India, most

dealers will carry the oil

It should be priced somewhere around $140

A good supplier is Ultra International here in Delhi

http://www.ultrainternational.com <http://www.ultrainternational.com/>

though they are pricing it at $ 180.00 but the quality is real good

Cheers

December 15, 2005

At 09:22 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote:

>Anya

>I was reading through the archives and in your Message 144 you talked

>about a vegetal-based musk given to you by a Hindu. He emphasized

>that it was from one root that is known to substitute for musk. Did

>you ever figure out what the root was? My guess is Ferula sumbul,

Yes, I'm fairly certain it was F. sumbul. I've inquired all over about it,

with no luck.

>that you got it from a Hindu kind of makes sense. If we could find

>the correct Hindi / Sanskrit name for the root, it may be possible to

>find it at an Ayurvedic herbal supplier or even over the internet from

>India. Please let me know if you ever figured out what the root was.

I don't know the Ayurvedic name, but I have searched Indian sites

fruitlessly (rootlessly ;-)

Anya

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December 16, 2005

> >you ever figure out what the root was? My guess is Ferula sumbul,

>

> Yes, I'm fairly certain it was F. sumbul. I've inquired all over

> about it, with no luck.

>

> ...

>

> I don't know the Ayurvedic name, but I have searched Indian sites

> fruitlessly (rootlessly ;-)

>

I just did an internet search and couldn't find any source of roots or

tincture. Mostly I just found references in old formularies. I did find

this Santa Novella fragrance which says uses Sumbul.

http://www.aedes.com/product.php?product_id=1579

December 17, 2005

--- In , " Akshay Bhatia "

>

> Sumbul is definetly Ferula sumbul (Apiaceae) or commonly called

> jatamansi or balchir in Hindi

> Another name is Nordoslachys Jatamansi D.c. Root Oil :

> Though I have to add I find the smell woody animalic spicy rather than

> musky

t is easily available here in India, most

> dealers will carry the oil

> It should be priced somewhere around $140

>

> A good supplier is Ultra International here in Delhi

> http://www.ultrainternational.com <http://www.ultrainternational.com/>

> though they are pricing it at $ 180.00 but the quality is real good

>

> Cheers

>

Not Nordo, you mean Nardo?

Nardo, jatamansi is nard or spikenard and runs around $30/oz, I know

of 2 good suppliers.

December 17, 2005

At 08:39 AM 12/17/2005, you wrote:

> > Sumbul is definetly Ferula sumbul (Apiaceae) or commonly called

> > jatamansi or balchir in Hindi

> > Another name is Nordoslachys Jatamansi D.c. Root Oil :

Hi Akshay:

No, Ferula sumbul, aka F. moschata is different.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Ferula+moschata & CAN=LATIND

Nardostachys is spikenard, very different.

Anya

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December 17, 2005

Edited to correct top post.......! Liz

--- Akshay Bhatia

<akshaybhatia@...> wrote:

> Sumbul is definetly Ferula sumbul (Apiaceae) or

> commonly called jatamansi or balchir in Hindi

> Another name is Nordoslachys Jatamansi D.c. Root Oil

> :

> Though I have to add I find the smell woody animalic

> spicy rather than musky

>

I believe this also translates to Spikenard. Had done

some researdh on Spikenard and I believe this is what

I found.

Also found tha Jatamansi is great to put into your

shampoo for dry brittle and broken ends on your hair.

Lynn

December 18, 2005

>

> > > Sumbul is definetly Ferula sumbul (Apiaceae) or commonly called

> > > jatamansi or balchir in Hindi

> > > Another name is Nordoslachys Jatamansi D.c. Root Oil :

>

> Hi Akshay:

>

> No, Ferula sumbul, aka F. moschata is different.

> http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?

Ferula+moschata & CAN=LATIND

>

> Nardostachys is spikenard, very different.

>

> Anya

You are absolutely correct. Ferula sumbul(moschata) is Musk Root.

Nardostachys jatamansi is Spikenard, although sometimes called musk

root and that's where the confusion comes from. They are two

different species of plants, but share in common that their roots

are used in perfumery and that they both grow in the same general

geographic area in Asia. Spikenard Oil is easily obtainable,

however, sumbul seems to be impossible to obtain. I am still trying

to find the Hindi word for sumbul. Once we get this, we'll have a

better chance of finding it. And it seems the first person we

should ask is Akshay Batia.

Mark

(snipped to remove my sig lines, , because it made it look like I wrote

this ;-)

December 18, 2005