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Thanks for the heads-up. I don't eat much in the way of fat beyond

occasional avocados & nuts. Ahh, except once-in-a-blue-moon bacon on a

salad bar. : " > I'm not sure the day will ever come that I no longer want a

small taste of that from time to time. :~P

Sounds the book may well be too fat laden for my tastes. But may be worth

seeking out in a book store to take a look-see. Thanks.

:~)

Thia

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> The big drawback to the book (for me, anyway) is that nearly all the

> recipes are *very* high in fat. ... ... like extra

> virgin olive oil, often in massive quantities.

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Why not cook with Cold Pressed Extra Virgin Olive Oil? It is much healthier

for you. It actually was discussed on Biggest Looser last night.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Thia .... <bipolyf@...> wrote:

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>

> Oh, and coconut oil. Gee, been not really using that as much lately, as I

> haven't cooked much lately. Almost forgot about it. lol. It's the only oil

> I cook with.

>

> :~)

> Thia

>

> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Thia ....

<bipolyf@...<bipolyf%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

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> > Thanks for the heads-up. I don't eat much in the way of fat beyond

> > occasional avocados & nuts. Ahh, except once-in-a-blue-moon bacon on a

> > salad bar. : " > I'm not sure the day will ever come that I no longer want

> a

> > small taste of that from time to time. :~P

> >

> > Sounds the book may well be too fat laden for my tastes. But may be worth

> > seeking out in a book store to take a look-see. Thanks.

> >

> > :~)

> > Thia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Sparrow R

<sparrowrose@...<sparrowrose%40gmail.com>

> >wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> The big drawback to the book (for me, anyway) is that nearly all the

> >> recipes are *very* high in fat. ... ... like extravirgin olive oil,

> >> often in massive quantities.

> >>

> >

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" Why not " ? Because olive oil breaks down in to less than healthy when put

to heat. I will use olive oil on my bf salads (he likes oil on salad, I do

not) and occasional dish for a potluck (like the cauliflower couscous I

think I mentioned here some time back). It is a good choice as far as oils

go, if *not* put to heat. I would never cook with it. From what I have

read, and personal experience, I believe that virgin coconut oil is a way

healthier choice, especially when put to heat.

Yes, I have seen may folks recommend cooking with olive oil. I, and many

others, disagree with that practice.

Once you get away from frequent oil use, your palate becomes much more

in-tune, but you may even be able to notice if you do use oils frequently:

do a test, try cooking with different oils, and see if you notice that

stickiness the oil gives. Not heated, it's slippery. Heated, most

(including olive oil) thickens, gets sticky, and clogs up the system. Take

a look at your pans, too.

:~)

Thia

Rushing <lindarsgarden@...> wrote:

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> Why not cook with Cold Pressed Extra Virgin Olive Oil? It is much healthier

> for you. It actually was discussed on Biggest Looser last night.

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM, melodylubart1 <eliz7212@...> wrote:

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> This whole coconut oil thing confuses the heck out of me.

>

It confuses a lot of people. the problem was, when folks did clinical tests,

they used *hydrogenated* coconut oil, which is awful to use, horrible

stuff! but VIRGIN coconut oil is HEALTHY.

another perk: I lost weight using the stuff...dropped off like melting away

when I started using it. Lots of folks use it for loosing weight. Many use

it for moisturizer like you do, too. As long as it is VIRGIN coconut oil,

it is very good to cook with, use as a butter substitute, use as a

moisterizer, etc. And it can even be used as a deodorant. it is antiseptic,

and antibacterial.

Keep reading online, doing a search for VIRGIN coconut oil, and you will

find all the good info.

:~)

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM, melodylubart1 <eliz7212@...> wrote:

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> I have, sitting on my counter, 2 containers of Organic coconut Oil. ...

>

> So what exactly happens if I put a tablespoon of the coconut oil in my

> frying pan and do some sliced zucchinis???

>

Melody~ I would highly recommend it, if it is VIRGIN coconut oil. You

mentioned " organic coconut oil " . Make sure it says VIRGIN on the jar before

cooking with it. Personally, I wouldn't use it as a moisturizer either if

it's not virgin.

I am wondering, is it (the jars you have) Spectrum brand? If so, I think it

really tastes pretty bad. My personal opinion. I'm only guessing it might

be, as that is the brand most often readily available in stores. I highly

recommend you try Nutiva, or Tropical Traditions.

http://nutiva.com/

http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/

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I have on occasion baked or slow simmered chicken or Salmon in a half

coconut oil and half organic butter very smail amounts justs enogh to keep

from sticking and to flavor the meat. It is delicious. I do use olive oil

to make my homade dressing for my salads.

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> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM, melodylubart1

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> > I have, sitting on my counter, 2 containers of Organic coconut Oil. ...

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> > So what exactly happens if I put a tablespoon of the coconut oil in my

> > frying pan and do some sliced zucchinis???

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I always cook with coconut oil.. virgin coco oil that is...  please don't

believe the lie that saturated fat is bad for you.. it is all the other oils

that are bad...  For me and Sparrow, the rule is real food... Sparrow says Whole

foods, I think extracts of whole food, ie, coconut oit is fine..and it is a

great moisturizer.  I cook, eat, and wear the stuff..

And I like the way food tastes that has been cooked in coconut oil.

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From: melodylubart1 <eliz7212@...>

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 3:57:07 PM

Subject: lemon pudding/ (was Re: Dehydrating

sprouts/Sparrow)

I also have a question about EVOO!! I have been using it for years. And last

night I watched The Biggest Loser and Bob was explaining the benefits of cooking

with EVOO.

My question is about using Coconut Oil. I know we've discussed this before but

it was a long long time ago.

Right now, I have, sitting on my counter, 2 containers of Organic coconut Oil.

One is in a tub and one is in still sealed bottle.

I have used the one that is in the tub. But NOT FOR COOKING. And my hands have

never touched the oil. I just pour out a bit in the evening and put it on my

face (as a moisturizer) .

I was going to cook with it, but I went on line and read about how UNHEALTHY it

is to use. But then I come here and some of you use it now and then.

So what exactly happens if I put a tablespoon of the coconut oil in my frying

pan and do some sliced zucchinis???

Or does the fact that I would usually use EVOO and then once in a while use the

coconut oil, well, would that be a bad thing to do.

This whole coconut oil thing confuses the heck out of me.

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For me and Sparrow, the rule is real food...

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Me too!!! :~)

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melodylubart1 wrote: The brand is EMERALD LABORATORIES. and it says: " Extra

> Virgin, Certified Organic. 16 oz PURE OIL.

>

I've never head of that one. I will have to do a search and check it out!

I like to try different ones. Thanks for the name. :~)

> melodylubart1 wrote: the other container is a jar and it's 14 oz and it's

> Spectrum Naturals. It is still sealed. It says Expeller Pressed Organic

> Coconut Oil. It does not say virgin. Haven't opened this one up yet.

>

Yep, that's the one I think tastes nasty! I unfortunately bought two jars

of it. I have one still sealed. the other I used up while boiling pasta,

rather than using corn or soy, like I used to do. That was some time ago.

I haven't had pasta in a while...not sure what to do with this last jar of

Spectrum. :~(

> melodylubart1 wrote: So I did use the coconut oil, and I will continue to

> use it (sparingly) because I do watch my calorie count.

>

At this point, I need the calories. I've lost a lot of weight, and am where

I think I should be right now. Don't want to loose more! But, I am really

not using the coconut oil, like I was while loosing. I ate the stuff like it

was going to be taken away from me!!! LOL.

:~)

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On 4/22/09, bhans2 <bhans2@...> wrote:

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> Anyone ever try " frying " food in water rather than oil? Stuff

> doesn't stick and it works well, but most likely doesn't have

> as good of a flavor. At least you're not getting a processed

> food with water.

Yeah, I used to do 'healthy sauté' back when I was still cooking my

food. You have to be careful not to use too much water or you end up

steaming instead of frying, which is okay for some foods but others,

onions for example, don't benefit. Onions are especially good

candidates for healthy sauté, by the way, because they release natural

oils when you start heating them and those oils mix with the little

bit of water and make a very nice frying medium. You can even get the

nice carmelization going.

As for lack of flavor, it may take some getting used to for some

people but there is plenty of flavor there! In fact, I found that

after doing healthy sauté for a while and seriously cutting down or

out the oils and hidden fats in my diet that getting a hold of some

food that had been cooked in oil was a most unpleasant experience.

When you cut fats down to 10% of your calories you begin to lose the

taste for them and foods with higher fat content -- especially when

the fat is an oil -- taste greasy, heavy and gross.

The World's Healthiest Food site has a short video about why it's not

recommended to cook with olive oil:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=movie & dbid=6

Here is his description of healthy sauté:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=8#preptipdescr

healthy steaming:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=117#preptipdescr

and healthy stir-fry:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=156#preptipdescr

None of which use oil.

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He had too much oil in the pan and the fire too high. That does not

prove to me that cooking with olive oil is bad.

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Re: lemon pudding/ (was Re:

Dehydrating sprouts/Sparrow)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:09:27 -0600

On 4/22/09, bhans2 <bhans2@...> wrote:

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> Anyone ever try " frying " food in water rather than oil? Stuff

> doesn't stick and it works well, but most likely doesn't have

> as good of a flavor. At least you're not getting a processed

> food with water.

Yeah, I used to do 'healthy sauté' back when I was still cooking my

food. You have to be careful not to use too much water or you end up

steaming instead of frying, which is okay for some foods but others,

onions for example, don't benefit. Onions are especially good

candidates for healthy sauté, by the way, because they release

natural

oils when you start heating them and those oils mix with the little

bit of water and make a very nice frying medium. You can even get the

nice carmelization going.

As for lack of flavor, it may take some getting used to for some

people but there is plenty of flavor there! In fact, I found that

after doing healthy sauté for a while and seriously cutting down or

out the oils and hidden fats in my diet that getting a hold of some

food that had been cooked in oil was a most unpleasant experience.

When you cut fats down to 10% of your calories you begin to lose the

taste for them and foods with higher fat content -- especially when

the fat is an oil -- taste greasy, heavy and gross.

The World's Healthiest Food site has a short video about why it's not

recommended to cook with olive oil:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=movie & dbid=6

Here is his description of healthy sauté:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=8#preptipdescr

healthy steaming:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=117#preptipdescr

and healthy stir-fry:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=156#preptipdescr

None of which use oil.

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I have a pump spraying device. I fill it with olive oil - EVOO - pump it

and spray just like pam.

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Re: lemon pudding/ (was Re:

Dehydrating sprouts/Sparrow)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:09:27 -0600

On 4/22/09, bhans2 <bhans2@...> wrote:

>

> Anyone ever try " frying " food in water rather than oil? Stuff

> doesn't stick and it works well, but most likely doesn't have

> as good of a flavor. At least you're not getting a processed

> food with water.

Yeah, I used to do 'healthy sauté' back when I was still cooking my

food. You have to be careful not to use too much water or you end up

steaming instead of frying, which is okay for some foods but others,

onions for example, don't benefit. Onions are especially good

candidates for healthy sauté, by the way, because they release

natural

oils when you start heating them and those oils mix with the little

bit of water and make a very nice frying medium. You can even get the

nice carmelization going.

As for lack of flavor, it may take some getting used to for some

people but there is plenty of flavor there! In fact, I found that

after doing healthy sauté for a while and seriously cutting down or

out the oils and hidden fats in my diet that getting a hold of some

food that had been cooked in oil was a most unpleasant experience.

When you cut fats down to 10% of your calories you begin to lose the

taste for them and foods with higher fat content -- especially when

the fat is an oil -- taste greasy, heavy and gross.

The World's Healthiest Food site has a short video about why it's not

recommended to cook with olive oil:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=movie & dbid=6

Here is his description of healthy sauté:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=8#preptipdescr

healthy steaming:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=117#preptipdescr

and healthy stir-fry:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=preptip & dbid=156#preptipdescr

None of which use oil.

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On 4/22/09, Ernest Willingham <99tomatoes@...> wrote:

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> He had too much oil in the pan and the fire too high. That does not

> prove to me that cooking with olive oil is bad.

A normal-sized cooking amount of oil would not show up on the camera.

As for " bad " food and " good " food, I fall back on my earlier statement

that it's all a spectrum. I hesitate in using moral value judgement

words for food like " guilty " or " shouldn't " or " bad " because I think

that does as much overall, long-term harm as any box of twinkies.

Olive oil is healthier than some stuff and less healthy than other

stuff. It's all a personal choice about where one feels best

physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually with one's diet.

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On 4/22/09, Ernest Willingham <99tomatoes@...> wrote:

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> I have a pump spraying device. I fill it with olive oil - EVOO - pump it

> and spray just like pam.

I thought about getting one of those and then I quit cooking my food

so it was moot.

One thing I like about my food now is how easy it is to clean up

after. I tend to have a sort of instinctual gut feeling similar to

what was trying to point out in the video that if my food has

gummy, sticky properties that make me have to expend effort to clean

the cookware and dishes I feel funny about putting it inside my body.

But then I'm kind of finicky that way. The same " instinct " makes me

feel uncomfortable about oatmeal even though it's supposed to be one

of the healthiest foods. If I drop some oatmeal on the counter and

forget to wipe it up all day, I have to chisel it. I know my stomach

acids keep it from turning to glue inside me, but . . . well, I'm just

kind of finicky that way.

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You do need fat in your diet.. just use real fat.. like lard and coconut oil...

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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:28:14 PM

Subject: lemon pudding/ (was Re: Dehydrating

sprouts/Sparrow)

Anyone ever try " frying " food in water rather than oil? Stuff doesn't stick and

it works well, but most likely doesn't have as good of a flavor. At least you're

not getting a processed food with water.

Barb

So I did use the coconut oil, and I will continue to

> > use it (sparingly) because I do watch my calorie count.

> >

>

>

>

>

> At this point, I need the calories. I've lost a lot of weight, and am where

> I think I should be right now. Don't want to loose more! But, I am really

> not using the coconut oil, like I was while loosing. I ate the stuff like it

> was going to be taken away from me!!! LOL.

>

> :~)

> Thia

>

>

>

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I have done some stir fry with just water, when I use oil it is not frying

as I used to do it is more like a slow simmer. Oh and I think I have

simmered Chicken and fish in water and lemon juice and a little butter. We

have I guess gotten rather used to not frying in the traditional sense.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:28 PM, bhans2 <bhans2@...> wrote:

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>

> Anyone ever try " frying " food in water rather than oil? Stuff doesn't stick

> and it works well, but most likely doesn't have as good of a flavor. At

> least you're not getting a processed food with water.

>

> Barb

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I'm with ya on the nuts, seeds, and avocados!

:~)

Thia

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:56 PM, bhans2 <bhans2@...> wrote:

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> Lard?? Beef, ok. Although I do eat some olive oil and a little cod liver

> oil, I prefer to get my oils from the whole foods. Olives and fish anyone?

> Nuts and seeds? Avocados? Yum. You are right that we do need fat in our

> diets. I can be a bit more fussy than most.

>

> Barb

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It is an animal derived saturated fat. So, I suppose it depends on your

perspective, and goals. Pig fat (lard) might be considered more natural,

*perhaps* less processed than other oils(?). I really don't know, just

guessing here. I do know that lots of folks cook veggies in bacon fat.

Thia

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:49 PM, melodylubart1 <eliz7212@...>wrote:

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> LARD??? LARD???

>

> This is healthy??? I have never ever heard that it's good to use lard.

> That's a new one for me.

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> Melody

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Thia .... <bipolyf@...> wrote:

> It is an animal derived saturated fat. So, I suppose it depends on your

> perspective, and goals. Pig fat (lard) might be considered more natural,

> *perhaps* less processed than other oils(?). I really don't know, just

> guessing here. I do know that lots of folks cook veggies in bacon fat.

>

>

>

> Thia

>

>

>

>

>

> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:49 PM, melodylubart1 <eliz7212@...>wrote:

>

>>

>> LARD??? LARD???

>>

>> This is healthy??? I have never ever heard that it's good to use lard.

>> That's a new one for me.

>>

>> Melody

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On 4/23/09, melodylubart1 <eliz7212@...> wrote:

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> LARD??? LARD???

>

> This is healthy??? I have never ever heard that it's good to

> use lard. That's a new one for me.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Weston Price folks favor lard. A glance

at Wikipedia tells me that lard from most supermarkets is not the

healthiest choice, however:

" Industrially-produced lard, including much of the lard sold in

supermarkets, is rendered from a mixture of high and low quality fat

sources from throughout the pig.[8] It is typically hydrogenated

(which produces trans fats as a by-product), and often treated with

bleaching and deodorizing agents, emulsifiers, and antioxidants, such

as BHT.[4][9] Such treatment makes lard shelf stable. (Untreated lard

must be refrigerated or frozen to prevent rancidity.)[10][11]

" Consumers seeking a higher-quality source of lard typically seek out

artisanal producers of rendered lard, or render it themselves from

leaf lard or fatback.[8][11][12][13][14] "

So, leaving aside the question of whether lard is good or bad (I would

assume high quality lard ranks alongside high quality butter as far as

health issues go) I don't think I'd want to eat something that's been

hydrogenated, bleached, deodorized and BHT-ed.

p.s. http://pics.gormagon.org/2008/10/30/eat-more-lard/

http://flickr.com/photos/67446522@N00/211042337

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Yes Thia, once upon a time when we were still relatively healthy, that is what

people cooked with, then came hydrogentated oils and high fructose corn syrup

and today, people on that diet are ill..

Real food, just remember, no matter what your diet preference, eat real food.  I

do paleo, so that cuts out grains, and any other food that has to be processed

[not cooked, cooking is ok] before it can be eaten, including potatoes and peas.

Lauara

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From: Thia .... <bipolyf@...>

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:29:10 AM

Subject: Re: lemon pudding/ (was Re: Dehydrating

sprouts/Sparrow)

It is an animal derived saturated fat. So, I suppose it depends on your

perspective, and goals. Pig fat (lard) might be considered more natural,

*perhaps* less processed than other oils(?). I really don't know, just

guessing here. I do know that lots of folks cook veggies in bacon fat.

Thia

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:49 PM, melodylubart1 <eliz7212verizon (DOT) net>wrote:

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> LARD??? LARD???

>

> This is healthy??? I have never ever heard that it's good to use lard.

> That's a new one for me.

>

> Melody

>

>

>

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That last para made little since... no potatoes, you can not eat them raw.. same

with peas and grains.. the foods you can eat raw you can cook...

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From: Cody <lecody2001@...>

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 6:28:00 AM

Subject: Re: lemon pudding/ (was Re: Dehydrating

sprouts/Sparrow)

Yes Thia, once upon a time when we were still relatively healthy, that is what

people cooked with, then came hydrogentated oils and high fructose corn syrup

and today, people on that diet are ill..

Real food, just remember, no matter what your diet preference, eat real food.  I

do paleo, so that cuts out grains, and any other food that has to be processed

[not cooked, cooking is ok] before it can be eaten, including potatoes and peas.

Lauara

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From: Thia .... <bipolyfgmail (DOT) com>

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:29:10 AM

Subject: Re: lemon pudding/ (was Re: Dehydrating

sprouts/Sparrow)

It is an animal derived saturated fat. So, I suppose it depends on your

perspective, and goals. Pig fat (lard) might be considered more natural,

*perhaps* less processed than other oils(?). I really don't know, just

guessing here. I do know that lots of folks cook veggies in bacon fat.

Thia

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:49 PM, melodylubart1 <eliz7212verizon (DOT) net>wrote:

>

> LARD??? LARD???

>

> This is healthy??? I have never ever heard that it's good to use lard.

> That's a new one for me.

>

> Melody

>

>

>

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Lard makes me sick! Much to heavy.

We use Olive Oil, Organic Butter, and occasionally Coconut Oil. By the way

when I purchased Spectrum it tasted nothing like coconuts.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:49 PM, melodylubart1 <eliz7212@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> LARD??? LARD???

>

> This is healthy??? I have never ever heard that it's good to use lard.

> That's a new one for me.

>

> Melody

>

>

> So I did use the coconut oil, and I will

> continue to

> > > > > use it (sparingly) because I do watch my calorie count.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > At this point, I need the calories. I've lost a lot of weight, and am

> where

> > > > I think I should be right now. Don't want to loose more! But, I am

> really

> > > > not using the coconut oil, like I was while loosing. I ate the stuff

> like it

> > > > was going to be taken away from me!!! LOL.

> > > >

> > > > :~)

> > > > Thia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Those pics are priceless! Thanks for sharing. :~)

Thia

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote:

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>

> So, leaving aside the question of whether lard is good or bad (I would

> assume high quality lard ranks alongside high quality butter as far as

> health issues go) I don't think I'd want to eat something that's been

> hydrogenated, bleached, deodorized and BHT-ed.

>

> p.s. http://pics.gormagon.org/2008/10/30/eat-more-lard/

> http://flickr.com/photos/67446522@N00/211042337

>

> Sparrow

>

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Ok, I am compleately with ya on the first paragraph. But you lost me at the

end of the second. Are you saying that potatoes and peas have to be somehow

processed before eating? I've eaten peas raw fresh out of a garden. What

needs to be done with them? I've heard potatoes should be cooked, although

I don't know why. (I know about them containing arsinic, but cooking

doesn't get rid of that). But you are ok with cooking, so what needs to by

done to potatoes and peas by your lights?

Thia

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Cody <lecody2001@...> wrote:

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>

> Yes Thia, once upon a time when we were still relatively healthy, that is

> what people cooked with, then came hydrogentated oils and high fructose corn

> syrup and today, people on that diet are ill..

>

> Real food, just remember, no matter what your diet preference, eat real

> food. I do paleo, so that cuts out grains, and any other food that has to

> be processed [not cooked, cooking is ok] before it can be eaten, including

> potatoes and peas.

>

> Lauara

>

>

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