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Sep 21, 2009 05:07:53 PM, kelly.beringer@... wrote:

Dr. Hartje, You should have also received our Executive Director's response on thismatter. That is the final determination of the board (not mine whichwas not correctly stated; sorry to mislead you). Ms. J. BeringerAdministrative Assistant, OBCE.Beringer@...Direct Line (503) 373-1573Thank you for contacting the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners. Wewould appreciate your feedback on our services. Please fill out thisCustomer Satisfaction Survey and click Done at the end.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=gAH3DdqrwCWiCphXJ6na8g_3d_3d>>> " G. Hartje, DC" <billhartje@...> 9/20/2009 4:46 PM>>>,Please extend my thanks to you and the board's time in reviewing myquestion. Your reply left me with the impression that "because thetechnique is not taught at any chiropractic college the Board cannotallow it within the scope". My search revealed that it is beingoffered, as postgraduate training, at a few chiropractic colleges. Itappears New York Chiropractic College has listed on their post-graduateseminars a "dry needling technique" seminar, being offered on January17-24, 2010 by Fishkin, DC, MPH. I have also noted that theAnglo-European College of Chiropractic and Chiropractic & OsteopathicCollege of Australia are offering dry needling programs as well,although since these are out of the U.S. I'm not sure if they met theboards criteria. Please let me know if I interperted your emailincorrectly, since it appears New York College of Chiropractic isoffering a seminar on "dry needling".Thanks again,Bill Hartje, DC, MS Six Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 18, 2009 08:28:21 PM, kelly.beringer@... wrote:Hi Dr. Hartje, The Board considered your request, and it was an unanimous "no, dryneedling is NOT within Oregon Scope of chiropractic practice" - notevenunder minor surgery. Because the technique is not taught at anychiropractic college the Board cannot allow it within the scope. ORS 684.010(2)( which defines chiropractic states, "(2)“Chiropractic†is defined as... ( The chiropractic diagnosis,treatment and prevention of body dysfunction; correction, maintenanceofthe structural and functional integrity of the neuro-musculoskeletalsystem and the effects thereof or interferences therewith by theutilization of all recognized and accepted chiropractic diagnosticprocedures and the employment of all rational therapeutic measures astaught in approved chiropractic colleges."I know this is a disappointment, but it is their "final answer." ;-) Ms. J. BeringerAdministrative Assistant, OBCE.Beringer@... Direct Line (503) 373-1573Thank you for contacting the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners.Wewould appreciate your feedback on our services. Please fill out thisCustomer Satisfaction Survey and click Done at the end.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=gAH3DdqrwCWiCphXJ6na8g_3d_3d >>> " G. Hartje, DC" <billhartje@...> 9/18/2009 11:37AM>>>,What is the response?thanksDr. HSix Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 14, 2009 08:32:13 PM, kelly.beringer@... wrote:Hello Dr. Hartje,Forgive me! Yes, the board will be reviewing your request at thisThursday's board meeting 9/17/09. Please feel free to call me onFridaythe 18th for their response. (Sorry, again for the delay) Ms. J. BeringerAdministrative Assistant, OBCE.Beringer@... Direct Line (503) 373-1573Thank you for contacting the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners.Wewould appreciate your feedback on our services. Please fill out thisCustomer Satisfaction Survey and click Done at the end.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=gAH3DdqrwCWiCphXJ6na8g_3d_3d >>> " G. Hartje, DC" <billhartje@...> 9/14/2009 1:22 PM>>>,Do you have a definitive answer to whether "dry needling" is within ornot within an Oregon DC's scope of practice? Or is this a question theboard needs to make a decision at a monthly meeting? Thanks,Dr. HSix Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 9, 2009 11:22:10 PM, billhartje@... wrote:,In addition to the previous email and the suggested web link readings,I also have noted that as of July 17, 2009 the Physical Therapy Boardhas determined that "dry needling" is within a physical therapist orphysical therapist assistant scope of practice and evidently notconsidered acupuncture.http://www.oregon.gov/PTBrd/docs/Publications/Newsletter.Summer.2009 Maybe this will also help in the boards decision on whether "dryneedling" is or is not within the scope of practice of a Oregon DC.Thank-you for you prompt reply,Six Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 8, 2009 07:33:02 PM, billhartje@... wrote:,I forgot to add this link for more information, as it relatesspecifically to chiropractic and how another state has incorporatedthiswithin their scope.http://www.marylandchiro.com/index.php?file=tpl_main.html Six Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 8, 2009 06:51:37 PM, billhartje@... wrote:For more information, please seehttp://www.dryneedlingcourse.com/we_offer_you.htm According to the course description "systemic dry needling coursepresents a modern modality that is not related to Traditional ChineseAcupuncture". "Dry needling has its own theoretical concepts,terminology, needling technique and clinical application". It is usedfor different types of myofascial pain and other musculoskeletal pain.I am not clear with your statement of needling "not" for "therapeutic"purposes, since anesthetics in minor surgery would be "therapeutic" inrelationship to the minor surgical procedure. Thank-you for theclarification.Bill Hartje, DC, MSSix Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 8, 2009 03:59:19 PM, oregon.obce@... wrote:Hello Dr. Harttje, Please explain to me what "dry needling" is. I can tell you that anyneedling is allowed for diagnostic purposes, NOT therapeutic; and inthecase of minor surgery for the use of antiseptics and localanesthetics.What can you tell me? Please reply to kelly.beringer@... Weareshort-staffed this week and I'm checking the OBCE's general mail(somewhat inconsistently!) Thank you for contacting the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners.Wewould appreciate your feedback on our services. Please fill out thisCustomer Satisfaction Survey and click Done at the end.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=2pVFO8NYaqPS5eft7GxBVA_3d_3d >>> " G. Hartje, DC" <billhartje@...> 9/3/2009 1:19 PM>>>Is "dry needling" technique within the scope of practice of achiropractor who is certified in minor surgery?Bill Hartje, DC, MSSix Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037

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Sep 21, 2009 05:07:53 PM, kelly.beringer@... wrote:

Dr. Hartje, You should have also received our Executive Director's response on thismatter. That is the final determination of the board (not mine whichwas not correctly stated; sorry to mislead you). Ms. J. BeringerAdministrative Assistant, OBCE.Beringer@...Direct Line (503) 373-1573Thank you for contacting the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners. Wewould appreciate your feedback on our services. Please fill out thisCustomer Satisfaction Survey and click Done at the end.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=gAH3DdqrwCWiCphXJ6na8g_3d_3d>>> " G. Hartje, DC" <billhartje@...> 9/20/2009 4:46 PM>>>,Please extend my thanks to you and the board's time in reviewing myquestion. Your reply left me with the impression that "because thetechnique is not taught at any chiropractic college the Board cannotallow it within the scope". My search revealed that it is beingoffered, as postgraduate training, at a few chiropractic colleges. Itappears New York Chiropractic College has listed on their post-graduateseminars a "dry needling technique" seminar, being offered on January17-24, 2010 by Fishkin, DC, MPH. I have also noted that theAnglo-European College of Chiropractic and Chiropractic & OsteopathicCollege of Australia are offering dry needling programs as well,although since these are out of the U.S. I'm not sure if they met theboards criteria. Please let me know if I interperted your emailincorrectly, since it appears New York College of Chiropractic isoffering a seminar on "dry needling".Thanks again,Bill Hartje, DC, MS Six Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 18, 2009 08:28:21 PM, kelly.beringer@... wrote:Hi Dr. Hartje, The Board considered your request, and it was an unanimous "no, dryneedling is NOT within Oregon Scope of chiropractic practice" - notevenunder minor surgery. Because the technique is not taught at anychiropractic college the Board cannot allow it within the scope. ORS 684.010(2)( which defines chiropractic states, "(2)“Chiropractic†is defined as... ( The chiropractic diagnosis,treatment and prevention of body dysfunction; correction, maintenanceofthe structural and functional integrity of the neuro-musculoskeletalsystem and the effects thereof or interferences therewith by theutilization of all recognized and accepted chiropractic diagnosticprocedures and the employment of all rational therapeutic measures astaught in approved chiropractic colleges."I know this is a disappointment, but it is their "final answer." ;-) Ms. J. BeringerAdministrative Assistant, OBCE.Beringer@... Direct Line (503) 373-1573Thank you for contacting the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners.Wewould appreciate your feedback on our services. Please fill out thisCustomer Satisfaction Survey and click Done at the end.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=gAH3DdqrwCWiCphXJ6na8g_3d_3d >>> " G. Hartje, DC" <billhartje@...> 9/18/2009 11:37AM>>>,What is the response?thanksDr. HSix Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 14, 2009 08:32:13 PM, kelly.beringer@... wrote:Hello Dr. Hartje,Forgive me! Yes, the board will be reviewing your request at thisThursday's board meeting 9/17/09. Please feel free to call me onFridaythe 18th for their response. (Sorry, again for the delay) Ms. J. BeringerAdministrative Assistant, OBCE.Beringer@... Direct Line (503) 373-1573Thank you for contacting the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners.Wewould appreciate your feedback on our services. Please fill out thisCustomer Satisfaction Survey and click Done at the end.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=gAH3DdqrwCWiCphXJ6na8g_3d_3d >>> " G. Hartje, DC" <billhartje@...> 9/14/2009 1:22 PM>>>,Do you have a definitive answer to whether "dry needling" is within ornot within an Oregon DC's scope of practice? Or is this a question theboard needs to make a decision at a monthly meeting? Thanks,Dr. HSix Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 9, 2009 11:22:10 PM, billhartje@... wrote:,In addition to the previous email and the suggested web link readings,I also have noted that as of July 17, 2009 the Physical Therapy Boardhas determined that "dry needling" is within a physical therapist orphysical therapist assistant scope of practice and evidently notconsidered acupuncture.http://www.oregon.gov/PTBrd/docs/Publications/Newsletter.Summer.2009 Maybe this will also help in the boards decision on whether "dryneedling" is or is not within the scope of practice of a Oregon DC.Thank-you for you prompt reply,Six Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 8, 2009 07:33:02 PM, billhartje@... wrote:,I forgot to add this link for more information, as it relatesspecifically to chiropractic and how another state has incorporatedthiswithin their scope.http://www.marylandchiro.com/index.php?file=tpl_main.html Six Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 8, 2009 06:51:37 PM, billhartje@... wrote:For more information, please seehttp://www.dryneedlingcourse.com/we_offer_you.htm According to the course description "systemic dry needling coursepresents a modern modality that is not related to Traditional ChineseAcupuncture". "Dry needling has its own theoretical concepts,terminology, needling technique and clinical application". It is usedfor different types of myofascial pain and other musculoskeletal pain.I am not clear with your statement of needling "not" for "therapeutic"purposes, since anesthetics in minor surgery would be "therapeutic" inrelationship to the minor surgical procedure. Thank-you for theclarification.Bill Hartje, DC, MSSix Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037Sep 8, 2009 03:59:19 PM, oregon.obce@... wrote:Hello Dr. Harttje, Please explain to me what "dry needling" is. I can tell you that anyneedling is allowed for diagnostic purposes, NOT therapeutic; and inthecase of minor surgery for the use of antiseptics and localanesthetics.What can you tell me? Please reply to kelly.beringer@... Weareshort-staffed this week and I'm checking the OBCE's general mail(somewhat inconsistently!) Thank you for contacting the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners.Wewould appreciate your feedback on our services. Please fill out thisCustomer Satisfaction Survey and click Done at the end.http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=2pVFO8NYaqPS5eft7GxBVA_3d_3d >>> " G. Hartje, DC" <billhartje@...> 9/3/2009 1:19 PM>>>Is "dry needling" technique within the scope of practice of achiropractor who is certified in minor surgery?Bill Hartje, DC, MSSix Factors of Healthwww.drhartje.com (503) 684-6037