Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 On Sat, 29 May 2004 12:55:20 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > I would like to have the opinions on how > Honey absolute is really made. I have called > around in order to lay a groundwork but > no one really wants to elucidate on the process. Honey abs or Beeswax abs? Supplier / Vendor. -= ß =- _______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 At 05:22 PM 5/29/2004 -0400, you wrote: >On Sat, 29 May 2004 12:55:20 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >> I would like to have the opinions on how >> Honey absolute is really made. I have called >> around in order to lay a groundwork but >> no one really wants to elucidate on the process. > >Honey abs or Beeswax abs? > >Supplier / Vendor. Hi Chris: I'd be interested in some information on both honey and beeswax abs, since you brought it up :-) As far as supplier or vendor, hey, send that info along, too! Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 On May 29, 2004, at 2:24 PM, Anya wrote: > At 05:22 PM 5/29/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >On Sat, 29 May 2004 12:55:20 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > > >> I would like to have the opinions on how > >> Honey absolute is really made. I have called > >> around in order to lay a groundwork but > >> no one really wants to elucidate on the process. > > > >Honey abs or Beeswax abs? > > > >Supplier / Vendor. > > Hi Chris: > I'd be interested in some information on both honey and beeswax abs, > since > you brought it up :-) > > As far as supplier or vendor, hey, send that info along, too! > > Anya > http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady Re: a vendor for Honey Absolute, I saw that offered from Prima Fleur. Jeanne has mentioned them before and although I have not ordered from them I do have their information: info@... www.primafleur.com They list Honey Absolute as SE, solvent extracted. If you contact them perhaps they will let you know more. Sandi , R.A. Certified Integrative Aromatherapist Force of Nature Aromatherapy Custom Blends for Your Well Being www.forceofnaturearomatherapy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 > > www.primafleur.com > > Primafleur??? Ummmmm...... sells by volume? The industry buys and > sells by weight. > > I would request a Technical Data Sheet, along with an MSDS on the > product (if they know what that is<g>)< They've been around for 20 years. I suspect they know what a MSDS is. Perhaps they find their " web " customers prefer to buy by volume -- or perhaps just to compare costs by volume. I'm quite sure if you want to purchase by weight they will offer you that opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 At 12:43 AM 5/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >Primafleur??? Ummmmm...... sells by volume? The industry buys and >sells by weight. Don't forget, many of us here (and the newbie suppliers that we buy from, since 'the industry' doesn't want to be bothered by the teeny aromatherapy and amateur perfumery trade) are beginners, and we thought fluid was the way to buy for years. I just got my digital scale about two years ago (have two, now, actually, one that goes up to 5lb in 1gm increments, and another that does .1gm increments.) I remember stumbling across Lebermuth's catalog and being amazed at the fluid vs weight chart they had. Ask any supplier to the aromatherapy trade if their customers would be happy ordering " one ounce " and getting a one ounce bottle that only looked about 75% full. Maybe that supplier was packing one ounce by weight of a dense product into the bottle, but the end consumer would feel shorted. It will just take time and education for us newbies to catch up. I did go to the primafleur website and they state 'fluid' for everything. Somebody buy those people a scale :-) Or have them, and other suppliers, describe the volume vs. weight issue on the site. I *know* I understand it when it comes to potato chips! :-O >I would request a Technical Data Sheet, along with an MSDS on the >product (if they know what that is<g>), and maybe a CAS number would >be useful. FWIW, I would wager that this is Beeswax Absolute. Hey, still waiting for you to inform us of the difference between beeswax and honey abs. Nobody else has chimed in, so I'm betting nobody else knows. I mean we know the diff between the substances, but I think the original question had to do with production. Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Re: Honey Absolute >I would request a Technical Data Sheet, along with an MSDS on the >product (if they know what that is<g>), and maybe a CAS number would >be useful. FWIW, I would wager that this is Beeswax Absolute. Hey, still waiting for you to inform us of the difference between beeswax and honey abs. Nobody else has chimed in, so I'm betting nobody else knows. I mean we know the diff between the substances, but I think the original question had to do with production. I have both beeswax absolute and honey absolute (I bought the latter from at White Lotus Aromatics). Although I don't have information about how the honey is solvent extracted, I can say that the honey absolute is distinct from the beeswax absolute in both consistency and aroma. Lindenblossom Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 On Sun, 30 May 2004 11:57:19 -0400, you wrote: > Hey, still waiting for you to inform us of the difference between beeswax > and honey abs. Nobody else has chimed in, so I'm betting nobody else knows. > I mean we know the diff between the substances, but I think the original > question had to do with production. At this juncture, Beeswax abs is the only real thing that I know. All the Honey " Abs " are creative reconstructions..... but what do I know. I think this may come from a nomencalture issue. ex: Abs Miel, may actually be the wax (honeycomb AND the honey in it), so it's really Beeswax absolute, but since it smell very much like honey, why not call it honey absolute! For example, there is no such thing as Lilac Absolute, yet it has been made. You can make anything for the right price, or on a small scale. So, I will not claim that " honey abs " does not exist, what I would do is request a Technical Data Sheet that also reveals the starting material, the process and solvent used. Simplistically, the maker would take honey, and create a slurry with Ethanol (alcohol), Hexane, Pentane, Flurocarbon (Aerosol), or other solvent. Then the solvent is removed by distillation, be it cool, warm or hot. The mass that is left is then mixed with alcohol, the mess filtered, and the alcohol evaporated. Presto, honey absolute. This should be more expensice than Beeswax abs, as the honey is a concentrated material. eg. you need more hone for the same end product as honey and beeswax. Furthermore, Beeswax is a by product, a rejected material, use by the candle industry. BTW, if you start with alcohol, which is most likely the quickest way, since the honey is already devoid of plant material and color, you immediately get the absolute. There you are...... -= ß =- _______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 > > I have honey absolute that came from White Lotus Aromatics. It > smells like slightly liquored-up honey, looks faintly crystallized > like honey does over time, and it tastes faintly like honey > (yeah, I did the pinky test, tsk tsk; I was jonesing for hexane so nyahh). Hi! I'm new to the board and have been lurking for a while. I just did a search on " The pinky test " . Is this a way to detect hexane in Absolutes and floral waxes? thanka, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 > <abnaturals@...> wrote: " lobelia2001 " <lobelia2001@> wrote: > > I have honey absolute that came from White Lotus Aromatics. It > > smells like slightly liquored-up honey, looks faintly crystallized > > like honey does over time, and it tastes faintly like honey > > (yeah, I did the pinky test, tsk tsk; I was jonesing for hexane so > nyahh). > > Hi! I'm new to the board and have been lurking for a while. I just > did a search on " The pinky test " . Is this a way to detect hexane in > Absolutes and floral waxes? > > thanka, Well, yes, that would be one method to try to detect hexane, but I'm guessing she was joking, though I wouldn't recommend that method. Maybe people who've bought honey absolute have a different opinion. And welcome to the board! Feel free to share your experience with blending or sniffing, what oils you like and what you make with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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