Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Hi all, After doing an assessment and trying all the protocols, I found that my patient responded extremely well to F4, 8-12 up, 2-5 and 15-38 down. At first he felt more relaxed for a day or two. Lately he hasn't responded as well -- as of the 9th time we used this protocol, he only felt relaxed during the session but it went away as soon as he left. Do you suggest continuing with this protocol for a little while to see if it improves, moving back to P4, to which he had responded well (but not quite as well as F4) or doing something else? Also, he is a worrier and wants me to ask the listserv this question -- if he feels the same during F4 training as during a meditation, why is this any different from meditation? I think I gave him a good answer, which is that it may feel the same but our training is more targeted to his individual needs. However, that may be the wrong answer, so I was hoping for some suggestions from some of you! Thanks! Hiatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 , One thing that may be happening with the changes after 9 sessions is that he doesn't remember how he felt before he tried the training the first time. The further he has to go to get to a new brain place, the larger the change he will experience. I might continue to do some of this (not having any idea what else is on the training plan or what his issues are) but add some other protocols as well. Worriers might well have hot cingulate activity, high fast activity in the temporals or beta reversals front/back. Those might be good things (if they are there) to combine with the cooling of the right prefrontal area you are doing at F4. My first response to his question about meditation is that, based on his report of feeling extremely good after the earlier sessions, I don't think it IS the same feeling. Maybe what he is now doing is going to the same place in training that he does when he meditates, so he doesn't feel as strong a result, and he doesn't notice much of a difference. His meditation is certainly a good thing to practice, and if he does that and sees changes in alpha on the eeg machine, he should continue it. One point that might speak to both of these issues: Any experienced meditator (or dieter or athlete or performer) recognizes the reality of plateaus. You start doing something, and there's a period of exciting change, but then the change tails off and you are on the dreaded plateau. Any change in a complex chaotic system (like a brain) moves from set point (or attractor) to set point. Once a new set point is reached (and 9 sessions is not an unreasonable period for that to happen), the entire system has to re-organize around the new point to make it stable. If you keep training (or dieting, or working out, or practicing), even without the exciting reinforcement of visible changes after each session, after the integration of the new state has taken place, you start another move to a new set point. The idea of continuing to work the brain in that direction (though perhaps not exclusively) and adding something else to complement it would be what I would pursue. pete Van DeusenBrainTrainer ()16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157305/321-1595 A protocol question Hi all,After doing an assessment and trying all the protocols, I found that my patient responded extremely well to F4, 8-12 up, 2-5 and 15-38 down. At first he felt more relaxed for a day or two. Lately he hasn't responded as well -- as of the 9th time we used this protocol, he only felt relaxed during the session but it went away as soon as he left. Do you suggest continuing with this protocol for a little while to see if it improves, moving back to P4, to which he had responded well (but not quite as well as F4) or doing something else?Also, he is a worrier and wants me to ask the listserv this question -- if he feels the same during F4 training as during a meditation, why is this any different from meditation? I think I gave him a good answer, which is that it may feel the same but our training is more targeted to his individual needs. However, that may be the wrong answer, so I was hoping for some suggestions from some of you! Thanks! Hiatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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