Insomnia

[Guest guest]

,

You need to take a sleep medication. If your doctor

understands what FM is all about, she will prescribe a

sleep medication for you. If not, you need to find a

doctor who will.

What if you found an online support group for FM, and

asked then to recommend a doctor in your area. A sleep

disorder goes hand-in-glove with FM. . . They can

induce FM in anyone by depriving them of sleep long

enough. . . Most people will bounce back after

catching up on their sleep, but those prone to FM have

something new to contend with!

I've been taking a sleep medication for at least five

years, probably seven. I haven't noticed any side

effects. I have done without the pills on occasion,

and I still sleep, but not as deeply. Deep sleep is

when your body repairs the wear and tear of daily

life. Without deep sleep, your body is going to

gradually go downhill.

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

> i'm 50, was an insomniac my whole life til i discovered exercise,

> hot baths and, since menopause began, progesterone cream.

>

> it's summer so no hot baths...but nothing seems to work now.

>

> but this is the story of my life...when i have a problem, and find

a

> solution, health/nutrition wise, it never seems to last.

>

> it's like my body WANTS to have this problem and gets used to

> whatever remedy i found...so then i have to find another remedy.

> this has happened in several areas.

>

> laura in nj

,

I saw this article:

http://www.sambiser.com/discoveries/exhaustion.html

and thought of you and this post. It's on the same web site as the

article about how alcohol in moderation (including Scotch) isn't all

bad.

I wish I didn't have to spend $100 to find out what was in his

book. I am curious and agree with him on some things, but I'm not

convinced that he's not a greedy con artist himself... $100 is peanuts

if he knows even a fraction of what he says he does, but $100 to find

out? I'm not there yet.

On another front: have you tried a completely dark room at night for

your insomnia?

You've probably seen it, but here's a link to Singer's article

that was in Wise Traditions a year or two ago about night lighting.

http://www.westonaprice.org/women/fertility.html

It's about fertility and light, but fertility/hormones/menopause, it's

a different stage of the same thing, isn't it?

I hope you find some relief!

all the best,

Jan

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

> I saw this article:

> http://www.sambiser.com/discoveries/exhaustion.html

>

> and thought of you and this post. It's on the same web site as the

> article about how alcohol in moderation (including Scotch) isn't all

> bad.

Jan, thanks for posting that...i thought i read every article on his

web site but i guess i missed this one. it certainly speaks directly

to me.

>

> I wish I didn't have to spend $100 to find out what was in his

> book. I am curious and agree with him on some things, but I'm not

> convinced that he's not a greedy con artist himself... $100 is

peanuts

> if he knows even a fraction of what he says he does, but $100 to

find

> out? I'm not there yet.

well...i agree with you, however, i think i AM there. the article

makes me feel like i have no choice but order the course (and he

calls it a course not a book...so maybe it's a lot more info in the

course than an average book?). so i'm going to shell out the c-note

and buy it.

the person here who originally posted the article on alcohol...is it

Mike? i'm sorry, i have no memory anymore and i constantly mix up

the people here. anyway, whoever it was (forgive me) has been into

this guy for a long time and has his original course...and so, maybe

he can tell us...is it really worth it? or just more promises only

to end in disappointment? (story of my life)

>

> On another front: have you tried a completely dark room at night for

> your insomnia?

yes i have. we moved and it's VERY dark here...love it. i think it

does help but not always, obviously.

> You've probably seen it, but here's a link to Singer's article

> that was in Wise Traditions a year or two ago about night lighting.

> http://www.westonaprice.org/women/fertility.html

yes, i have read it, very interesting.

> >

> I hope you find some relief!

thanks, Jan...i slept better last night. what i did was, yesterday i

decided to start getting more sun. sun makes me sleepy...and while i

burn easily, if i start out 5 min. each side and gradually work my

way up...you know, a day at the beach and i sleep like a log. so i

went to the town pool yesterday. the first day is always the

hardest...self conscious cuz of my wt. but i have to tell myself that

nobody cares, and if they care, then that's their problem and not

mine.

also, i have noticed that whenever i try undereating somewhat in my

ever ongoing attempt to lose wt., whenever i try eating not as much

as usual i develop insomnia. and that's one factor this past week.

so i have to basically choose between sleep and wt. loss. i was

diagnosed as bipolar over 30 years ago so i don't know if that has

anything to do with it. i'm much better now, either because i

outgrew it or because i take better care of myself or both.

Jan, thanks for all your care and concern...i really, really

appreciate it. :-)

laura in nj

[Guest guest]

> > ,

> > I saw this article:

> > http://www.sambiser.com/discoveries/exhaustion.html

> >

> > and thought of you and this post. It's on the same web site as the

> > article about how alcohol in moderation (including Scotch) isn't

> > all bad.

>

> Jan, thanks for posting that...i thought i read every article on

his

> web site but i guess i missed this one. it certainly speaks

> directly to me.

Unfortunately it speaks to me too. :-)

> > I wish I didn't have to spend $100 to find out what was in his

> > book. I am curious and agree with him on some things, but I'm not

> > convinced that he's not a greedy con artist himself... $100 is

> > peanuts if he knows even a fraction of what he says he does, but

> > $100 to find out? I'm not there yet.

>

> well...i agree with you, however, i think i AM there. the article

> makes me feel like i have no choice but order the course (and he

> calls it a course not a book...so maybe it's a lot more info in the

> course than an average book?). so i'm going to shell out the

c-note

> and buy it.

I'm sorry to hear that you need to buy it, but am very, very

interested to hear what you think once you've read it.

> the person here who originally posted the article on alcohol...is

it

> Mike? i'm sorry, i have no memory anymore and i constantly mix up

> the people here. anyway, whoever it was (forgive me) has been into

> this guy for a long time and has his original course...and so,

maybe

> he can tell us...is it really worth it? or just more promises only

> to end in disappointment? (story of my life)

I looked it up. It was Mike (aka slethnobotanist).

Mike, can you tell us what you think of Sam Biser's ideas and

credibility?

> yes i have. we moved and it's VERY dark here...love it. i think

> it does help but not always, obviously.

I love to sleep in a dark room too. My kids love the story about the

time not long ago when my husband woke up in the middle of the night,

and thought he was

blind because it was so dark in the room... :-)

> also, i have noticed that whenever i try undereating somewhat in my

> ever ongoing attempt to lose wt., whenever i try eating not as much

> as usual i develop insomnia.

Until recently, I had the same thing happen whenever I under ate.

(Makes it hard to lose weight, esp. since I love to sleep.) I have

found a 'cure' though, in the last few months. If I combine the

Warrior Diet (eat very little until the evening, then eat a big meal)

with a coconut diet (basically I 'eat' small amounts of coconut

oil/cream during the day), I sleep great at night even if my total

calories for the day was low. I know, have I lost weight? yes. Not as

quickly or consistently as I would like. Old habits are hard to break,

but the trend is in the right direction, and I do like eating like

this. The hard part is fixing meals for my family that I'm not going

to eat, and nibbling just because it's there...

Take care,

Jan

[Guest guest]

..

> Unfortunately it speaks to me too. :-)

i bet it speaks to a lot of people.

> I'm sorry to hear that you need to buy it, but am very, very

> interested to hear what you think once you've read it.

i'll let you know...but i probably won't order it for another month

or two til our finances calm down, and anyway i don't think it's out

yet.

>

> Until recently, I had the same thing happen whenever I under ate.

> (Makes it hard to lose weight, esp. since I love to sleep.) I have

> found a 'cure' though, in the last few months. If I combine the

> Warrior Diet (eat very little until the evening, then eat a big

meal)

> with a coconut diet (basically I 'eat' small amounts of coconut

> oil/cream during the day), I sleep great at night even if my total

> calories for the day was low.

Jan, i have the warrior diet but haven't finished it yet; and i read

sally's EFLF.

do you follow the warrior diet as far as eating the food he says? or

do you not eat all day and just eat at night, but pretty much the

food you want rather than what he says?

have I lost weight? yes.

woohoo!! good for you!

Not as

> quickly or consistently as I would like.

hey...moving in the right direction is what counts. if i lost a lb a

month i'd be happy; at least i wouldn't be gaining or staying the

same.

laura in nj

[Guest guest]

> > Until recently, I had the same thing happen whenever I under ate.

> > (Makes it hard to lose weight, esp. since I love to sleep.) I have

> > found a 'cure' though, in the last few months. If I combine the

> > Warrior Diet (eat very little until the evening, then eat a big

> meal)

> > with a coconut diet (basically I 'eat' small amounts of coconut

> > oil/cream during the day), I sleep great at night even if my total

> > calories for the day was low.

>

> Jan, i have the warrior diet but haven't finished it yet; and i

read

> sally's EFLF.

>

> do you follow the warrior diet as far as eating the food he says?

or

> do you not eat all day and just eat at night, but pretty much the

> food you want rather than what he says?

I eat NT foods, but use the Warrior Diet 'timing'. I would prefer to

eat nothing during the day, because it would be easier, but if I'm

hungry I eat something. During the day that something is high fat &

low carb - usually coconut oil or coconut cream. I'm amazed at how

little it takes, and how after a week or so I wasn't very hungry (and

my energy level was good) during the day.

> have I lost weight? yes.

>

> woohoo!! good for you!

>

> > Not as

> > quickly or consistently as I would like.

>

> hey...moving in the right direction is what counts. if i lost a lb

> a month i'd be happy; at least i wouldn't be gaining or staying the

> the same.

You're right. I do need an attitude adjustment here. Nothing wrong

with slow and steady. But I had SO hoped I wouldn't have to dread

bathing suit season this year!

Jan

[Guest guest]

> I eat NT foods, but use the Warrior Diet 'timing'.

That's what i've been trying to do.

I would prefer to

> eat nothing during the day, because it would be easier, but if I'm

> hungry I eat something.

that's what i do too. some days i feel better if i eat nothing.

other days i feel better if i eat something.

During the day that something is high fat &

> low carb - usually coconut oil or coconut cream. I'm amazed at how

> little it takes, and how after a week or so I wasn't very hungry

(and

> my energy level was good) during the day.

yes, it's amazing how filling coc. oil is. I like to eat the

concentrated coconut cream from trop. traditions. it's easier to

take than the oil; tastes better and is more like food.

>

But I had SO hoped I wouldn't have to dread

> bathing suit season this year!

i hope that every year! (have finally given up). working on fat

acceptance.

>

laura

[Guest guest]

--- alangaud <alangaud@...> wrote:

> I saw this article:

> http://www.sambiser.com/discoveries/exhaustion.html

>

> and thought of you and this post. It's on the same

> web site as the

> article about how alcohol in moderation (including

> Scotch) isn't all

> bad.

>

> I wish I didn't have to spend $100 to find out what

> was in his

> book. I am curious and agree with him on some

> things, but I'm not

> convinced that he's not a greedy con artist

> himself... $100 is peanuts

> if he knows even a fraction of what he says he does,

> but $100 to find

> out? I'm not there yet.

Sam is not a " con man " , at least not in the time I

have known of him. While I can't vouch for this latest

set of tapes, he truly believes in and is dedicated to

what he does and often provides very good and

extremely difficult to find information.

" In The Abolition of Man, C.S.

observed that the modern schoolboy

is conditioned to take one side in

a controversy which he has not learned

to recognize as a controversy at all.

That is, he is trained to assume a

materialist and Darwinian outlook,

without realizing that materialism and

Darwinism have been subject to thoughtful

criticisms from their first appearance. "

Joe Sobran

____________________________________________________

Start your day with - make it your home page

http://www./r/hs

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--- laurainnewjersey <laurabusse@...> wrote:

> the person here who originally posted the article on

> alcohol...is it

> Mike? i'm sorry, i have no memory anymore and i

> constantly mix up

> the people here. anyway, whoever it was (forgive

> me) has been into

> this guy for a long time and has his original

> course...and so, maybe

> he can tell us...is it really worth it? or just

> more promises only

> to end in disappointment? (story of my life)

Everything I have ever received from Sam has been

worth it. Books, courses, and newletters. Of course

your mileage may vary.

" In The Abolition of Man, C.S.

observed that the modern schoolboy

is conditioned to take one side in

a controversy which he has not learned

to recognize as a controversy at all.

That is, he is trained to assume a

materialist and Darwinian outlook,

without realizing that materialism and

Darwinism have been subject to thoughtful

criticisms from their first appearance. "

Joe Sobran

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

--- laurainnewjersey <laurabusse@...> wrote:

> the person here who originally posted the article on

> alcohol...is it

> Mike?

Yes its .

> i'm sorry, i have no memory anymore and i

> constantly mix up

> the people here. anyway, whoever it was (forgive

> me) has been into

> this guy for a long time and has his original

> course...and so, maybe

> he can tell us...is it really worth it? or just

> more promises only

> to end in disappointment? (story of my life)

In the past his stuff has been quite good, but as I

noted before I can't vouch for his future material.

And given the many factors of health and healing

which is at once a science and an art, your mileage

may vary.

" In The Abolition of Man, C.S.

observed that the modern schoolboy

is conditioned to take one side in

a controversy which he has not learned

to recognize as a controversy at all.

That is, he is trained to assume a

materialist and Darwinian outlook,

without realizing that materialism and

Darwinism have been subject to thoughtful

criticisms from their first appearance. "

Joe Sobran

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow :

You early riser you are. I wake up at 5 am and since I am single, is

that an advantage? I have a kitten 7 months, CMT Type 2 the worst for

me trips, falls ~ result swollen ankle like a basketball, scratch palms

and everything in between

I am a MD dystrophy advocate. Disability Awareness coordinator,

community affairs for people with disabilities.

I also work for State of CT.

Will write more later

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:37, Leach wrote:

> I also wake up around 3:00 am.  I love it, it's the only time that the

> phones don't ring, family is quiet, even dogs and, I can't do housework

> (it will wake others)

>

> Thank God for the early morning!  I can go outside on my deck and watch

> the sunrise, or I can get the remote and watch whatever I want.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, but I also had it before implants. I used to get between 1-4 hours of sleep from the time I hit early teens through mid 20's.

It's changed in recent years as chronic fatigue syndrome worsened. My main problem with sleep now is that I can go to sleep any time of the day or night -because I stay so exhausted, but I can't stay asleep and sleep enough at once to make a big impact on my energy. It comes in spurts.

Cymbalta really helped me get into a set sleep pattern. For me to function best, I need 10-12 hours per day of solid sleep, and it helped me sleep like a log.

The times I only get 6 or less -I can't move for the pain.

I'm sure you know --- disturbances in your sleep pattern contribute to fibromyalgia. You might want to see a doc about it and find some way to regulate your sleep. I always have symptoms of fibro, but I do notice improvement with more hours of deep sleep... and I notice more pain with less sleep.

Brig

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/2006 4:05:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, leyna1964@... writes:

I wish I could say the same. I had a period where I was sleeping a good 8-9 hours a night, without interruption. Still no improvement in Fibro pain.

Sleeping doesn't take away the pain, I just meant it improves some of the symptoms for me and pain is WORSE with less sleep. For example, if I don't sleep a good 10 hours, I lay in bed over an hour awake before I can get the strength to stand up, and I am so stiff. Sometimes up to 3 hours I lay there awake. The less sleep I get, the worse the STIFFNESS is and I can't move. Then I just go from the couch to the chair all day, and can't do much else. With plenty of sleep, I can at least move enough to clean my house.

As for pain -I haven't found anything to take that away yet. Cymbalta greatly reduced it in my legs, but that was it -and I'm not on it now. I keep hoping it will come out sooner than later in generic so it will be cheaper. :-\

[Guest guest]

Leyna,

I had TERRIBLE insomnia with implants, just as bad as you described. I tried everything and I could always get to sleep, but just couldn't stay asleep. My insomnia got better almost immediately after explant. The fact that you are getting worse is not good-- other things tend to go downhill once your sleep pattern is disrupted. Maybe use medication as a temporary crutch until you get them out? The main thing is to get your implants out! Hope you feel better tomorrow.

Bindi

Insomnia

Does anyone have a problem with SEVERE insomnia if you still have your implants?Mine is getting worse and worse. Last week, one day I got 2 hours of sleep one night. The next night I got 4 hours, and the night after that, 3 hours.I'm immune to sleeping pills or anything "relaxing" it seems.Last night I did not go to sleep at all, period. I have to be at work in a couple of hours, and I feel like death warmed over. I took a couple of Valerian Root, and then at 9am, I took two Tylenol PM.I still have not been to sleep!I've read that this is a sign of silicone toxicity.....anyone else have a problem like this?

[Guest guest]

I wish I could say the same. I had a period where I was sleeping a good 8-9 hours a night, without interruption. Still no improvement in Fibro pain.KissofSadness@... wrote: Yes, but I also had it before implants. I used to get between 1-4 hours of sleep from the time I hit early teens through mid 20's. It's changed in recent years as chronic fatigue syndrome worsened. My main

problem with sleep now is that I can go to sleep any time of the day or night -because I stay so exhausted, but I can't stay asleep and sleep enough at once to make a big impact on my energy. It comes in spurts. Cymbalta really helped me get into a set sleep pattern. For me to function best, I need 10-12 hours per day of solid sleep, and it helped me sleep like a log. The times I only get 6 or less -I can't move for the pain. I'm sure you know --- disturbances in your sleep pattern contribute to fibromyalgia. You might want to see a doc about it and find some way to regulate your sleep. I always have symptoms of fibro, but I do notice improvement with more hours of deep sleep... and I notice more pain with less sleep. Brig

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[Guest guest]

Leyna, I had really severe insomnia when I had my implants,

especially the last 6 months before explant. Years back I was on

sleeping pills, cuz nothing natural would knock me out. It's

improved since explant, but I still have nights when I'm wired and

just can't sleep. I use Valerian Root Tea (stinky, but works great)

to help me fall asleep. Although I wake up to pee frequently, as I

always have, I feel more rested in the morning.

Love & Healing Prayers,

Sunny

--- In , " leyna1964 " <leyna1964@...>

wrote:

>

> Does anyone have a problem with SEVERE insomnia if you still have

your

> implants?

>

> Mine is getting worse and worse. Last week, one day I got 2 hours

of

> sleep one night. The next night I got 4 hours, and the night after

> that, 3 hours.

>

> I'm immune to sleeping pills or anything " relaxing " it seems.

>

> Last night I did not go to sleep at all, period. I have to be at

work

> in a couple of hours, and I feel like death warmed over. I took a

> couple of Valerian Root, and then at 9am, I took two Tylenol PM.

>

> I still have not been to sleep!

>

> I've read that this is a sign of silicone toxicity.....anyone else

> have a problem like this?

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/2006 11:51:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, leyna1964@... writes:

Cymbalta is SO dangerous...have you had any problems with it?

I was on it over a year, and for me the good outweighed the bad. It was hard getting into my system, because I'm so drug sensitive. I had profuse nausea and sweating for a few months. Then, the worse long term side effect was feeling more suicidal, which was just something in "me" that the drug seemed to exagerate. That's the only thing I've ever heard of that's dangerous about it -but I haven't read up on it in a while since I've been off it quite a few months.

It never helped with any of my upper body problems, but my legs improved while I was on it (far less stiffness). I also have Peripheral Neuropathy in addition to Fibromyalgia and Cymbalta treats both.

Brig

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/4/2006 11:51:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, leyna1964@... writes:

I'm at the point to where if I don't hear anything from my PCD about whether my insurance is going to cover my explant or not, I'm going to just take my life savings and blow it on this surgery. Guess I don't have a choice...I may have to live in the car, but at least I'll be alive! LOL

Good grief, chick..... You've got money sittin' in the bank and you still have these toxic bags sittin' in your chest???

The money is replacable -you aren't!

[Guest guest]

Cymbalta is SO dangerous...have you had any problems with it?KissofSadness@... wrote: In a message dated 9/4/2006 4:05:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, leyna1964 writes: I wish I could say the same. I had a period where I was sleeping a good 8-9 hours a night, without interruption. Still no

improvement in Fibro pain. Sleeping doesn't take away the pain, I just meant it improves some of the symptoms for me and pain is WORSE with less sleep. For example, if I don't sleep a good 10 hours, I lay in bed over an hour awake before I can get the strength to stand up, and I am so stiff. Sometimes up to 3 hours I lay there awake. The less sleep I get, the worse the STIFFNESS is and I can't move. Then I just go from the couch to the chair all day, and can't do much else. With plenty of sleep, I can at least move enough to clean my house. As for pain -I haven't found anything to take that away yet. Cymbalta greatly reduced it in my legs, but that was it -and I'm not on it now. I keep hoping it will come out sooner than later in generic so it will be cheaper. :-\

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Sunny, Yeah, I was taking Valerian Root every night, and it really knocked me out...but this last week or so it hasn't worked anymore. NOTHING has worked anymore. One time a couple of years ago, I went 3 days without sleep (didn't connect it with implants at the time), and I started hallucinating. I sure don't want to get to that point anymore. I'm at the point to where if I don't hear anything from my PCD about whether my insurance is going to cover my explant or not, I'm going to just take my life savings and blow it on this surgery. Guess I don't have a choice...I may have to live in the car, but at least I'll be alive! LOLSunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote: Leyna, I had really severe insomnia when I had my implants, especially the last 6 months before explant. Years back I was on sleeping pills, cuz nothing natural would knock me out. It's improved since explant, but I still have nights when I'm wired and just can't sleep. I use Valerian Root Tea (stinky, but works great) to help me fall asleep. Although I wake up to pee frequently, as I always have, I feel more rested in the morning.Love & Healing Prayers,Sunny >> Does anyone have a problem with SEVERE insomnia if you still have your

> implants?> > Mine is getting worse and worse. Last week, one day I got 2 hours of > sleep one night. The next night I got 4 hours, and the night after > that, 3 hours.> > I'm immune to sleeping pills or anything "relaxing" it seems.> > Last night I did not go to sleep at all, period. I have to be at work > in a couple of hours, and I feel like death warmed over. I took a > couple of Valerian Root, and then at 9am, I took two Tylenol PM.> > I still have not been to sleep!> > I've read that this is a sign of silicone toxicity.....anyone else > have a problem like this?>

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Oh, Leyna, I'm really sorry to hear about the financial state you're

in re: the explant. It really disturbs and angers me to think of

what the manufacturers are getting away with. I just want to take

all you American cuties and cradle you under my " wings " and help you

get surgery in Canada. People that are suffering shouldn't have to

worry about money!!

I'll pray that your brain settles down and you can sleep. I remember

years ago when I couldn't sleep properly for 3 weeks, and I ended up

in the psychiatric unit -- after 3 weeks on Imovane and Ativan, I was

a new person. Brain chemistry went bananas on me. The stress of

implants is enough, never mind the financial burden.

Lots of Love & Comfort,

Sunny

- In , Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:

>

> Sunny,

> Yeah, I was taking Valerian Root every night, and it really

knocked me out...but this last week or so it hasn't worked anymore.

NOTHING has worked anymore. One time a couple of years ago, I went 3

days without sleep (didn't connect it with implants at the time), and

I started hallucinating. I sure don't want to get to that point

anymore.

>

> I'm at the point to where if I don't hear anything from my PCD

about whether my insurance is going to cover my explant or not, I'm

going to just take my life savings and blow it on this surgery.

Guess I don't have a choice...I may have to live in the car, but at

least I'll be alive! LOL

>

> Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote:

> Leyna, I had really severe insomnia when I had my

implants,

> especially the last 6 months before explant. Years back I was on

> sleeping pills, cuz nothing natural would knock me out. It's

> improved since explant, but I still have nights when I'm wired and

> just can't sleep. I use Valerian Root Tea (stinky, but works great)

> to help me fall asleep. Although I wake up to pee frequently, as I

> always have, I feel more rested in the morning.

>

> Love & Healing Prayers,

>

> Sunny

>

>

> >

> > Does anyone have a problem with SEVERE insomnia if you still have

> your

> > implants?

> >

> > Mine is getting worse and worse. Last week, one day I got 2 hours

> of

> > sleep one night. The next night I got 4 hours, and the night

after

> > that, 3 hours.

> >

> > I'm immune to sleeping pills or anything " relaxing " it seems.

> >

> > Last night I did not go to sleep at all, period. I have to be at

> work

> > in a couple of hours, and I feel like death warmed over. I took a

> > couple of Valerian Root, and then at 9am, I took two Tylenol PM.

> >

> > I still have not been to sleep!

> >

> > I've read that this is a sign of silicone toxicity.....anyone

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> > have a problem like this?

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Sunny, ((hugs)) Thanks for the encouragement! Yeah, going without sleep really wreaks havoc on our already bad health, that's for sure. I'm still not sleepy. This is different from my usual insomnia I have when my hormones are messed up (too much estrogen), or my thyroid is overactive. My heart beats really fast then, and I'm always "aware" of my heartbeat, making it impossible to sleep, if that makes sense. This is not like that at all. I'm calm as can be, heart beating normally. I just can't sleep at all...Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote: Oh, Leyna, I'm really sorry to hear about the financial state you're in re: the explant. It really disturbs and angers me to think of what the manufacturers are getting away with. I just want to take all you American cuties and cradle you under my "wings" and help you get surgery in Canada. People that are suffering shouldn't have to worry about money!!I'll pray that your brain settles down and you can sleep. I remember years ago when I couldn't sleep properly for 3 weeks, and I ended up in the psychiatric unit -- after 3 weeks on Imovane and Ativan, I was a new person. Brain chemistry went bananas on me. The stress of implants is enough, never mind the financial burden.Lots of Love & Comfort,Sunny - In , Leyna <leyna1964@...>

wrote:>> Sunny,> Yeah, I was taking Valerian Root every night, and it really knocked me out...but this last week or so it hasn't worked anymore. NOTHING has worked anymore. One time a couple of years ago, I went 3 days without sleep (didn't connect it with implants at the time), and I started hallucinating. I sure don't want to get to that point anymore.> > I'm at the point to where if I don't hear anything from my PCD about whether my insurance is going to cover my explant or not, I'm going to just take my life savings and blow it on this surgery. Guess I don't have a choice...I may have to live in the car, but at least I'll be alive! LOL> > Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote:> Leyna, I had really severe insomnia when I had my implants, > especially the last 6 months before explant. Years back I was on > sleeping pills, cuz nothing natural would knock me

out. It's > improved since explant, but I still have nights when I'm wired and > just can't sleep. I use Valerian Root Tea (stinky, but works great) > to help me fall asleep. Although I wake up to pee frequently, as I > always have, I feel more rested in the morning.> > Love & Healing Prayers,> > Sunny > > > >> > Does anyone have a problem with SEVERE insomnia if you still have > your > > implants?> > > > Mine is getting worse and worse. Last week, one day I got 2 hours > of > > sleep one night. The next night I got 4 hours, and the night after > > that, 3 hours.> > > > I'm immune to sleeping pills or anything "relaxing" it seems.> >

> > Last night I did not go to sleep at all, period. I have to be at > work > > in a couple of hours, and I feel like death warmed over. I took a > > couple of Valerian Root, and then at 9am, I took two Tylenol PM.> > > > I still have not been to sleep!> > > > I've read that this is a sign of silicone toxicity.....anyone else > > have a problem like this?> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.>

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Leyna, I had horrible insomnia when I got sick. I would wake up in the middle of the night with sweats and a feeling of agitation and would not be able to get back to sleep until near dawn. Then I would be incredibly tired all day. It was a never ending cycle of sleep deprivation. After explant, all that went away! (yay!) Patty Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: Sunny, ((hugs)) Thanks for the encouragement! Yeah, going without

sleep really wreaks havoc on our already bad health, that's for sure. I'm still not sleepy. This is different from my usual insomnia I have when my hormones are messed up (too much estrogen), or my thyroid is overactive. My heart beats really fast then, and I'm always "aware" of my heartbeat, making it impossible to sleep, if that makes sense. This is not like that at all. I'm calm as can be, heart beating normally. I just can't sleep at all...Sunny <wellnessnowhotmail> wrote: Oh, Leyna, I'm really sorry to hear about the financial state you're in re: the explant. It really disturbs and angers me to think of what the manufacturers are getting away with. I just want to take all you American cuties and cradle you under my "wings" and help you get surgery in Canada. People that are

suffering shouldn't have to worry about money!!I'll pray that your brain settles down and you can sleep. I remember years ago when I couldn't sleep properly for 3 weeks, and I ended up in the psychiatric unit -- after 3 weeks on Imovane and Ativan, I was a new person. Brain chemistry went bananas on me. The stress of implants is enough, never mind the financial burden.Lots of Love & Comfort,Sunny - In , Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:>> Sunny,> Yeah, I was taking Valerian Root every night, and it really knocked me out...but this last week or so it hasn't worked anymore. NOTHING has worked anymore. One time a couple of years ago, I went 3 days without sleep (didn't connect it with implants at the time), and I started hallucinating. I sure don't want to get to that point

anymore.> > I'm at the point to where if I don't hear anything from my PCD about whether my insurance is going to cover my explant or not, I'm going to just take my life savings and blow it on this surgery. Guess I don't have a choice...I may have to live in the car, but at least I'll be alive! LOL> > Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote:> Leyna, I had really severe insomnia when I had my implants, > especially the last 6 months before explant. Years back I was on > sleeping pills, cuz nothing natural would knock me out. It's > improved since explant, but I still have nights when I'm wired and > just can't sleep. I use Valerian Root Tea (stinky, but works great) > to help me fall asleep. Although I wake up to pee frequently, as I > always have, I feel more rested in the morning.> > Love & Healing Prayers,> > Sunny > > ---

In , "leyna1964" <leyna1964@> > wrote:> >> > Does anyone have a problem with SEVERE insomnia if you still have > your > > implants?> > > > Mine is getting worse and worse. Last week, one day I got 2 hours > of > > sleep one night. The next night I got 4 hours, and the night after > > that, 3 hours.> > > > I'm immune to sleeping pills or anything "relaxing" it seems.> > > > Last night I did not go to sleep at all, period. I have to be at > work > > in a couple of hours, and I feel like death warmed over. I took a > > couple of Valerian Root, and then at 9am, I took two Tylenol PM.> > > > I still have not been to sleep!> > > > I've read that this is a sign of silicone

toxicity.....anyone else > > have a problem like this?> >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

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Oh, drats...that is frustrating. Well, I hope it won't last long.

Praying for you...love & butterfly kisses,

Sunny

> > >

> > > Does anyone have a problem with SEVERE insomnia if you still

have

> > your

> > > implants?

> > >

> > > Mine is getting worse and worse. Last week, one day I got 2

hours

> > of

> > > sleep one night. The next night I got 4 hours, and the night

> after

> > > that, 3 hours.

> > >

> > > I'm immune to sleeping pills or anything " relaxing " it seems.

> > >

> > > Last night I did not go to sleep at all, period. I have to be

at

> > work

> > > in a couple of hours, and I feel like death warmed over. I took

a

> > > couple of Valerian Root, and then at 9am, I took two Tylenol PM.

> > >

> > > I still have not been to sleep!

> > >

> > > I've read that this is a sign of silicone toxicity.....anyone

> else

> > > have a problem like this?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi ,

I know that feeling, I spend many a night awake looking at the clock. When I

finally drift off again it seems no time at all before my little one comes

bounding into the bedroom to inform me " time to get up Mum " . I never have been a

morning person but with his cheeky little grin he just makes me melt!

Nice to hear from you, take care