Re: Watching the Trend line

November 3, 2004

Lynn,

This is a great question! I hope others will weigh in with their philosophy and

experience, but here's my two cents worth.

This pattern is exactly what a coach would see in a gymnast or a runner or

swimmer. There is a period where the performance is solid and stable, then

fatigue begins to set in and everything falls apart. The brain gets tired of

sustaining a challenging state in the same way. My inclination would be to say

that stopping right at the end of the plateau is likely to leave the client in a

fairly solid place. That's good. However, it may also be true that it is by

pushing through the deterioration that we really build stamina.

My preference would be to pause the session when you see the plateau starting to

break up, and then take a longer than usual break--maybe a couple minutes--and

talk about how the client feels, if he has noticed the cool plateau, etc. Then

I'd challenge him to try one more 2 minute stretch, to see if he can get back to

that state and stay there for a short final period. I think that would be the

best of both worlds.

Pete

>

> From: " lynn_gibbons " <pgibbons@...>

> Date: 2004/11/03 Wed PM 04:53:08 EST

>

> Subject: Watching the Trend line

>

Hi,

When training people for 20 mins in 2 minute intervals, I watch

the trend line. About 3/4 of the way through the training I see a

nice plateau that the client can keep going for about 2-5 minutes

then it gets all wild again for say the last 3-5 minutes. Should I

end the training as soon as it starts to get wild again, should I

get them recentered and bring the levels down again and end it with

a short plateau,or should I end it during that nice plateau before

the 20 mins is up? My impression is I don't get a good report when

I end it when it's wild but that may be biased because I'm looking

for problems then. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks,

Lynn

November 3, 2004

So do you have an analogy/explanation for the reverse?

I have been following the hibeta downtraining you suggested and

particularly for P4.A2 15-38.Down EC, I am sometimes able to sustain a

whole 5 minutes at some reasonably consistent level. I then take a break

and when I start another session I sometimes find that my starting level

is possibly twice that of where I finished, it then takes anywhere from

15 secs to 2 minutes to get back to lower level and the transition to

that level is relatively immediate (rather than gradual).

-

Van Deusen wrote:

> Lynn,

>

> This is a great question! I hope others will weigh in with their

> philosophy and experience, but here's my two cents worth.

>

> This pattern is exactly what a coach would see in a gymnast or a

> runner or swimmer. There is a period where the performance is solid

> and stable, then fatigue begins to set in and everything falls apart.

> The brain gets tired of sustaining a challenging state in the same

> way. My inclination would be to say that stopping right at the end of

> the plateau is likely to leave the client in a fairly solid place.

> That's good. However, it may also be true that it is by pushing

> through the deterioration that we really build stamina.

>

> My preference would be to pause the session when you see the plateau

> starting to break up, and then take a longer than usual break--maybe a

> couple minutes--and talk about how the client feels, if he has noticed

> the cool plateau, etc. Then I'd challenge him to try one more 2

> minute stretch, to see if he can get back to that state and stay there

> for a short final period. I think that would be the best of both worlds.

>

> Pete

> >

> > From: " lynn_gibbons " <pgibbons@...>

> > Date: 2004/11/03 Wed PM 04:53:08 EST

> >

> > Subject: Watching the Trend line

> >

>

> Hi,

> When training people for 20 mins in 2 minute intervals, I watch

> the trend line. About 3/4 of the way through the training I see a

> nice plateau that the client can keep going for about 2-5 minutes

> then it gets all wild again for say the last 3-5 minutes. Should I

> end the training as soon as it starts to get wild again, should I

> get them recentered and bring the levels down again and end it with

> a short plateau,or should I end it during that nice plateau before

> the 20 mins is up? My impression is I don't get a good report when

> I end it when it's wild but that may be biased because I'm looking

> for problems then. Does anyone have any experience with this?

>

> Thanks,

> Lynn

>

November 3, 2004