Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 There are a few (very few in my opinion) good therapists out there. It is well worth it to search for one of them to assist with depression. > You are not alone! > > I feel the exact same way as you do.Are you on any medications for your > depression? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 this is the first message I have had since last saturday from being sick. carol ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 You are not alone! I feel the exact same way as you do.Are you on any medications for your depression? -- Re: Roll Call! I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very overwhelmed and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated. -- the Dreamer http://www.visi.com/~unique ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ The Being Sick Community Message Archives-/messages Chat:- Scheduled Chats at /chat Bookmarks:- Add a website URL you have found useful. /links Personal Complaints or problems:- Please contact a moderator email: -owner Subscription Details:- 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive. 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your convenience and receive no email. To modify your subscription settings please visit:- /join To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- -subscribe -unsubscribe This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ When nothing is sure, everything is possible. --- Margaret Drabble ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Carol, From time to time just gets the hiccups. I know of other people on other groups that are having a hard time also. I'll put an email in to and let them know. You can always read them at the website if you need to. Hugs, Re: Re: Roll Call! this is the first message I have had since last saturday from being sick. carol________________________________________________________________Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand.Now includes pop-up blocker!Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ The Being Sick CommunityMessage Archives-/messagesChat:- Scheduled Chats at /chatBookmarks:-Add a website URL you have found useful./links Personal Complaints or problems:-Please contact a moderator email: -owner Subscription Details:-1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your convenience and receive no email.To modify your subscription settings please visit:- /joinTo subscribe or unsubscribe please email:--subscribe -unsubscribe This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician.~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~When nothing is sure, everything is possible.--- Margaret Drabble~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Lee, Yes, and it is still raining. they don't call us the liquid sunshine state for nothing Re: Roll Call! Hi ! I'm on no-mail right now. This cold, rainy weather is too much for my achy neck. I took out my down comforter last night.I did have a nice trip to Portland and Seattle. Of course it rained there too!~Lee> We haven't had a roll call in a while, and things are getting a little slow. Please check in if you can, and tell us how you are doing, and if you need some extra support from us.> > Hugs,> > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ The Being Sick CommunityMessage Archives-/messagesChat:- Scheduled Chats at /chatBookmarks:-Add a website URL you have found useful./links Personal Complaints or problems:-Please contact a moderator email: -owner Subscription Details:-1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your convenience and receive no email.To modify your subscription settings please visit:- /joinTo subscribe or unsubscribe please email:--subscribe -unsubscribe This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician.~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~When nothing is sure, everything is possible.--- Margaret Drabble~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 When I am having a hard time, keeping busy just makes it worse. I need someone to talk to in order to work things out before I can function again. I wish keeping busy worked for me. the Dreamer Handd1 wrote: > , > > I've been wondering how you've been. The people that give you tasks are > trying to help by keeping you busy. I tend to do that myself when I'm > having a hard time. You can always talk to us here if you're feeling > lonely...though I know it isn't the same. > > Hugs, > > > Re: Roll Call! > > > >> >>I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and >>feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very overwhelmed >>and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just >>overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated. >>-- >> the Dreamer >>http://www.visi.com/~unique >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ >> The Being Sick Community >> >> >>Message Archives-/messages >> >>Chat:- Scheduled Chats at >>/chat >> >>Bookmarks:- >>Add a website URL you have found useful. >>/links >> >>Personal Complaints or problems:- >>Please contact a moderator >>email: -owner >> >>Subscription Details:- >>1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive. >>2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to > > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. > >>3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > > convenience and receive no email. > >>To modify your subscription settings please visit:- >>/join >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- >>-subscribe >>-unsubscribe >> >>This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on this > > group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you need > medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. > >>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ >>When nothing is sure, everything is possible. >> >>--- Margaret Drabble >> >>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Yes, I am. I think I just needed people to talk to, sometimes I just need to vent and have a listening ear and that does not always happen. When I can't find anyone to listen to me, I get more depressed and overwhelmed. Sometimes journalling helps. the Dreamer ~*GINA*~ wrote: > You are not alone! > > I feel the exact same way as you do.Are you on any medications for your > depression? > > > > -- Re: Roll Call! > > > I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and > feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very overwhelmed > and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just > overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated. > -- > the Dreamer > http://www.visi.com/~unique > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > The Being Sick Community > > > Message Archives-/messages > > Chat:- Scheduled Chats at > /chat > > Bookmarks:- > Add a website URL you have found useful. > /links > > Personal Complaints or problems:- > Please contact a moderator > email: -owner > <mailto:-owner > > > Subscription Details:- > 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive. > 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. > 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > convenience and receive no email. > > To modify your subscription settings please visit:- > /join > > To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- > -subscribe > <mailto:-subscribe > > -unsubscribe > <mailto:-unsubscribe > > > This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on > this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you > need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > When nothing is sure, everything is possible. > > --- Margaret Drabble > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 I have a good therapist, just started with a new one recently who seems pretty good. I was just having a tough time with having Asperger Syndrome and how it limits me and wishing I could perform as well in my life as other people are able to. Sometimes it feels like my high IQ is being wasted by the limitations of the Aspergers. I was telling someone this morning that if I never got stressed, I wouldn't know I had Aspergers. the Dreamer belowskinbeauty wrote: > > There are a few (very few in my opinion) good therapists out there. > It is well worth it to search for one of them to assist with > depression. > > >>You are not alone! >> >>I feel the exact same way as you do.Are you on any medications for > > your > >>depression? > > > > > > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > The Being Sick Community > > > Message Archives-/messages > > Chat:- Scheduled Chats at > /chat > > Bookmarks:- > Add a website URL you have found useful. > /links > > Personal Complaints or problems:- > Please contact a moderator > email: -owner > > Subscription Details:- > 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive. > 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. > 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your convenience and receive no email. > > To modify your subscription settings please visit:- > /join > > To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- > -subscribe > -unsubscribe > > This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > When nothing is sure, everything is possible. > > --- Margaret Drabble > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 , What works for one person doesn't always work for the next. It'd be nice if it did, but we're all different. That's a good thing too, I guess We are here for you to talk to. If you don't feel comfortable talking to the whole group, you can always email me privately if you wish. There is never a need to feel alone when you have so many friends here. We're a big family, and you've become part of that too. I hope you get some relief soon...let me know if I can help. Hugs, Re: Roll Call!> > > >>>>I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and>>feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very overwhelmed>>and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just>>overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated.>>-- >> the Dreamer>>http://www.visi.com/~unique>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~>> The Being Sick Community>>>>>>Message Archives-/messages>>>>Chat:- Scheduled Chats at>>/chat>>>>Bookmarks:->>Add a website URL you have found useful.>>/links>>>>Personal Complaints or problems:->>Please contact a moderator>>email: -owner >>>>Subscription Details:->>1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.>>2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to> > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.> >>3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your> > convenience and receive no email.> >>To modify your subscription settings please visit:->>/join>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:->>-subscribe >>-unsubscribe >>>>This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on this> > group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you need> medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician.> >>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~>>When nothing is sure, everything is possible.>>>>--- Margaret Drabble>>>>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Does your local mental health center have a 24 hour hotline? Sometime it is nice to hear a voice that cares and makes you feel better. -- Re: Roll Call! > > > I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and > feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very overwhelmed > and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just > overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated. > -- > the Dreamer > http://www.visi.com/~unique > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > The Being Sick Community > > > Message Archives-/messages > > Chat:- Scheduled Chats at > /chat > > Bookmarks:- > Add a website URL you have found useful. > /links > > Personal Complaints or problems:- > Please contact a moderator > email: -owner > <mailto:-owner > > > Subscription Details:- > 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive. > 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. > 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > convenience and receive no email. > > To modify your subscription settings please visit:- > /join > > To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- > -subscribe > <mailto:-subscribe > > -unsubscribe > <mailto:-unsubscribe > > > This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on > this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you > need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > When nothing is sure, everything is possible. > > --- Margaret Drabble > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Thanks. Sometimes when I don't write for a long time I think people forget about me and I worry about getting removed from the list for not posting enough. It's nice to know that people still remember me! the Dreamer Don and wrote: > , > > What works for one person doesn't always work for the next. It'd be > nice if it did, but we're all different. That's a good thing too, I > guess We are here for you to talk to. If you don't feel comfortable > talking to the whole group, you can always email me privately if you > wish. There is never a need to feel alone when you have so many friends > here. We're a big family, and you've become part of that too. I > hope you get some relief soon...let me know if I can help. > > Hugs, > > > > Re: Roll Call! > > > > > > > >> > >>I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and > >>feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very > overwhelmed > >>and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just > >>overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated. > >>-- > >> the Dreamer > >>http://www.visi.com/~unique > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Yes they do, and I have called them before and they were helpful. I think this time I was in a state where I really needed someone who knew me to talk to. A stranger may give me general phrases about how every person has worth, but a person who knows me can remind me about what I contribute. Earlier today I went to a forum on autism where we were to tell this advocacy agency what we needed in several different areas. It was nice to see that what I had to say was very helpful to a mom of an adult with autism. the Dreamer ~*GINA*~ wrote: > Does your local mental health center have a 24 hour hotline? Sometime it > is nice to hear a voice that cares and makes you feel better. > > > > -- Re: Roll Call! > > > > > > I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and > > feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very overwhelmed > > and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just > > overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated. > > -- > > the Dreamer > > http://www.visi.com/~unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > The Being Sick Community > > > > > > Message Archives-/messages > > > > Chat:- Scheduled Chats at > > /chat > > > > Bookmarks:- > > Add a website URL you have found useful. > > /links > > > > Personal Complaints or problems:- > > Please contact a moderator > > email: -owner > <mailto:-owner > > > <mailto:-owner > > > > > Subscription Details:- > > 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you > receive. > > 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to > > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. > > 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > > convenience and receive no email. > > > > To modify your subscription settings please visit:- > > /join > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- > > -subscribe > <mailto:-subscribe > > > <mailto:-subscribe > > > -unsubscribe > <mailto:-unsubscribe > > > <mailto:-unsubscribe > > > > > This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on > > this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you > > need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > When nothing is sure, everything is possible. > > > > --- Margaret Drabble > > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Hi , When we are depressed we tend to isolate ourselves. When I am depressed, I like to just sit around and have my own pity party, however I am learning that if I can keep my mind and hands busy, it really helps, even though that is the last thing I want to do. I hope that you are feeling better soon. Donna >From: the Dreamer <unique@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Roll Call! >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:11:26 -0500 > > > >I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and >feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very overwhelmed >and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just >overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated. >-- > the Dreamer >http://www.visi.com/~unique > > > > > > > > >~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > The Being Sick Community > > >Message Archives-/messages > >Chat:- Scheduled Chats at >/chat > >Bookmarks:- >Add a website URL you have found useful. >/links > >Personal Complaints or problems:- >Please contact a moderator >email: -owner > >Subscription Details:- >1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive. >2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to >browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. >3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your >convenience and receive no email. > >To modify your subscription settings please visit:- >/join > >To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- >-subscribe >-unsubscribe > >This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on this >group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel you need >medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. >~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ >When nothing is sure, everything is possible. > >--- Margaret Drabble > >~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Hi , It is great that you were able to help that mother! You have a lot to contribute, and you are very worthy. Do not let anything cause you to believe otherwise. We are all here cheering for you! Keep pressing onward! Donna >From: the Dreamer <unique@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Roll Call! >Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:51:07 -0500 > > > >Yes they do, and I have called them before and they were helpful. I >think this time I was in a state where I really needed someone who knew >me to talk to. A stranger may give me general phrases about how every >person has worth, but a person who knows me can remind me about what I >contribute. > >Earlier today I went to a forum on autism where we were to tell this >advocacy agency what we needed in several different areas. It was nice >to see that what I had to say was very helpful to a mom of an adult with >autism. > > the Dreamer > >~*GINA*~ wrote: > > > Does your local mental health center have a 24 hour hotline? Sometime it > > is nice to hear a voice that cares and makes you feel better. > > > > > > > > -- Re: Roll Call! > > > > > > > > > I'm very depressed because I feel like such a burden to everyone and > > > feel like I am not doing anybody any good. I feel so very >overwhelmed > > > and when I ask for help, people give me tasks to do, which just > > > overwhelms me even more. I feel so very lonely and isolated. > > > -- > > > the Dreamer > > > http://www.visi.com/~unique > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > > The Being Sick Community > > > > > > > > > Message Archives-/messages > > > > > > Chat:- Scheduled Chats at > > > /chat > > > > > > Bookmarks:- > > > Add a website URL you have found useful. > > > /links > > > > > > Personal Complaints or problems:- > > > Please contact a moderator > > > email: -owner > > <mailto:-owner > > > > <mailto:-owner > > > > > > > Subscription Details:- > > > 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you > > receive. > > > 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you >to > > > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. > > > 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > > > convenience and receive no email. > > > > > > To modify your subscription settings please visit:- > > > /join > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- > > > -subscribe > > <mailto:-subscribe > > > > <mailto:-subscribe > > > > -unsubscribe > > <mailto:-unsubscribe > > > > <mailto:-unsubscribe > > > > > > > This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on > > > this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel >you > > > need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > > When nothing is sure, everything is possible. > > > > > > --- Margaret Drabble > > > > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 In a message dated 11/1/2004 6:47:27 PM Central Standard Time, creepyzucchini@... writes: a lot of people with hfa or asperger's seem to think it makes them better than others and that it isn't a disability but i don't see it that way. although i don't wish i was diagnosed as a fetus and aborted or anything drastic like that i do wish i didn't have the limitations that autism puts on me. <clipped some great stuff> You sound a little like my son. But I wish he had your attitude. I think a lot of s problems come from the fact that he was a miracle child. I did it also a little but it came more from the community. It was a shock that I even carried a child full term and the fact that even though he is chunky his hair and skin is perfect. He really is a beautiful child. He is also a bit stuck up. He doesn't have the tolerance for people that are different and that includes ones that are plain. We have been working on this and even though he has a great self esteem it is bordering on selfishness. Not the kind that comes with autism either. It is really hard to explain. On the acceptance thing. I don't want cured. I do want him to socialize as much as he can tolerate just because the world is like that. As with most 13 year olds what his friends can do for him is more important than the friends themselves. I know about arguments between AC's and such since it is a major personal subject. Especially for new parents. When I found out about I hit all the emotions from sad to angry. After awhile I just found it to be a waste of time. I have never gone overboard on treatments. I think ABA is a very small step from dog training. We basically just treated him like a kid. I learned real quick what was a meltdown and what was a spoilt hissy fit. He also has that spoilt child disease you know. lol. Amylee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 a lot of people with hfa or asperger's seem to think it makes them better than others and that it isn't a disability but i don't see it that way. although i don't wish i was diagnosed as a fetus and aborted or anything drastic like that i do wish i didn't have the limitations that autism puts on me. it definitely does make for unique differences that aren't all negative but on the whole it restricts me from being able to use my high iq effectively because of learning disabilities and sensory problems. if iq was any measure of ability to study i should be a ph.d. instead of a 10th grade dropout. i've never really had friends and i live a very isolated life which i prefer because of the autism making socialising difficult. but i would like to be able to bond with other people and communicate seamlessly without having to work my brain so hard to figure out all the different layers of communication when someone speaks. and also having autism makes it harder to have successful treatment for other problems i had like post traumatic stress disorder and anorexia nervosa and ocd because therapists or psychologists aren't exempt from my communication problems. i know if i wrote all this post on an autism group i would probably be jumped on by heaps of people telling me i need to learn to stop denying who i am and see my autism as a gift but i know on this group that won't happen. on the internet i only have one mildly autistic friend. all the rest of my online friends are " nt " (people without autism) and i don't see them as lesser people than myself i really treasure their friendship. in real life i have no friends but a lot of people who i stop and say hi to when i go out to shops. most of them i don't remember from looks alone because i'm face-blind (www.prosopagnosia.com for explanation of that) but i do like the short conversations i have with them. eventually i will know everybody because i live in a very small town but so far there are only a couple i recognise without help from where i see them or stuff they say. usually it's just hi how are you isn't it a lovely day today summer's on its way type conversations. CZ penguinexchange@... wrote: > In a message dated 10/30/2004 5:32:17 PM Central Standard Time, > unique@... writes: > > I have a good therapist, just started with a new one recently who > seems > pretty good. I was just having a tough time with having Asperger > Syndrome and how it limits me and wishing I could perform as well > in my > life as other people are able to. Sometimes it feels like my high > IQ is > being wasted by the limitations of the Aspergers. I was telling > someone > this morning that if I never got stressed, I wouldn't know I had > Aspergers. > > My son is the same way. I think in HIS case the high IQ is a defecit. > This is mainly since he is still young. He sees too much of the > difference and really doesn't know what to do about it. He has kids in > school that try to be his friend but he would basically rather hang > around adults. > > Amylee > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > The Being Sick Community > > > Message Archives-/messages > > Chat:- Scheduled Chats at > /chat > > Bookmarks:- > Add a website URL you have found useful. > /links > > Personal Complaints or problems:- > Please contact a moderator > email: -owner > > Subscription Details:- > 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive. > 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. > 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > convenience and receive no email. > > To modify your subscription settings please visit:- > /join > > To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- > -subscribe > -unsubscribe > > This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on > this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel > you need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician. > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > When nothing is sure, everything is possible. > > --- Margaret Drabble > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 In a message dated 11/1/2004 3:06:43 PM Central Standard Time, jwang@... writes: The world is not structured for people with high IQ. Everything is geared towards the average and the below average IQ as the thinking is that they are the ones that need help. Consequently, high IQ people tend to develop bad study and behavioural habits as well as identity problems. I can safely say this because I test out in the 99 percentile. Being excused from class in the first ten minutes of class because you already know the material even though it's the first time you've been introduced to it does not make one feel included in any way, I spent most of my school years in the library, cafeteria, arcade and the local Radio Shack without being a truant. I went through the same thing. I now read and learn for the pure pleasure of it. I changed my major so many times that all I did was waste time and money. Things would be interesting for a short while then nothing. Now I just study and do what I want. I am also an info junkie also someone the internet is just suited for. Amylee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 In a message dated 11/2/2004 4:17:21 AM Central Standard Time, creepyzucchini@... writes: it's just skills to make life more pleasant for me and others around me. I loved your letter. If this could be what my son could do by your young age then I would be grateful. I have found one way to get to know people is to ask them if you had a genie and they granted you three wishes what would they be? I asked of course one was to have all the video games in the world typical kid answer but one was also for people to recognize his greatness. I told him for recognition there has to be respect not for people to respect him but for him to respect other people. Amylee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 the parent who raised me until i was 13 raised me to believe i was better than everybody else. my birth was unusual and i wasn't expected to live and then when they decided i would live they told my parents i would have mental retardation because of how long my brain had gone without any oxygen. my father formed a very intense and eventually sick bond with me (and none of his other children). i turned out not to have any retardation but to have an extremely high iq but a lot of problems related to autism. instead of trying to socialise me with others or teach me the ways of the world he isolated me and pushed me to excel in schoolwork by correspondance years ahead of my age level and pushed me to a music career. in reality i was better than most other people. i could have had a successful career as an international performing artist had i not quit. but when i was 13 it all got too much and i started to have a breakdown because of the pressure i had been under for years with very little sleep and the sexual abuse and total control over my likes and dislikes and who i was. i ran away and then lived with my mother and my father was prosecuted. he didn't stop making my life hell and in 2002 i took out an other 2 year restraining order which finishes this month so i'm quite nervous about what will happen and whether he will come after me again. i developed anorexia nervosa as a result of immense pressure and overbearing control over every part of my life and controlling my food was one way that i felt good. my mother contributed to my eating disorder in not so subtle ways but she alone wasn't the cause. it went on for years longer than it should have before coming to the attention of medical staff because of my mother's enabling of it and blatant jealousy of it. she's always wanted to be able to diet successfully and for whatever psychological reason never does. i felt like i was better than others because of my anorexia as well. i had self control that other " fat pigs " didn't and i know that is very warped and stupid thinking but it was some kind of coping mechanism for me at the time. 14 years on i wish that i was like the other people i used to scorn who don't have anorexia who can enjoy a meal without beating themselves up and not constantly feel horrid about every piece of flesh on their bodies. it wasn't really until my late teens and early 20s that i started to really think that perhaps i wasn't better than everybody else. perhaps i was just another messed up person who under extreme pressure exhibits talent. most of my attitude to others about being better than them really stemmed from feeling that nothing i ever did was ever good enough for my father. he said it as overtly as " always strive for 110% because then you will be more likely to attain 100% " . i partly acted and thought that i was better than others to hide how bad i really felt about myself. it wasn't a conscious process but i understood it as i grew up. sometimes i wonder what my life would have been like had i been taught to socialise instead of my autistic behaviours encouraged and channeled into creating a mozart-like performing monkey with more academic facts and music in its memory than most adults ever have. but i wouldn't be me and despite constantly struggling with my body image and trying to fight off the anorexia i do quite like who i am these days. but i'm 27 now and i've had a lot of years since 13 to grow and learn and be more accepting of other people. i agree about ABA and i don't think i would want to be forced through involuntary training to learn to act normal. but i do try to learn how to get along with other people and mingle in society because i like living independantly without carers and the only way to do that is to learn some tact and communication skills. there are plenty of disputes or problems that arise in living in your own house and having meltdowns or hissy fits and refusing to make any attempt to communicate aren't the way to solve them. i know that i do have the ability to learn more about how to function in society and i keep trying to. it's got nothing to do with wanting to be less autistic because despite the limitations autism is part of what makes me who i am. it's just skills to make life more pleasant for me and others around me. CZ penguinexchange@... wrote: > In a message dated 11/1/2004 6:47:27 PM Central Standard Time, > creepyzucchini@... writes: > > > a lot of people with hfa or asperger's seem to think it makes them > better than others and that it isn't a disability but i don't see it > that way. although i don't wish i was diagnosed as a fetus and > aborted > or anything drastic like that i do wish i didn't have the limitations > that autism puts on me. > > <clipped some great stuff> > You sound a little like my son. But I wish he had your attitude. I > think a lot of s problems come from the fact that he was a miracle > child. I did it also a little but it came more from the community. It > was a shock that I even carried a child full term and the fact that > even though he is chunky his hair and skin is perfect. He really is a > beautiful child. He is also a bit stuck up. He doesn't have the > tolerance for people that are different and that includes ones that > are plain. We have been working on this and even though he has a great > self esteem it is bordering on selfishness. Not the kind that comes > with autism either. It is really hard to explain. > On the acceptance thing. I don't want cured. I do want him to > socialize as much as he can tolerate just because the world is > like that. As with most 13 year olds what his friends can do for him > is more important than the friends themselves. > I know about arguments between AC's and such since it is a major > personal subject. Especially for new parents. When I found out about > I hit all the emotions from sad to angry. After awhile I just > found it to be a waste of time. I have never gone overboard on > treatments. I think ABA is a very small step from dog training. We > basically just treated him like a kid. I learned real quick what was a > meltdown and what was a spoilt hissy fit. He also has that spoilt > child disease you know. lol. > > Amylee > > > ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~ > The Being Sick Community > > > Message Archives-/messages > > Chat:- Scheduled Chats at > /chat > > Bookmarks:- > Add a website URL you have found useful. > /links > > Personal Complaints or problems:- > Please contact a moderator > email: -owner > > Subscription Details:- > 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive. > 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email. > 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > convenience and receive no email. > > To modify your subscription settings please visit:- > /join > > To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:- > -subscribe > -unsubscribe > > This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on > this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. 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Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 CZ, You sure have been through a lot. I'm just hoping that all we go through as children will be worthwhile someday. I already feel like I've tried to learn from things that happened in my childhood. I guess we can only hope that as we grow older we can put it to use. Re: Re: Roll Call! the parent who raised me until i was 13 raised me to believe i was better than everybody else. my birth was unusual and i wasn't expected to live and then when they decided i would live they told my parents i would have mental retardation because of how long my brain had gone without any oxygen. my father formed a very intense and eventually sick bond with me (and none of his other children). i turned out not to have any retardation but to have an extremely high iq but a lot of problems related to autism. instead of trying to socialise me with others or teach me the ways of the world he isolated me and pushed me to excel in schoolwork by correspondance years ahead of my age level and pushed me to a music career. in reality i was better than most other people. i could have had a successful career as an international performing artist had i not quit.but when i was 13 it all got too much and i started to have a breakdown because of the pressure i had been under for years with very little sleep and the sexual abuse and total control over my likes and dislikes and who i was. i ran away and then lived with my mother and my father was prosecuted. he didn't stop making my life hell and in 2002 i took out an other 2 year restraining order which finishes this month so i'm quite nervous about what will happen and whether he will come after me again.i developed anorexia nervosa as a result of immense pressure and overbearing control over every part of my life and controlling my food was one way that i felt good. my mother contributed to my eating disorder in not so subtle ways but she alone wasn't the cause. it went on for years longer than it should have before coming to the attention of medical staff because of my mother's enabling of it and blatant jealousy of it. she's always wanted to be able to diet successfully and for whatever psychological reason never does. i felt like i was better than others because of my anorexia as well. i had self control that other "fat pigs" didn't and i know that is very warped and stupid thinking but it was some kind of coping mechanism for me at the time. 14 years on i wish that i was like the other people i used to scorn who don't have anorexia who can enjoy a meal without beating themselves up and not constantly feel horrid about every piece of flesh on their bodies.it wasn't really until my late teens and early 20s that i started to really think that perhaps i wasn't better than everybody else. perhaps i was just another messed up person who under extreme pressure exhibits talent. most of my attitude to others about being better than them really stemmed from feeling that nothing i ever did was ever good enough for my father. he said it as overtly as "always strive for 110% because then you will be more likely to attain 100%". i partly acted and thought that i was better than others to hide how bad i really felt about myself. it wasn't a conscious process but i understood it as i grew up.sometimes i wonder what my life would have been like had i been taught to socialise instead of my autistic behaviours encouraged and channeled into creating a mozart-like performing monkey with more academic facts and music in its memory than most adults ever have. but i wouldn't be me and despite constantly struggling with my body image and trying to fight off the anorexia i do quite like who i am these days. but i'm 27 now and i've had a lot of years since 13 to grow and learn and be more accepting of other people.i agree about ABA and i don't think i would want to be forced through involuntary training to learn to act normal. but i do try to learn how to get along with other people and mingle in society because i like living independantly without carers and the only way to do that is to learn some tact and communication skills. there are plenty of disputes or problems that arise in living in your own house and having meltdowns or hissy fits and refusing to make any attempt to communicate aren't the way to solve them. i know that i do have the ability to learn more about how to function in society and i keep trying to. it's got nothing to do with wanting to be less autistic because despite the limitations autism is part of what makes me who i am. it's just skills to make life more pleasant for me and others around me.CZpenguinexchange@... wrote:> In a message dated 11/1/2004 6:47:27 PM Central Standard Time, > creepyzucchini@... writes:>>> a lot of people with hfa or asperger's seem to think it makes them> better than others and that it isn't a disability but i don't see it> that way. although i don't wish i was diagnosed as a fetus and> aborted> or anything drastic like that i do wish i didn't have the limitations> that autism puts on me.>> <clipped some great stuff>> You sound a little like my son. But I wish he had your attitude. I > think a lot of s problems come from the fact that he was a miracle > child. I did it also a little but it came more from the community. It > was a shock that I even carried a child full term and the fact that > even though he is chunky his hair and skin is perfect. He really is a > beautiful child. He is also a bit stuck up. He doesn't have the > tolerance for people that are different and that includes ones that > are plain. We have been working on this and even though he has a great > self esteem it is bordering on selfishness. Not the kind that comes > with autism either. It is really hard to explain.> On the acceptance thing. I don't want cured. I do want him to > socialize as much as he can tolerate just because the world is > like that. As with most 13 year olds what his friends can do for him > is more important than the friends themselves.> I know about arguments between AC's and such since it is a major > personal subject. Especially for new parents. When I found out about > I hit all the emotions from sad to angry. After awhile I just > found it to be a waste of time. I have never gone overboard on > treatments. I think ABA is a very small step from dog training. We > basically just treated him like a kid. I learned real quick what was a > meltdown and what was a spoilt hissy fit. He also has that spoilt > child disease you know. lol.> > Amylee>>> ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~> The Being Sick Community>>> Message Archives-/messages>> Chat:- Scheduled Chats at> /chat>> Bookmarks:-> Add a website URL you have found useful.> /links>> Personal Complaints or problems:-> Please contact a moderator> email: -owner >> Subscription Details:-> 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.> 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.> 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > convenience and receive no email.>> To modify your subscription settings please visit:-> /join>> To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:-> -subscribe > -unsubscribe >> This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on > this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel > you need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician.> ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~> When nothing is sure, everything is possible.>> --- Margaret Drabble>> ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 CZ, I think you are too hard on yourself. I feel very close to you, though I suspect our relationship may be easier on both of us because we can simply turn off the computers if we need to. I have ADD. I understand it isn't the same, but I think there are many similarities. My biggest problem has been impulse control. Have you ever said something and then a split-second later cringed because you cannot believe you said it? Happens to me all the time. School was always very difficult for me because of my short attention span. If something interests me then I can pay attention. If I find it boring, no matter how hard I try I cannot make myself pay attention to it. I can, however (as I've learned) make it more interesting, therefore I'd be able to pay attention. I don't discuss my ADD to many people because of the stigma that surrounds it and debates on treatment. I did have an ADD support group, but I found that parents would want me to decide for them whether or not to put their children on Ritalin or a similar stimulant. I can tell them my experiences with Ritalin and without, but I refuse to tell them how to parent their children. I had joined other groups of adults with children who have ADD or ADHD but when they'd ask my opinion, I'd be attacked for how I felt and they'd try to mother me. For example, a common problem is that I used to be ADHD. Now I'm not hyperactive, but I do show the signs of ADD. A woman asked me if I thought I had grown out of the hyperactivity, and for all purposes I feel that I have. I'm not sure how or why, but I am no longer hyperactive. I got many Reponses of people saying 'no, you didn't grow out of it'. Who are they to tell me what I've done or haven't done? I grew tired of it and left. It is easier for me to have relationships on the computer because I can simply turn the computer off when I've had my fill of people. I can't do that in real life. What I do have a hard time with on the computer is emails don't convey emotion. What I mean by that is I can make a concise statement to the group, and everyone will take it a different way. I have to look at my emails very carefully to be sure that it says what I mean it to say. My brother, as you know, has autism. He is a very high functioning autistic, but it has been interesting watching us interact. Sometimes I feel like he absolutely hates me. He can be very cruel. I know he doesn't mean it though. Our age difference also plays a role, I'm 7 years older than he is. I'm sure that as he grows older we will have a better relationship, but for the time being, he can barely stand me. Hugs, Re: Re: Roll Call! a lot of people with hfa or asperger's seem to think it makes them better than others and that it isn't a disability but i don't see it that way. although i don't wish i was diagnosed as a fetus and aborted or anything drastic like that i do wish i didn't have the limitations that autism puts on me. it definitely does make for unique differences that aren't all negative but on the whole it restricts me from being able to use my high iq effectively because of learning disabilities and sensory problems. if iq was any measure of ability to study i should be a ph.d. instead of a 10th grade dropout. i've never really had friends and i live a very isolated life which i prefer because of the autism making socialising difficult. but i would like to be able to bond with other people and communicate seamlessly without having to work my brain so hard to figure out all the different layers of communication when someone speaks. and also having autism makes it harder to have successful treatment for other problems i had like post traumatic stress disorder and anorexia nervosa and ocd because therapists or psychologists aren't exempt from my communication problems.i know if i wrote all this post on an autism group i would probably be jumped on by heaps of people telling me i need to learn to stop denying who i am and see my autism as a gift but i know on this group that won't happen. on the internet i only have one mildly autistic friend. all the rest of my online friends are "nt" (people without autism) and i don't see them as lesser people than myself i really treasure their friendship. in real life i have no friends but a lot of people who i stop and say hi to when i go out to shops. most of them i don't remember from looks alone because i'm face-blind (www.prosopagnosia.com for explanation of that) but i do like the short conversations i have with them. eventually i will know everybody because i live in a very small town but so far there are only a couple i recognise without help from where i see them or stuff they say. usually it's just hi how are you isn't it a lovely day today summer's on its way type conversations.CZpenguinexchange@... wrote:> In a message dated 10/30/2004 5:32:17 PM Central Standard Time, > unique@... writes:>> I have a good therapist, just started with a new one recently who> seems> pretty good. I was just having a tough time with having Asperger> Syndrome and how it limits me and wishing I could perform as well> in my> life as other people are able to. Sometimes it feels like my high> IQ is> being wasted by the limitations of the Aspergers. I was telling> someone> this morning that if I never got stressed, I wouldn't know I had> Aspergers.>> My son is the same way. I think in HIS case the high IQ is a defecit. > This is mainly since he is still young. He sees too much of the > difference and really doesn't know what to do about it. He has kids in > school that try to be his friend but he would basically rather hang > around adults.> > Amylee>>> ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~> The Being Sick Community>>> Message Archives-/messages>> Chat:- Scheduled Chats at> /chat>> Bookmarks:-> Add a website URL you have found useful.> /links>> Personal Complaints or problems:-> Please contact a moderator> email: -owner >> Subscription Details:-> 1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.> 2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to > browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.> 3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into groups at your > convenience and receive no email.>> To modify your subscription settings please visit:-> /join>> To subscribe or unsubscribe please email:-> -subscribe > -unsubscribe >> This group is not intended to diagnose or treat illnesses. No one on > this group is qualified to diagnose medical conditions. If you feel > you need medical attention, seek the advice of a qualified physician.> ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~> When nothing is sure, everything is possible.>> --- Margaret Drabble>> ~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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