Re: Fluoride and tea

[Guest guest]

Dear Vilik,

So right!

The method of science is to divide and divide down to the smallest

particle, so that understanding will somehow flow from this. It does

not. Synergism of compnenets is what causes the world to be what it is.

A 103 year old man was recently interviewed in the local paper. Asked his

secret for

longevity, he replied that smoking a pipe for the last 70 years and drinking

2 shots

of whiskey a day were the key to his long life!

So drink your tea and be happy. It is not quantity of life that counts, but

quality.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Fluoride and tea

>

> Bill,

>

> I second, third and fourth appreciation of your research ability

> and your posts. Thank you!

>

> As to fluoride and tea...there are still so many unknowns. Most

> of the research on fluoride was done with sodium fluoride. Does

> that carry over to all forms? Who knows?

>

> I recently went to a chi gong conference and met a 95 year old master

> who was doing kung fu and throwing people a third his age. He smokes.

> (One of those long chinese pipes.) I bet he drinks green tea. (Of

> course I don't know that...but I could find out.)

>

> We cannot take something out of a culture and try to analyze it without

> looking at the whole culture and context in which it is imbedded and

> and to which it is wedded. We tried to do that with soy products...not

> understanding that the WAY soy is used in Asia is as much if not more

> important than the soy itself.

>

> The same with tea. We bring green tea over here and herald it as

wonderful.

> Then we decide it is in fact terrible. It's craziness. We don't understand

> at all how green tea fits into the culture in which its use evolved, what

> other factors are at work, etc.

>

> We westerners do this again and again. We isolate things, and we think

> that by further isolating their ingredients we will find the " answer " .

> We only end up chasing our own tails more and more. I think real wholistic

> thinking, which is studying the WHOLE, is where the true answers lie.

>

> Can ultimate answers be found in a lab? Will analyzing the isolated

> components of anything leads to a real understanding of how they function?

> My intuition and life wisdom says...no.

>

> And so I myself put any opinions about tea on hold. In five or ten years

> I'm sure studies will show totally contrary results again. Meanwhile, I

> suspect Master Dwan will be sipping his tea after his morning chi gong,

> smoking his pipe, and smiling.

>

> A sante!

>

> ~^^V^^~

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I was never very good at muscle testing, so never

followed through on my kinesiology. I was always the

guy with every muscle blown out, same as my adrenals - shot

for the last 20 years, but

reading how you're taking care of your aged mother makes

me think I need to get off my lazy arse and try that more now

with my mom who is 78. I was told I wasn't electrical enough

to be a good muscle tester and needed fatty acids.

I know I'm boring, but come on! Give a guy a break! The only one

who thinks I'm electrical is my wife!

Thanks for the personal insight! And I hope your sweet mom

is doing well.

P

)

> First, I want to say that brewing time has a lot to do with how much

> flourine is released from tea. Forty-five years ago I watched a film

> short demonstrating that after 15 minutes brewing Lipton tea all

> microorganisms in the tea were dead. I remember this every time I see

> someone brewing Sun tea. Tea should be brewed for one to two minutes,

> and never more than five! Also, black tea is fermented green tea, and

> has a significantly higher flourine content.

>

> My way of answering questions like whether or not to drink green tea are

> to ask myself & others using kinesiological muscle testing. I learned

> this over twenty years ago when I studied acupressure. It has never

> failed me and, IMO, always gives accurate answers to questions of

> whether or not a body needs a given substance.

>

> I have a small sample population, just me and my 82 year old mom, but

> both of us test stronger with the green tea than without. For me it is a

> very subtle difference, but when I tested my mom it made the isolated

> muscle I was testing significantly stronger. Her muscle went from weak

> to strong. This is a very positive response.

>

> Since you can also use this for determining dosage I tested her for

> quantity. Interestingly, a rounded teaspoon of dry tea, which makes

> about 3 cups of tea made her stronger than just one cup. And, two

> rounded teaspoons made her stronger still. At three rounded teaspoons

> her muscle began to weaken. I finally determined her maximum dose to be

> two and one half rounded teaspoons.

>

> We get our tea from a local boutique that sells connoisseur teas,

> coffees, tobacco & cigars. It is pretty potent, having the strongest

> bouquet of any camellia sinensis tea I have ever smelled. Two and a half

> rounded teaspoons weighed just over 11 grams on my gold scale. An

> average commercial teabag, of those in my kitchen, contains 1.4 to 1.6

> grams per tea bag. So, that is a good seven cups of tea.

>

> So, if my 82 year old mother, who is healthy but frail, gets stronger by

> drinking lots of green tea, then I seriously doubt it is particularly

> harmful. Kinesiological testing is not fooled by things that make us

> stronger but harm us in the long run.

>

> That's my two cents on green tea, with a few dollars extra thrown in.

> ;-)

>

> jim

>

> Vilik Rapheles wrote:

> > As to fluoride and tea...

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

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take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

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or health care provider.

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[Guest guest]

Vilik,

First, I want to say that brewing time has a lot to do with how much

flourine is released from tea. Forty-five years ago I watched a film

short demonstrating that after 15 minutes brewing Lipton tea all

microorganisms in the tea were dead. I remember this every time I see

someone brewing Sun tea. Tea should be brewed for one to two minutes,

and never more than five! Also, black tea is fermented green tea, and

has a significantly higher flourine content.

My way of answering questions like whether or not to drink green tea are

to ask myself & others using kinesiological muscle testing. I learned

this over twenty years ago when I studied acupressure. It has never

failed me and, IMO, always gives accurate answers to questions of

whether or not a body needs a given substance.

I have a small sample population, just me and my 82 year old mom, but

both of us test stronger with the green tea than without. For me it is a

very subtle difference, but when I tested my mom it made the isolated

muscle I was testing significantly stronger. Her muscle went from weak

to strong. This is a very positive response.

Since you can also use this for determining dosage I tested her for

quantity. Interestingly, a rounded teaspoon of dry tea, which makes

about 3 cups of tea made her stronger than just one cup. And, two

rounded teaspoons made her stronger still. At three rounded teaspoons

her muscle began to weaken. I finally determined her maximum dose to be

two and one half rounded teaspoons.

We get our tea from a local boutique that sells connoisseur teas,

coffees, tobacco & cigars. It is pretty potent, having the strongest

bouquet of any camellia sinensis tea I have ever smelled. Two and a half

rounded teaspoons weighed just over 11 grams on my gold scale. An

average commercial teabag, of those in my kitchen, contains 1.4 to 1.6

grams per tea bag. So, that is a good seven cups of tea.

So, if my 82 year old mother, who is healthy but frail, gets stronger by

drinking lots of green tea, then I seriously doubt it is particularly

harmful. Kinesiological testing is not fooled by things that make us

stronger but harm us in the long run.

That's my two cents on green tea, with a few dollars extra thrown in.

;-)

jim

Vilik Rapheles wrote:

> As to fluoride and tea...

[Guest guest]

From: " Saul Pressman " <saul@...>

A 103 year old man was recently interviewed in the local paper. Asked

his secret for longevity, he replied that smoking a pipe for the last

70 years and drinking 2 shots of whiskey a day were the key to his long

life!

~~~~~~~~

Saul...Good story. The woman who so far has lived the longest (verifiable)

died recently in France at 120. She smoked until she was 119...gave it up

because she thought she might be becoming addicted. <grin> Come to think

of it...she gave it up and then died. Gee...

So drink your tea and be happy. It is not quantity of life that counts,

but quality.

~~~~~~~~

Actually I don't drink tea...once again I guess I am the " devil's

advocate " . I don't drink it now because of the caffeine...even in

decaffeinated. But I remember when I visited Newfoundland and there

was always a pot of tea on the stove...thick and black...drunk with

sugar and milk or cream. It someone represented all the goodness and

good will of the people.

Perhaps what we believe about things, what they represent to us,

how we feel when we do them...perhaps those are the " ingredients "

that make all the difference, and which can't be measured in a lab.

~^^V^^~