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How about all the mycotoxins circulating now thru my return going in

my new hvac? I worry about that since hvac have some moisture seems

those spores will contaminate my new hvac. I did have a hepa

filterization sytem added to unit but seems Carl said that will only

help 50% which I don't really get if hepa traps 0.3microns. I also

have a merve 11 filter inside and I think I should hepa vac and wipe

the grid with vinegar every time I change the filter. I have filters

in my floor vent registers also. The hvac guy said for me to use the

cheap regular filters to make sure I didn't block too much air flow

but I want the highest merve filter and using that right now.

I wish I could have all my carpet removed too and that would spread

more mycotoxins. Can't afford it right now anyhow so just hepa

vaccing and hoping it is getting somehthing up but if they are sticky

and imbedded in the carpet, I wonder how the vaccum gets them up.

I'm thinking about not even putting up new valances on windows since

they are just dust collectors and spores flying around will land on

the new ones. I wiped down all blinds for now and thru out some.

Will replace in future if things ever settle down.

Rhonda

>

>

> Aerodynamic forces in ventilation systems cause variable increases

in

> the release of toxins from spores and give the false impression

that

> the HVAC systems must necessarily be the primary source of mold

> contamination.

>

> It feels just that much worse when the system is operating!

>

> Many brand new ventilation systems installed in moldy environments

> give instant " hits " that mold responders associate with cycles of

> operation.

>

> Increased symptoms result from disturbance of spores creates an

> increase in neurotoxic exposure that sensitive people can easily

> detect.

> This is one of the clues that indicates that spore counting is

> inherently flawed in assessing mycotoxin exposure.

> Every mold responder who experiences the " hit " differential from a

> ventilation system that does not contain mold growth can clearly

feel

> that although the ambient average of spores remains an average

> constant, the exacerbation of symptoms from conditions of mycotoxin

> release through aerodynamic forces changes the level of neurotoxic

> exposure dramatically.

> There is simply no comparison between the symptoms from ambient

levels

> of spores and the exacerbation from the same amounts of spores

which

> have been subjected to change in velocity.

> You don't require scientific analysis to validate this anomaly to

> conventional models of mold exposure,

> you can feel it.

> -

>

Posted

-Carpeting is a massive resevoir for contamination-even in a clean

place- I am not trying to add to your burden of work- but when I

moved into my nice clean rental- it had 2 rooms carpeted- so I

bought a hepa vacumn- even with having other people vacumn, and

leaving the house for the day, I was sick for three days after

vacuming. With permission, I pulled the carpet out of the bedroom,

and just painted the chipboard with floor paint and covered the

living room floor with plastic-taped around the edges- this more

than anything else I did in the last year instantly led to increase

health- I cannot advise people strongly enough that carpeting is a

sponge for toxin and all kinds of dirt-to live with wall to wall

when you are sick is to ask for more sickness

-- In , " Rhonda "

<rhondaleokitty@...> wrote:

>

> How about all the mycotoxins circulating now thru my return going

in

> my new hvac? I worry about that since hvac have some moisture

seems

> those spores will contaminate my new hvac. I did have a hepa

> filterization sytem added to unit but seems Carl said that will

only

> help 50% which I don't really get if hepa traps 0.3microns. I

also

> have a merve 11 filter inside and I think I should hepa vac and

wipe

> the grid with vinegar every time I change the filter. I have

filters

> in my floor vent registers also. The hvac guy said for me to use

the

> cheap regular filters to make sure I didn't block too much air

flow

> but I want the highest merve filter and using that right now.

>

> I wish I could have all my carpet removed too and that would

spread

> more mycotoxins. Can't afford it right now anyhow so just hepa

> vaccing and hoping it is getting somehthing up but if they are

sticky

> and imbedded in the carpet, I wonder how the vaccum gets them up.

>

> I'm thinking about not even putting up new valances on windows

since

> they are just dust collectors and spores flying around will land

on

> the new ones. I wiped down all blinds for now and thru out some.

> Will replace in future if things ever settle down.

>

> Rhonda

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Aerodynamic forces in ventilation systems cause variable

increases

> in

> > the release of toxins from spores and give the false impression

> that

> > the HVAC systems must necessarily be the primary source of mold

> > contamination.

> >

> > It feels just that much worse when the system is operating!

> >

> > Many brand new ventilation systems installed in moldy

environments

> > give instant " hits " that mold responders associate with cycles

of

> > operation.

> >

> > Increased symptoms result from disturbance of spores creates an

> > increase in neurotoxic exposure that sensitive people can easily

> > detect.

> > This is one of the clues that indicates that spore counting is

> > inherently flawed in assessing mycotoxin exposure.

> > Every mold responder who experiences the " hit " differential

from a

> > ventilation system that does not contain mold growth can clearly

> feel

> > that although the ambient average of spores remains an average

> > constant, the exacerbation of symptoms from conditions of

mycotoxin

> > release through aerodynamic forces changes the level of

neurotoxic

> > exposure dramatically.

> > There is simply no comparison between the symptoms from ambient

> levels

> > of spores and the exacerbation from the same amounts of spores

> which

> > have been subjected to change in velocity.

> > You don't require scientific analysis to validate this anomaly

to

> > conventional models of mold exposure,

> > you can feel it.

> > -

> >

>

Posted

Rhonda,

Sorry if I mislead you so let me clarify.

>I did have a hepa

> filterization sytem added to unit but seems Carl said that will only

> help 50% which I don't really get if hepa traps 0.3microns.

I believe I acutally said 1/3 rather than 1/2. Yes, HEPAs filter

99.97% at 0.3 microns -- but only the particles in the air that gets

to the HEPA. Add-on HEPA filters on furnaces don't run all the air

through the HEPA. Only about 1/3 of the air goes through the HEPA

with the other 2/3 thirds straight through the furnace just like it

always did. So you need your regular furnace filter. Your MERV 11 was

a good choice.

The way the HEPA helps is when the blower runs all the time then the

air is sequentially filtered, gradually reducing the amount of

particles in the air - assuming more isn't being added from other

sources. Just like a room purifier does it. Imagine a whole house

HEPA on your furnace as a big purifier and you live inside it.

> I also

> have a merve 11 filter inside

Yes, to filter the 2/3 that doesn't go through the HEPA.

> I have filters

> in my floor vent registers also. The hvac guy said for me to use

> the cheap regular filters to make sure I didn't block too much air

> flow

MERV ratings appropriate for furnaces won't block too much air. But a

MERV 11 plus additional floor vent filters might. Because your ducts

were recently replaced and cleaned there won't be contamination past

the HEPA and the MERV 11 filters so the vent filters aren't really

needed.

> I worry about that since hvac have some moisture seems

> those spores will contaminate my new hvac.

HVAC has moisture only from a humidifier or when the A/C is on.

Otherwise any contamination won't be anymore than what would

" normally " be there anyway. This does not negate all the work you

just did. It's like cleaning shovels full of dirt from a room and

then worrying that what tracks in on your shoes will immediately

recreate the room full of dirt.

Carl

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