Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Hello all...I have a question that I know someone here can help me with. First ( OK....2 questions LOL ) What is the difference between sodium laurel sulfate and sodium laureth sulfate ? second - Can I sub one for the other ? I have a recipe that I was very kindly given for bubble bath bars and I really, really, really want to make it. I am finding it very hard to get either here in Australia, so I don't want to make a mistake and get the wrong one. The recipe I have calls for Sodium laurel sulfoacetate......now is that different to the others ? ( 3 questions...LOL are you counting ? ) Please someone help me out !!! Hugs and blessings, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Hello all...I have a question that I know someone here can help me with. First ( OK....2 questions LOL ) What is the difference between sodium laurel sulfate and sodium laureth sulfate ? second - Can I sub one for the other ? I have a recipe that I was very kindly given for bubble bath bars and I really, really, really want to make it. I am finding it very hard to get either here in Australia, so I don't want to make a mistake and get the wrong one. The recipe I have calls for Sodium laurel sulfoacetate......now is that different to the others ? ( 3 questions...LOL are you counting ? ) Please someone help me out !!! Hugs and blessings, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Hello all...I have a question that I know someone here can help me with. First ( OK....2 questions LOL ) What is the difference between sodium laurel sulfate and sodium laureth sulfate ? second - Can I sub one for the other ? I have a recipe that I was very kindly given for bubble bath bars and I really, really, really want to make it. I am finding it very hard to get either here in Australia, so I don't want to make a mistake and get the wrong one. The recipe I have calls for Sodium laurel sulfoacetate......now is that different to the others ? ( 3 questions...LOL are you counting ? ) Please someone help me out !!! Hugs and blessings, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 hope this helpful.... Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate......... Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque, pearlescent, or cream products. Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners, emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product is milder than the SLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 hope this helpful.... Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate......... Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque, pearlescent, or cream products. Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners, emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product is milder than the SLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 hope this helpful.... Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate......... Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque, pearlescent, or cream products. Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners, emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product is milder than the SLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response. This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs " or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric- bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will occur at a 3% concentration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response. This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs " or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric- bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will occur at a 3% concentration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response. This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs " or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric- bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will occur at a 3% concentration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 if you will go to www.todieforsoap.com/sodiumlaurelsulfoacetate.htm I think you will find the answers you want. Lord help me I hope I spelled it all OK Holly On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:10:48 +1000 " joey ledlie " writes: > > > Hello all...I have a question that I know someone here can help me > with. > First ( OK....2 questions LOL ) > What is the difference between sodium laurel sulfate and sodium > laureth > sulfate ? > second - Can I sub one for the other ? > I have a recipe that I was very kindly given for bubble bath bars > and I > really, really, really want to make it. I am finding it very hard to > get > either here in Australia, so I don't want to make a mistake and get > the > wrong one. The recipe I have calls for Sodium laurel > sulfoacetate......now > is that different to the others ? ( 3 questions...LOL are you > counting ? ) > > Please someone help me out !!! > > Hugs and blessings, . > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 If you don't mind me asking, which one is being referred to as SLS since they all have the same initials? Really not trying to give you a hard time. This just always confuses me. Deby At 06:04 AM 11/16/2004, you wrote: >hope this helpful.... > >Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated >alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate......... > >Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care >applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are >of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is >particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels >of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and >amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity >characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be >incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams >and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque, >pearlescent, or cream products. > >Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents >and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this >surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid >detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners, >emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral >and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much >improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended >for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product >is milder than the SLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 If you don't mind me asking, which one is being referred to as SLS since they all have the same initials? Really not trying to give you a hard time. This just always confuses me. Deby At 06:04 AM 11/16/2004, you wrote: >hope this helpful.... > >Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated >alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate......... > >Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care >applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are >of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is >particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels >of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and >amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity >characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be >incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams >and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque, >pearlescent, or cream products. > >Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents >and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this >surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid >detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners, >emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral >and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much >improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended >for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product >is milder than the SLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 If you don't mind me asking, which one is being referred to as SLS since they all have the same initials? Really not trying to give you a hard time. This just always confuses me. Deby At 06:04 AM 11/16/2004, you wrote: >hope this helpful.... > >Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated >alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate......... > >Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care >applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are >of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is >particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels >of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and >amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity >characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be >incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams >and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque, >pearlescent, or cream products. > >Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents >and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this >surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid >detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners, >emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral >and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much >improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended >for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product >is milder than the SLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Wow ! Thank you !!!!! You really know your stuff...soooo...I think I should be looking for Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate. Not available in Australia !!!! Now, what am I going to do ? LOL Think, , think !!!! Is your name Adore ? It is lovely, if it is. Hugs and again, thank you so much. Re: a question > > > > more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing > white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered > bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and > cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response. > > This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs " > or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric- > bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to > foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to > the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl > Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap > whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will > occur at a 3% concentration. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Wow ! Thank you !!!!! You really know your stuff...soooo...I think I should be looking for Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate. Not available in Australia !!!! Now, what am I going to do ? LOL Think, , think !!!! Is your name Adore ? It is lovely, if it is. Hugs and again, thank you so much. Re: a question > > > > more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing > white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered > bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and > cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response. > > This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs " > or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric- > bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to > foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to > the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl > Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap > whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will > occur at a 3% concentration. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 In a message dated 11/16/2004 5:04:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, ledliana@... writes: Wow ! Thank you !!!!! You really know your stuff...soooo...I think I should be looking for Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate. Not available in Australia !!!! Now, what am I going to do ? LOL Think, , think !!!! Is your name Adore ? It is lovely, if it is. Hugs and again, thank you so much. Re: a question > > > > more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing > white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered > bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and > cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response. > > This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs " > or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric- > bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to > foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to > the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl > Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap > whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will > occur at a 3% concentration. > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Thanks Holly..I'll go there now. ...hugs and blessings, . Re: a question > > > if you will go to www.todieforsoap.com/sodiumlaurelsulfoacetate.htm > I think you will find the answers you want. Lord help me I hope I > spelled it all OK Holly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 SODIUM LAURETH SULFATE (Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulfate- SLES) Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) To function well, all shampoos and body washes require a primary or main cleanser as part of the formulation. There are four main groups of primary cleansers, all of which are chemically different. 1. Sulfates 2. Soaps 3. Sulfonates 4. Carboxylates The cosmetic industry has chosen to use SULFATES (such as SLS, SLES and ammonium lauryl sulfate) as the main cleanser in shampoos and body washes almost exclusively up until now, due to their powerful cleansing action and very low cost. but as i understand it Sulfates tend to be powerful irritants, and there are also questions about their long-term safety. There are safer alternatives, although they are much more expensive. So i choose and what i find other companies who are concerned with irrating skin we choose Sodium lauryl sulfoacetate sodium, a member of the SULFONATE group, and sodium cocoyl sarcosinate, a member of the CARBOXYLATE group. Both of these cleansers are skin friendly and have negligible irritancy. They are plant derived and perform well as cleansers. sorry 4 being so techinical..hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 OHhhhhhh!! Talk technical to me baby...... Thank you for such great insightful info! Sandy Re: a question SODIUM LAURETH SULFATE (Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulfate- SLES) Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) To function well, all shampoos and body washes require a primary or main cleanser as part of the formulation. There are four main groups of primary cleansers, all of which are chemically different. 1. Sulfates 2. Soaps 3. Sulfonates 4. Carboxylates The cosmetic industry has chosen to use SULFATES (such as SLS, SLES and ammonium lauryl sulfate) as the main cleanser in shampoos and body washes almost exclusively up until now, due to their powerful cleansing action and very low cost. but as i understand it Sulfates tend to be powerful irritants, and there are also questions about their long-term safety. There are safer alternatives, although they are much more expensive. So i choose and what i find other companies who are concerned with irrating skin we choose Sodium lauryl sulfoacetate sodium, a member of the SULFONATE group, and sodium cocoyl sarcosinate, a member of the CARBOXYLATE group. Both of these cleansers are skin friendly and have negligible irritancy. They are plant derived and perform well as cleansers. sorry 4 being so techinical..hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 I have lots of research links and have done thousands of hrs of research about hep c , including lactulose for high amonia levels and so far ........I have never heard of a study being done about people who work with amonia that may be on lactulose . But I am going to forward this post on to University of San Fransisco California's research department to see what I can get from them ... A Question OK Folks, I have a question. Does anyone know of any studies done on the effects of repeated ammonia inhalation coincident with the use of Lactulose? Allan with 2 L's just don't ask what made me think of this HA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Last time I checked the difference in price for a single dose flu shot with thimerosal versus a thimerosal free, purcjased in 10 syringe packs was about 80 cents per dose. > > Just as an FYI, or in this case, an FMI, question does any one have a rough idea of what the cost per jab of the thimerosal used in a vaccine is? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 > > Hi, I have posted a few times before about my 2 year old daughter. > She is a twin, Baby A. She had torticollis which did not respond > to PT and had the SCM release at 13 months. At 10 months she was dx > with a mild curve of 24 degrees. The curve progressed very quickly > to 57.3 degrees and she was placed in a series of 3 casts. When the > last cast was removed she was virtually straight. ~~~ 5 degrees > thoracic curve the lumbar had resolved. Immediately at cast removal > they casted her for her TLSO, it took 4 days to get it. The first > xray in her brace was heart wrenching. Both the thoracic and the > lumbar curve had returned, the picture looked like a snake. (this > was in Feb.) They have made lots of modifications and she was at > least holding her own. Her spine is very very flexible. We had an > xray 2 weeks ago and they added another pad for the thoracic curve. > Remarkably it looks better now, but just in 2 weeks the lumbar curve > progressed. The oddest thing about all of this is that when you > look at her she looks completely straight. The xrays show an > entirely different picture, as a matter of fact prior to her SCM > release you could see the thoracic curve and then after a few months > it looked so much better. Just recently I can obviously feel the > lumbar curve more than before. They added an extra pad to the TLSO > to support her, and her physician is contacting a world known ped > ortho in France with all her films and H and P. Does anyone know > who that is? He said the name, but of course I can not remember > it. I have heard all along that with casting and bracing infantile > scoliosis resolves usually...and that usually it is the thoracic > curves you see, not the lumbar, and now her lumbar is progressing??? > Does anyone have a take on this, or a similar experience? I was > just so hoping this was all going to be ending again, and it seems > like we are going for round 2. I am just so disappointed for her. > I so badly want this all to be over, and now can no longer see the > light at the end of the tunnel. Most days I handle all of this so > well, but I have really been having a hard time. Just wondering if > anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks. > Hi, I'm so sorry you're going through this. I 'me afraid I don't know the doctors name you're looking for and we haven't had the same experience. however we seem to have problems no-one else seems to be familiar with and seem to be getting worse by the day. I really hope you find what you're looking for, I'm sure it will come together but i can understand your anguish. If I come across anything of interest to you when I'm doing my research for our daughter I will let you know. Just wanted to let you know we're thinking of you. Annette (UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 > > Hi, I have posted a few times before about my 2 year old daughter. > She is a twin, Baby A. She had torticollis which did not respond > to PT and had the SCM release at 13 months. At 10 months she was dx > with a mild curve of 24 degrees. The curve progressed very quickly > to 57.3 degrees and she was placed in a series of 3 casts. When the > last cast was removed she was virtually straight. ~~~ 5 degrees > thoracic curve the lumbar had resolved. Immediately at cast removal > they casted her for her TLSO, it took 4 days to get it. The first > xray in her brace was heart wrenching. Both the thoracic and the > lumbar curve had returned, the picture looked like a snake. (this > was in Feb.) They have made lots of modifications and she was at > least holding her own. Her spine is very very flexible. We had an > xray 2 weeks ago and they added another pad for the thoracic curve. > Remarkably it looks better now, but just in 2 weeks the lumbar curve > progressed. The oddest thing about all of this is that when you > look at her she looks completely straight. The xrays show an > entirely different picture, as a matter of fact prior to her SCM > release you could see the thoracic curve and then after a few months > it looked so much better. Just recently I can obviously feel the > lumbar curve more than before. They added an extra pad to the TLSO > to support her, and her physician is contacting a world known ped > ortho in France with all her films and H and P. Does anyone know > who that is? He said the name, but of course I can not remember > it. I have heard all along that with casting and bracing infantile > scoliosis resolves usually...and that usually it is the thoracic > curves you see, not the lumbar, and now her lumbar is progressing??? > Does anyone have a take on this, or a similar experience? I was > just so hoping this was all going to be ending again, and it seems > like we are going for round 2. I am just so disappointed for her. > I so badly want this all to be over, and now can no longer see the > light at the end of the tunnel. Most days I handle all of this so > well, but I have really been having a hard time. Just wondering if > anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks. > Hi, I'm so sorry you're going through this. I 'me afraid I don't know the doctors name you're looking for and we haven't had the same experience. however we seem to have problems no-one else seems to be familiar with and seem to be getting worse by the day. I really hope you find what you're looking for, I'm sure it will come together but i can understand your anguish. If I come across anything of interest to you when I'm doing my research for our daughter I will let you know. Just wanted to let you know we're thinking of you. Annette (UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 > > Hi, I have posted a few times before about my 2 year old daughter. > She is a twin, Baby A. She had torticollis which did not respond > to PT and had the SCM release at 13 months. At 10 months she was dx > with a mild curve of 24 degrees. The curve progressed very quickly > to 57.3 degrees and she was placed in a series of 3 casts. When the > last cast was removed she was virtually straight. ~~~ 5 degrees > thoracic curve the lumbar had resolved. Immediately at cast removal > they casted her for her TLSO, it took 4 days to get it. The first > xray in her brace was heart wrenching. Both the thoracic and the > lumbar curve had returned, the picture looked like a snake. (this > was in Feb.) They have made lots of modifications and she was at > least holding her own. Her spine is very very flexible. We had an > xray 2 weeks ago and they added another pad for the thoracic curve. > Remarkably it looks better now, but just in 2 weeks the lumbar curve > progressed. The oddest thing about all of this is that when you > look at her she looks completely straight. The xrays show an > entirely different picture, as a matter of fact prior to her SCM > release you could see the thoracic curve and then after a few months > it looked so much better. Just recently I can obviously feel the > lumbar curve more than before. They added an extra pad to the TLSO > to support her, and her physician is contacting a world known ped > ortho in France with all her films and H and P. Does anyone know > who that is? He said the name, but of course I can not remember > it. I have heard all along that with casting and bracing infantile > scoliosis resolves usually...and that usually it is the thoracic > curves you see, not the lumbar, and now her lumbar is progressing??? > Does anyone have a take on this, or a similar experience? I was > just so hoping this was all going to be ending again, and it seems > like we are going for round 2. I am just so disappointed for her. > I so badly want this all to be over, and now can no longer see the > light at the end of the tunnel. Most days I handle all of this so > well, but I have really been having a hard time. Just wondering if > anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks. > Hi, I'm so sorry you're going through this. I 'me afraid I don't know the doctors name you're looking for and we haven't had the same experience. however we seem to have problems no-one else seems to be familiar with and seem to be getting worse by the day. I really hope you find what you're looking for, I'm sure it will come together but i can understand your anguish. If I come across anything of interest to you when I'm doing my research for our daughter I will let you know. Just wanted to let you know we're thinking of you. Annette (UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 I think I read somewhere that lumbar curves are more difficult to treat than a thoracic. Have they considered putting her back in a cast since she did so well in it? If she only had three casts, maybe they were premature in removing it?? What is her rotation like? Perhaps the rotation isn't resolved enough yet to have her out of cast. Just throwing out some guesses that maybe you could ask your doc about. Hope they can figure out what is going on. Keep us posted. Noelle (12-2-01) Ian (8-15-04) a question Hi, I have posted a few times before about my 2 year old daughter. She is a twin, Baby A. She had torticollis which did not respond to PT and had the SCM release at 13 months. At 10 months she was dx with a mild curve of 24 degrees. The curve progressed very quickly to 57.3 degrees and she was placed in a series of 3 casts. When the last cast was removed she was virtually straight. ~~~ 5 degrees thoracic curve the lumbar had resolved. Immediately at cast removal they casted her for her TLSO, it took 4 days to get it. The first xray in her brace was heart wrenching. Both the thoracic and the lumbar curve had returned, the picture looked like a snake. (this was in Feb.) They have made lots of modifications and she was at least holding her own. Her spine is very very flexible. We had an xray 2 weeks ago and they added another pad for the thoracic curve. Remarkably it looks better now, but just in 2 weeks the lumbar curve progressed. The oddest thing about all of this is that when you look at her she looks completely straight. The xrays show an entirely different picture, as a matter of fact prior to her SCM release you could see the thoracic curve and then after a few months it looked so much better. Just recently I can obviously feel the lumbar curve more than before. They added an extra pad to the TLSO to support her, and her physician is contacting a world known ped ortho in France with all her films and H and P. Does anyone know who that is? He said the name, but of course I can not remember it. I have heard all along that with casting and bracing infantile scoliosis resolves usually...and that usually it is the thoracic curves you see, not the lumbar, and now her lumbar is progressing??? Does anyone have a take on this, or a similar experience? I was just so hoping this was all going to be ending again, and it seems like we are going for round 2. I am just so disappointed for her. I so badly want this all to be over, and now can no longer see the light at the end of the tunnel. Most days I handle all of this so well, but I have really been having a hard time. Just wondering if anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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