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Hello all...I have a question that I know someone here can help me with.

First ( OK....2 questions LOL )

What is the difference between sodium laurel sulfate and sodium laureth

sulfate ?

second - Can I sub one for the other ?

I have a recipe that I was very kindly given for bubble bath bars and I

really, really, really want to make it. I am finding it very hard to get

either here in Australia, so I don't want to make a mistake and get the

wrong one. The recipe I have calls for Sodium laurel sulfoacetate......now

is that different to the others ? ( 3 questions...LOL are you counting ? )

Please someone help me out !!!

Hugs and blessings, .

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Hello all...I have a question that I know someone here can help me with.

First ( OK....2 questions LOL )

What is the difference between sodium laurel sulfate and sodium laureth

sulfate ?

second - Can I sub one for the other ?

I have a recipe that I was very kindly given for bubble bath bars and I

really, really, really want to make it. I am finding it very hard to get

either here in Australia, so I don't want to make a mistake and get the

wrong one. The recipe I have calls for Sodium laurel sulfoacetate......now

is that different to the others ? ( 3 questions...LOL are you counting ? )

Please someone help me out !!!

Hugs and blessings, .

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Hello all...I have a question that I know someone here can help me with.

First ( OK....2 questions LOL )

What is the difference between sodium laurel sulfate and sodium laureth

sulfate ?

second - Can I sub one for the other ?

I have a recipe that I was very kindly given for bubble bath bars and I

really, really, really want to make it. I am finding it very hard to get

either here in Australia, so I don't want to make a mistake and get the

wrong one. The recipe I have calls for Sodium laurel sulfoacetate......now

is that different to the others ? ( 3 questions...LOL are you counting ? )

Please someone help me out !!!

Hugs and blessings, .

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hope this helpful....

Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated

alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.........

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care

applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are

of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is

particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels

of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and

amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity

characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be

incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams

and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque,

pearlescent, or cream products.

Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents

and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this

surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid

detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners,

emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral

and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much

improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended

for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product

is milder than the SLS.

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hope this helpful....

Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated

alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.........

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care

applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are

of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is

particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels

of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and

amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity

characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be

incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams

and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque,

pearlescent, or cream products.

Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents

and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this

surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid

detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners,

emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral

and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much

improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended

for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product

is milder than the SLS.

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hope this helpful....

Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated

alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.........

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care

applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are

of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is

particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels

of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and

amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity

characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be

incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams

and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque,

pearlescent, or cream products.

Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents

and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this

surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid

detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners,

emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral

and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much

improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended

for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product

is milder than the SLS.

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more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing

white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered

bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and

cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response.

This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs "

or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric-

bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to

foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to

the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl

Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap

whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will

occur at a 3% concentration.

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more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing

white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered

bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and

cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response.

This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs "

or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric-

bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to

foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to

the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl

Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap

whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will

occur at a 3% concentration.

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more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing

white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered

bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and

cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response.

This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs "

or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric-

bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to

foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to

the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl

Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap

whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will

occur at a 3% concentration.

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if you will go to www.todieforsoap.com/sodiumlaurelsulfoacetate.htm

I think you will find the answers you want. Lord help me I hope I

spelled it all OK Holly

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:10:48 +1000 " joey ledlie "

writes:

>

>

> Hello all...I have a question that I know someone here can help me

> with.

> First ( OK....2 questions LOL )

> What is the difference between sodium laurel sulfate and sodium

> laureth

> sulfate ?

> second - Can I sub one for the other ?

> I have a recipe that I was very kindly given for bubble bath bars

> and I

> really, really, really want to make it. I am finding it very hard to

> get

> either here in Australia, so I don't want to make a mistake and get

> the

> wrong one. The recipe I have calls for Sodium laurel

> sulfoacetate......now

> is that different to the others ? ( 3 questions...LOL are you

> counting ? )

>

> Please someone help me out !!!

>

> Hugs and blessings, .

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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If you don't mind me asking, which one is being referred to as SLS since

they all have the same initials? Really not trying to give you a hard

time. This just always confuses me.

Deby

At 06:04 AM 11/16/2004, you wrote:

>hope this helpful....

>

>Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated

>alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.........

>

>Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care

>applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are

>of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is

>particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels

>of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and

>amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity

>characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be

>incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams

>and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque,

>pearlescent, or cream products.

>

>Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents

>and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this

>surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid

>detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners,

>emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral

>and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much

>improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended

>for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product

>is milder than the SLS.

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If you don't mind me asking, which one is being referred to as SLS since

they all have the same initials? Really not trying to give you a hard

time. This just always confuses me.

Deby

At 06:04 AM 11/16/2004, you wrote:

>hope this helpful....

>

>Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated

>alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.........

>

>Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care

>applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are

>of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is

>particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels

>of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and

>amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity

>characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be

>incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams

>and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque,

>pearlescent, or cream products.

>

>Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents

>and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this

>surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid

>detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners,

>emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral

>and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much

>improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended

>for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product

>is milder than the SLS.

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If you don't mind me asking, which one is being referred to as SLS since

they all have the same initials? Really not trying to give you a hard

time. This just always confuses me.

Deby

At 06:04 AM 11/16/2004, you wrote:

>hope this helpful....

>

>Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to the skin than ethoxylated

>alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.........

>

>Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is useful in a wide variety of personal care

>applications in which viscosity building and foam characteistics are

>of importance. Because of its low salt content, this product is

>particulary useful in formulations that ae sensitive to high levels

>of sodium chloride. It is compatible with alkanolamides and

>amphoterics so that maximum optimization of foam and viscosity

>characteristics can be reached in the finished product. It can be

>incorporated into shampoos, handsoaps, bath products, shaving creams

>and medicated ointments. It is especially useful for opaque,

>pearlescent, or cream products.

>

>Sodium Laureth Sulfate is used in high foaming dishwashing detergents

>and many industrial cleaners. The physical properties of this

>surfactant suggest many other applications such as shampoos, liquid

>detergents, foaming agents, heavy duty alkaline cleaners,

>emulsifiers, textile mill kier boiling bleach assistants, and neutral

>and alkaline scouring. Foam stability in the presence of soap is much

>improved over other anionics, therefore this product is recommended

>for cleaning products containing soap as an ingredient. This product

>is milder than the SLS.

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Wow ! Thank you !!!!! You really know your stuff...soooo...I think I should

be looking for Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate. Not available in Australia !!!!

Now, what am I going to do ? LOL Think, , think !!!!

Is your name Adore ? It is lovely, if it is. Hugs and again, thank you so

much.

Re: a question

>

>

>

> more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing

> white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered

> bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and

> cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response.

>

> This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs "

> or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric-

> bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to

> foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to

> the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl

> Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap

> whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will

> occur at a 3% concentration.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Wow ! Thank you !!!!! You really know your stuff...soooo...I think I should

be looking for Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate. Not available in Australia !!!!

Now, what am I going to do ? LOL Think, , think !!!!

Is your name Adore ? It is lovely, if it is. Hugs and again, thank you so

much.

Re: a question

>

>

>

> more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing

> white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered

> bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and

> cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response.

>

> This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs "

> or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric-

> bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to

> foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to

> the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl

> Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap

> whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will

> occur at a 3% concentration.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 11/16/2004 5:04:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ledliana@... writes:

Wow ! Thank you !!!!! You really know your stuff...soooo...I think I should

be looking for Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate. Not available in Australia !!!!

Now, what am I going to do ? LOL Think, , think !!!!

Is your name Adore ? It is lovely, if it is. Hugs and again, thank you so

much.

Re: a question

>

>

>

> more on acetate.......Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is a free flowing

> white powder. This versatile product is excellent for use in powdered

> bubble baths, bath salts, cream and paste shampoos, bath bombs and

> cleansing creams. Provides excellent foaming and viscosity response.

>

> This material is excellent for blending into so called " bath bombs "

> or bath fizzees. With the fizzing action caused by the citric-

> bicarbonate reaction, the gas released will cause the Sulfoacetate to

> foam, creating a bubble bath. Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate is milder to

> the skin than ethoxylated alcohol sulfates such as Sodium Lauryl

> Sulfate. It is hard water stable. It is often used to replace soap

> whenever soap sensitization is found. Minimal to no irritation will

> occur at a 3% concentration.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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SODIUM LAURETH SULFATE (Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulfate- SLES)

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS)

To function well, all shampoos and body washes require a primary or

main cleanser as part of the formulation. There are four main groups

of primary cleansers, all of which are chemically different. 1.

Sulfates 2. Soaps 3. Sulfonates 4. Carboxylates The cosmetic industry

has chosen to use SULFATES (such as SLS, SLES and ammonium lauryl

sulfate) as the main cleanser in shampoos and body washes almost

exclusively up until now, due to their powerful cleansing action and

very low cost. but as i understand it Sulfates tend to be powerful

irritants, and there are also questions about their long-term safety.

There are safer alternatives, although they are much more expensive.

So i choose and what i find other companies who are concerned with

irrating skin we choose Sodium lauryl sulfoacetate sodium, a member

of the SULFONATE group, and sodium cocoyl sarcosinate, a member of

the CARBOXYLATE group. Both of these cleansers are skin friendly and

have negligible irritancy. They are plant derived and perform well as

cleansers.

sorry 4 being so techinical..hehe

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OHhhhhhh!! Talk technical to me baby......

Thank you for such great insightful info!

Sandy

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SODIUM LAURETH SULFATE (Sodium Lauryl Ether Sulfate- SLES)

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS)

To function well, all shampoos and body washes require a primary or

main cleanser as part of the formulation. There are four main groups

of primary cleansers, all of which are chemically different. 1.

Sulfates 2. Soaps 3. Sulfonates 4. Carboxylates The cosmetic industry

has chosen to use SULFATES (such as SLS, SLES and ammonium lauryl

sulfate) as the main cleanser in shampoos and body washes almost

exclusively up until now, due to their powerful cleansing action and

very low cost. but as i understand it Sulfates tend to be powerful

irritants, and there are also questions about their long-term safety.

There are safer alternatives, although they are much more expensive.

So i choose and what i find other companies who are concerned with

irrating skin we choose Sodium lauryl sulfoacetate sodium, a member

of the SULFONATE group, and sodium cocoyl sarcosinate, a member of

the CARBOXYLATE group. Both of these cleansers are skin friendly and

have negligible irritancy. They are plant derived and perform well as

cleansers.

sorry 4 being so techinical..hehe

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I have lots of research links and have done thousands of hrs of research about hep c , including lactulose for high amonia levels and so far ........I have never heard of a study being done about people who work with amonia that may be on lactulose . But I am going to forward this post on to University of San Fransisco California's research department to see what I can get from them ...

A Question

OK Folks,

I have a question.

Does anyone know of any studies done on the effects of repeated ammonia inhalation coincident with the use of Lactulose?

Allan with 2 L's just don't ask what made me think of this HA!

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Last time I checked the difference in price for a single dose flu shot

with thimerosal versus a thimerosal free, purcjased in 10 syringe

packs was about 80 cents per dose.

>

> Just as an FYI, or in this case, an FMI, question does any one have

a rough idea of what the cost per jab of the thimerosal used in a

vaccine is?

>

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>

> Hi, I have posted a few times before about my 2 year old

daughter.

> She is a twin, Baby A. She had torticollis which did not respond

> to PT and had the SCM release at 13 months. At 10 months she was

dx

> with a mild curve of 24 degrees. The curve progressed very

quickly

> to 57.3 degrees and she was placed in a series of 3 casts. When

the

> last cast was removed she was virtually straight. ~~~ 5 degrees

> thoracic curve the lumbar had resolved. Immediately at cast

removal

> they casted her for her TLSO, it took 4 days to get it. The first

> xray in her brace was heart wrenching. Both the thoracic and the

> lumbar curve had returned, the picture looked like a snake. (this

> was in Feb.) They have made lots of modifications and she was at

> least holding her own. Her spine is very very flexible. We had

an

> xray 2 weeks ago and they added another pad for the thoracic

curve.

> Remarkably it looks better now, but just in 2 weeks the lumbar

curve

> progressed. The oddest thing about all of this is that when you

> look at her she looks completely straight. The xrays show an

> entirely different picture, as a matter of fact prior to her SCM

> release you could see the thoracic curve and then after a few

months

> it looked so much better. Just recently I can obviously feel the

> lumbar curve more than before. They added an extra pad to the

TLSO

> to support her, and her physician is contacting a world known ped

> ortho in France with all her films and H and P. Does anyone know

> who that is? He said the name, but of course I can not remember

> it. I have heard all along that with casting and bracing

infantile

> scoliosis resolves usually...and that usually it is the thoracic

> curves you see, not the lumbar, and now her lumbar is

progressing???

> Does anyone have a take on this, or a similar experience? I was

> just so hoping this was all going to be ending again, and it seems

> like we are going for round 2. I am just so disappointed for

her.

> I so badly want this all to be over, and now can no longer see the

> light at the end of the tunnel. Most days I handle all of this so

> well, but I have really been having a hard time. Just wondering

if

> anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks.

>

Hi, I'm so sorry you're going through this. I 'me afraid I don't

know the doctors name you're looking for and we haven't had the same

experience. however we seem to have problems no-one else seems to

be familiar with and seem to be getting worse by the day. I really

hope you find what you're looking for, I'm sure it will come

together but i can understand your anguish. If I come across

anything of interest to you when I'm doing my research for our

daughter I will let you know. Just wanted to let you know we're

thinking of you.

Annette (UK)

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>

> Hi, I have posted a few times before about my 2 year old

daughter.

> She is a twin, Baby A. She had torticollis which did not respond

> to PT and had the SCM release at 13 months. At 10 months she was

dx

> with a mild curve of 24 degrees. The curve progressed very

quickly

> to 57.3 degrees and she was placed in a series of 3 casts. When

the

> last cast was removed she was virtually straight. ~~~ 5 degrees

> thoracic curve the lumbar had resolved. Immediately at cast

removal

> they casted her for her TLSO, it took 4 days to get it. The first

> xray in her brace was heart wrenching. Both the thoracic and the

> lumbar curve had returned, the picture looked like a snake. (this

> was in Feb.) They have made lots of modifications and she was at

> least holding her own. Her spine is very very flexible. We had

an

> xray 2 weeks ago and they added another pad for the thoracic

curve.

> Remarkably it looks better now, but just in 2 weeks the lumbar

curve

> progressed. The oddest thing about all of this is that when you

> look at her she looks completely straight. The xrays show an

> entirely different picture, as a matter of fact prior to her SCM

> release you could see the thoracic curve and then after a few

months

> it looked so much better. Just recently I can obviously feel the

> lumbar curve more than before. They added an extra pad to the

TLSO

> to support her, and her physician is contacting a world known ped

> ortho in France with all her films and H and P. Does anyone know

> who that is? He said the name, but of course I can not remember

> it. I have heard all along that with casting and bracing

infantile

> scoliosis resolves usually...and that usually it is the thoracic

> curves you see, not the lumbar, and now her lumbar is

progressing???

> Does anyone have a take on this, or a similar experience? I was

> just so hoping this was all going to be ending again, and it seems

> like we are going for round 2. I am just so disappointed for

her.

> I so badly want this all to be over, and now can no longer see the

> light at the end of the tunnel. Most days I handle all of this so

> well, but I have really been having a hard time. Just wondering

if

> anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks.

>

Hi, I'm so sorry you're going through this. I 'me afraid I don't

know the doctors name you're looking for and we haven't had the same

experience. however we seem to have problems no-one else seems to

be familiar with and seem to be getting worse by the day. I really

hope you find what you're looking for, I'm sure it will come

together but i can understand your anguish. If I come across

anything of interest to you when I'm doing my research for our

daughter I will let you know. Just wanted to let you know we're

thinking of you.

Annette (UK)

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>

> Hi, I have posted a few times before about my 2 year old

daughter.

> She is a twin, Baby A. She had torticollis which did not respond

> to PT and had the SCM release at 13 months. At 10 months she was

dx

> with a mild curve of 24 degrees. The curve progressed very

quickly

> to 57.3 degrees and she was placed in a series of 3 casts. When

the

> last cast was removed she was virtually straight. ~~~ 5 degrees

> thoracic curve the lumbar had resolved. Immediately at cast

removal

> they casted her for her TLSO, it took 4 days to get it. The first

> xray in her brace was heart wrenching. Both the thoracic and the

> lumbar curve had returned, the picture looked like a snake. (this

> was in Feb.) They have made lots of modifications and she was at

> least holding her own. Her spine is very very flexible. We had

an

> xray 2 weeks ago and they added another pad for the thoracic

curve.

> Remarkably it looks better now, but just in 2 weeks the lumbar

curve

> progressed. The oddest thing about all of this is that when you

> look at her she looks completely straight. The xrays show an

> entirely different picture, as a matter of fact prior to her SCM

> release you could see the thoracic curve and then after a few

months

> it looked so much better. Just recently I can obviously feel the

> lumbar curve more than before. They added an extra pad to the

TLSO

> to support her, and her physician is contacting a world known ped

> ortho in France with all her films and H and P. Does anyone know

> who that is? He said the name, but of course I can not remember

> it. I have heard all along that with casting and bracing

infantile

> scoliosis resolves usually...and that usually it is the thoracic

> curves you see, not the lumbar, and now her lumbar is

progressing???

> Does anyone have a take on this, or a similar experience? I was

> just so hoping this was all going to be ending again, and it seems

> like we are going for round 2. I am just so disappointed for

her.

> I so badly want this all to be over, and now can no longer see the

> light at the end of the tunnel. Most days I handle all of this so

> well, but I have really been having a hard time. Just wondering

if

> anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks.

>

Hi, I'm so sorry you're going through this. I 'me afraid I don't

know the doctors name you're looking for and we haven't had the same

experience. however we seem to have problems no-one else seems to

be familiar with and seem to be getting worse by the day. I really

hope you find what you're looking for, I'm sure it will come

together but i can understand your anguish. If I come across

anything of interest to you when I'm doing my research for our

daughter I will let you know. Just wanted to let you know we're

thinking of you.

Annette (UK)

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I think I read somewhere that lumbar curves are more difficult to treat than a

thoracic.

Have they considered putting her back in a cast since she did so well in it? If

she only had three casts, maybe they were premature in removing it?? What is

her rotation like? Perhaps the rotation isn't resolved enough yet to have her

out of cast. Just throwing out some guesses that maybe you could ask your doc

about.

Hope they can figure out what is going on. Keep us posted.

Noelle (12-2-01)

Ian (8-15-04)

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Hi, I have posted a few times before about my 2 year old daughter.

She is a twin, Baby A. She had torticollis which did not respond

to PT and had the SCM release at 13 months. At 10 months she was dx

with a mild curve of 24 degrees. The curve progressed very quickly

to 57.3 degrees and she was placed in a series of 3 casts. When the

last cast was removed she was virtually straight. ~~~ 5 degrees

thoracic curve the lumbar had resolved. Immediately at cast removal

they casted her for her TLSO, it took 4 days to get it. The first

xray in her brace was heart wrenching. Both the thoracic and the

lumbar curve had returned, the picture looked like a snake. (this

was in Feb.) They have made lots of modifications and she was at

least holding her own. Her spine is very very flexible. We had an

xray 2 weeks ago and they added another pad for the thoracic curve.

Remarkably it looks better now, but just in 2 weeks the lumbar curve

progressed. The oddest thing about all of this is that when you

look at her she looks completely straight. The xrays show an

entirely different picture, as a matter of fact prior to her SCM

release you could see the thoracic curve and then after a few months

it looked so much better. Just recently I can obviously feel the

lumbar curve more than before. They added an extra pad to the TLSO

to support her, and her physician is contacting a world known ped

ortho in France with all her films and H and P. Does anyone know

who that is? He said the name, but of course I can not remember

it. I have heard all along that with casting and bracing infantile

scoliosis resolves usually...and that usually it is the thoracic

curves you see, not the lumbar, and now her lumbar is progressing???

Does anyone have a take on this, or a similar experience? I was

just so hoping this was all going to be ending again, and it seems

like we are going for round 2. I am just so disappointed for her.

I so badly want this all to be over, and now can no longer see the

light at the end of the tunnel. Most days I handle all of this so

well, but I have really been having a hard time. Just wondering if

anyone else had a similar experience? Thanks.

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