Jump to content
RemedySpot.com

Re: Ozone & diabetes

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre?

susan

Re: Ozone & diabetes

>

>Dear Charlie,

>

>Diabetes, in its most common form, is due to insufficient insulin

>production by the pancreas and/or overweight which makes the

>insulin not work as well in getting sugar into the cells.

>

>Ozone helps in several ways. It increases insulin production by

>optimizing pancreas function (all hormone production requires oxygen).

>It cleans out toxins and debris which interfere with cellular functioning.

>And it increases the amount of oxygen delivered to the extremities, which

>is a problem in longterm diabetics.

>

>Depending on symptoms, ozone can be applied transdermally with a funnel

>on the skin of the abdomen over the pancreas, and for circulatory problems,

>by bagging a limb. For failing eyesight (actually a symptom caused by

>injected

>synthetic insulin), ozone applied through ear insufflation works well.

>

>The pancreas can be regenerated by taking the herb Gymnema sylvestre.

>

>Best of Health!

>Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

>

>URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

>email: saul@...

>

> " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that

created

>them " . - Einstein

>

>

> Ozone & diabetes

>

>

>>

>> Does anyone know how ozone is beneficial for diabetics, or some

>> protocol for self treatment?

>> Charlie

>>

>> Past, Present, & Future; Was, Is, & Will Be

>> Yours To Decide

>> http://community.webtv.net/cpj1on1/YESTERDAYTODAY

>>

>>

>> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>other alternative self-help subjects.

>>

>> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>>

>> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

ar

>e for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

>information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

your

>own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability

to

>take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

>hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

>here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

>or health care provider.

>>

>> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

>address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>> DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

>the message! :

>>

>> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>>

>> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal

mode.

>>

>

>

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks Saul,

Somehow I knew you would answer my post! As soon as I can afford one, I am

going to purchase an ozone generator. I take homozon everyday & I am always

looking to gain more knowledge on o2 therapies.

Thanks Again

Charlie

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dear Charlie,

Diabetes, in its most common form, is due to insufficient insulin

production by the pancreas and/or overweight which makes the

insulin not work as well in getting sugar into the cells.

Ozone helps in several ways. It increases insulin production by

optimizing pancreas function (all hormone production requires oxygen).

It cleans out toxins and debris which interfere with cellular functioning.

And it increases the amount of oxygen delivered to the extremities, which

is a problem in longterm diabetics.

Depending on symptoms, ozone can be applied transdermally with a funnel

on the skin of the abdomen over the pancreas, and for circulatory problems,

by bagging a limb. For failing eyesight (actually a symptom caused by

injected

synthetic insulin), ozone applied through ear insufflation works well.

The pancreas can be regenerated by taking the herb Gymnema sylvestre.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Ozone & diabetes

>

> Does anyone know how ozone is beneficial for diabetics, or some

> protocol for self treatment?

> Charlie

>

> Past, Present, & Future; Was, Is, & Will Be

> Yours To Decide

> http://community.webtv.net/cpj1on1/YESTERDAYTODAY

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here ar

e for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dear Charlie,

You are very welcome.

Homozon is a very good start.

Don't forget the Gymnema at your local health food store.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Re: Ozone & diabetes

>

> Thanks Saul,

> Somehow I knew you would answer my post! As soon as I can afford one, I

am

> going to purchase an ozone generator. I take homozon everyday & I am

always

> looking to gain more knowledge on o2 therapies.

> Thanks Again

> Charlie

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you I will

Re: Ozone & diabetes

>

>,

>

>Here are some articles:

>

>http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Herb/Gymnema.htm

>http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/gymnema_sylvestre.htm

>

>And you can buy it here:

>

>www.drugstore.com

>

>Or, do a search on it. I got 3290 hits in that name.

>

>jim :)

>

>

> wrote:

>>

>> saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre?

>> susan

>

>-----

>For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is

>always wrong -- H.L. Mencken

>

>jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

>http://www.entrance.to/poetry

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

,

Here are some articles:

http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Herb/Gymnema.htm

http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/gymnema_sylvestre.htm

And you can buy it here:

www.drugstore.com

Or, do a search on it. I got 3290 hits in that name.

jim :)

wrote:

>

> saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre?

> susan

-----

For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is

always wrong -- H.L. Mencken

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

Link to comment
Share on other sites

To the list

The Lancet for September 9th 2000 (923-28) has an article on

Traumatic Brain Injury under the title " Seminar. "

The author states that

" The decrease in mortality and improved outcome for patients with

severe traumatic brain injury over the past 25 years can be

attributed to the approach of

" squeezing oxygenated blood through a swollen brain. "

This improvement has resulted largely from early recognition and

treatment of cerebal hypoperfusion.

Perhaps neurosurgeons may be eventually be persuaded to squeeze

in some more oxygen by using hyperbaric conditions. Increasing the

level of oxygen is the ONLY way to increase brain oxygenation AND

reduce swelling with the reduction of intracranial pressure.

Reference

Sukoff MH, Ragatz RE. Hyperbaric oxygenation for the treatment of

acute cerebral edema. Neurosurgery 1982;10:29-38.

Best wishes

Philip

Wolfson Hyperbaric Medicine Unit

University of Dundee

Ninewells Hospital and Medical School

Dundee DD1 9SY

Re: Ozone & diabetes

>

>,

>

>Here are some articles:

>

>http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Herb/Gymnema.htm

>http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/gymnema_sylvestre.htm

>

>And you can buy it here:

>

>www.drugstore.com

>

>Or, do a search on it. I got 3290 hits in that name.

>

>jim :)

>

>

> wrote:

>>

>> saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre?

>> susan

>

>-----

>For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is

>always wrong -- H.L. Mencken

>

>jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

>http://www.entrance.to/poetry

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

August 30, 2000

10 Things Your HMO Doctor Won't Tell You

By Carol Marie Cropper

The List

1. " If I order expensive treatments for you, the cost might come out of my

pocket. "

2. " On the other hand, if I order up less care, your HMO might send me a

bonus check. "

3. " That cheap HMO you signed up for pays me only $8, or maybe $10 to $12

a

month to treat you, so I hope you don't come around too often. "

4. " If you become too much of a financial drain, I have ways to make you

walk. "

5. " If I treat you too aggressively, I could get kicked out of the HMO. "

6. " HMOs have sophisticated computer programs that let them track exactly

how much my patient care is costing them. And they let me know. "

7. " Ordering expensive treatments for you could tie me and my staff up on

the phone for hours with your HMO to get approval. "

8. " You might rate less of my time if you're with one of those

penny-pinching HMOs. "

9. " The drug I prescribe may not be the best one for you — but it's what

your HMO will cover. "

10. " If you have to go to the hospital, I may turn your care over to a

doctor who works directly for the HMO. "

An Ounce of Prevention

Want to get the most out of your HMO? How loud can your wheel squeak?

Complain? You want to know from complaining?

Capsis, a native New Yorker, can tell you a thing or two. When the

veteran marketing man found he had a tumor growing around his left kidney,

and his HMO sent him to a young doctor who took out just three kidneys a

year

— and that doc hadn't even looked at his CAT scan (because it had gotten

lost) — Capsis complained.

In fact, Capsis is almost a textbook case of how to make a fuss in order to

get the care you want out of an HMO.

The elderly Capsis (who, despite his outspokenness, refuses to give his age)

started by asking the specialist designated by his HMO exactly how many

times

he had performed the needed procedure. Then he did his own research to find

a

better option (in this case, a more experienced surgeon). He ferreted out

the

government agency in a position to apply some pressure. And, when he

complained to the HMO, telling it what he wanted, he made sure to " CC " his

new friend at the New York State Department of Health so the HMO would know

it was being watched. Result: a successful surgery performed by the expert

he

wanted.

Capsis used five of the strategies recommended by Kirsch, executive

director of Citizen Action of New York, an affiliate of consumer-watchdog

group U.S. Action:

Find out if the HMO doctor is experienced at doing what you need done.

Educate yourself on treatment options.

Locate a government agency that oversees HMOs in your state so you can check

for complaints and, if necessary, file one yourself.

Appeal to the HMO if you don't get what you want.

Make sure the HMO knows the government agency is watching.

" A lot of HMOs will turn things down just automatically, and if you appeal

they'll take a closer look at it, " says Kirsch.

Other options include getting a second opinion and switching to another HMO

primary-care doctor if the one you have seems lackadaisical about your care.

Also, when your doctor suggests one course of treatment, ask what other ones

have been used by patients with your condition.

As a last resort, 37 states provide for external appeal, says Judy Waxman,

deputy executive director for Families USA, a nonprofit

consumer-health-advocacy group. She warns though that some reviews are more

HMO-independent than others. Plus, the state laws providing for them don't

apply to plans offered by the roughly one-third of (usually large) employers

that self-insure. Ditto for many government worker plans.

Waging war against an insurance company won't be easy when you're weak and

worried about a serious illness. Try to avoid a problem by doing some

research before you sign up — if you have a choice of health plans. Ask your

doctor what he thinks of the plan you're considering. Or go to one of the

Web

sites run by state agencies or business groups that ranks HMOs on such

things

as number of complaints and ease of getting care. In New York, the New York

State Health Accountability Foundation rates plans. Similar sites exist in

California, Texas and other states.

" The number one instruction is, 'Be a squeaky wheel,' " advises

McGiffert, a policy analyst with Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer

Reports magazine, which rated HMOs in its August 1999 issue. " Complain,

complain, complain. "

If you do, says Dr. Peeno, who used to make her living turning down

treatments for an HMO: " They might shortchange somebody else's care rather

than your own. "

— Carol Marie Cropper

ROSEMARY DUDLEY TRUSTED her HMO doctor. After all, she worked in his office

as his nurse. So, in late 1997, when he told her a CAT scan showed no

recurrence of the cancer she'd battled for two years, she believed him.

And she wasn't surprised when he insisted that a referral to a cancer

specialist for the knot on her jaw wasn't necessary. Her health maintenance

organization paid him thousands in bonuses for holding the line on such

costs.

About four months later, Dudley came to know something else. Her cancer had

returned, crawling beneath the skin on her face. A January 1998 CAT scan —

ordered by another physician — showed it had moved to her lungs and to the

bones in her ribs, hips and legs. It was terminal.

The 67-year-old Texas woman is now suing her doctor and former employer —

who's fighting Dudley's suit and who testified that the reason he didn't

like

referring to the oncologist was because she interfered with his patients'

care. Dudley, along with a separate group of patients and a group of Fort

Worth-area physicians, also sued the HMO that offered docs the financial

incentives, Methodist Health Plan. paid almost $6 million to

settle those two class-action suits, plus resolved Dudley's case in an

undisclosed settlement. Meanwhile, the Texas Department of Insurance fined

$100,000, citing a state law banning financial incentives that

provide

an inducement to limit necessary care. It ordered the HMO to pay another

$3.4

million to doctors financially penalized under the plan. While it's

generally

difficult to sue HMOs for malpractice, the cases against instead

focused on treatment incentives and disincentives, which can be illegal

under

Texas law.

But this summer, ruling in another case, the U.S. Supreme Court said such

incentives don't violate an HMO's fiduciary duty under federal law. " In an

HMO system, a physician's financial interest lies in providing less care,

not

more, " Supreme Court Justice Souter said. " No HMO organization could

survive without some incentive connecting physician reward with treatment

rationing. "

That ruling calls into question the various laws against incentives and

disincentives in Texas and 22 other states. It also raises the issue: If

such

incentives are legal, how could they affect your care?

Following are some things your doctor won't tell you as you sit across from

him on the examining table, backside to the breeze. He may not even admit

them to himself — or if you're lucky enough to have a conscientious doctor,

they may not matter much. Not every HMO uses all these measures to pressure

docs into limiting care. But you can bet the contract your doctor signed

with

your HMO contains a few.

1. “If I order expensive treatments for you, the cost might come out of my

pocket.”

In the Texas case, ranked physicians based on how much their patients

cost the HMO. It then withheld up to 50% of the base pay of doctors who

ordered a lot of care, with the holdback dangled as an incentive to get

their

numbers in line. Otherwise, they'd lose the money. Plus, doctors who

prescribed more than a set limit for drugs had to make up as much as 35% of

the excess, deducted from their pay.

2. “On the other hand, if I order up less care, your HMO might send me a

bonus check.”

Herdrich, the Illinois patient in the Supreme Court case, waited 14

days after going to her HMO doctor for pain in her groin before getting the

expensive test that diagnosed her problem. Unfortunately, by then her

appendix had burst, infecting her abdominal cavity. After finding out that

her HMO gave year-end bonuses to doctors who, among other things, economized

on the use of diagnostic tests, she sued it, claiming it had violated its

fiduciary duty to her as a patient. The Supreme Court held that an HMO's

fiduciary duty doesn't stretch that far under federal law.

3. “That cheap HMO you signed up for pays me only $8, or maybe $10 to $12 a

month to treat you, so I hope you don't come around too often.”

Under a system called capitation, many HMOs pay primary-care doctors a set

amount per month for each patient assigned to them. Even that amount can

drop

if a doctor orders too many expensive referrals or hospital stays. So, sick

patients become a financial burden.

Just ask Dr. Beatrice Murray, a pediatrician in Grand Rapids, Mich. She got

a

good reputation for treating the many problems of children born prematurely.

That's what put her out of business.

" The number of our special needs cases just exploded, " she explains. But the

monthly stipend from the HMOs didn't. The amount varied by the child's age

and the HMO contract, but for a two-year-old, she says she usually got $6 to

$9 a month. Which might be fine if the child was healthy. Her patients

weren't.

Dr. Murray says she tried to explain to the HMOs, but they seemed all too

willing to lose her and her patients. The 52-year-old doctor lost her

private

practice this past May. She's now a salaried employee for a federally funded

clinic for the poor.

4. “If you become too much of a financial drain, I have ways to make you

walk.”

Some doctors head off the problem by saying they don't treat a certain type

of (read expensive) patient. Dr. Murray recalls the mothers who brought

their

triplets to her, complaining they couldn't find another pediatrician who

treated multiples.

But sometimes the doctor already has a patient before he develops diabetes

or

cancer, or contracts AIDS. For those situations, there's " turf and surf, "

says a Texas lawyer representing seven patients who claim their health-care

group discriminated against them because of their disabilities — illnesses

like cancer, rheumatoid arthritis and heart problems. Doctors use tactics to

grind unwanted patients into the turf, then surf them out to other doctors,

says attorney J. Provan, himself disabled from a bout with polio at

age five.

In a lawsuit and separate complaint to the U.S. Department of Justice,

Provan's clients say they were left alone in exam rooms for more than an

hour, forced to come to the office to pick up prescriptions that had been

phoned in to their pharmacists before and made to wait inordinately long

periods to get an appointment. The San clinic involved denies their

claims, as well as those of a former doctor who's also a plaintiff in the

case. The doctor alleges the medical group fired him because he attracted

disabled patients, then refused to cut corners on their care. Which brings

us

to...

5. “If I treat you too aggressively, I could get kicked out of the HMO.”

Those contracts doctors sign with HMOs expire every one or two years. Plus,

many have clauses allowing the HMO to terminate them without cause. A doctor

with many contracts doesn't have to worry about losing one. But in areas

where one HMO is dominant, a physician can watch his practice — and income —

shrivel if the HMO deselects him.

6. “HMOs have sophisticated computer programs that let them track exactly

how

much my patient care is costing them. And they let me know.”

Many doctors receive monthly report cards from HMOs they do business with,

pointing out how much care they ordered for each patient, or spent for

hospital stays, tests and specialists. Those who rack up more than the

average — or more than some predetermined target — may get a call from the

HMO. Or maybe they'll get pinched by the methods described above.

7. “Ordering expensive treatments for you could tie me and my staff up on

the

phone for hours with your HMO to get approval.”

Dr. Peeno used to be on the receiving end of such calls. Working as a

medical reviewer for giant Humana, she admits she looked for reasons to

reject coverage. After years of turning down treatments — including a heart

transplant for a Nevada man who later died — she now works as head ethics

consultant at the University of Louisville Hospital and as a paid consultant

for Boies, a lawyer better known for representing the government in

its

antitrust suit against Microsoft, but who's fast gaining a reputation for

suing HMOs as well.

Dr. Peeno remembers the early days of HMOs when doctors " would rant and rave

and call me names. They were much more strongly patient advocates than they

are now, " she says. Docs " became slowly compliant out of fatigue and

utility. "

8. “You might rate less of my time if you're with one of those

penny-pinching

HMOs.”

Kenna Nevill, a 45-year-old Dallas woman, remembers asking her doctor to

call

her after office hours with a test result she was worried about, and being

struck by his response. " He said, 'You know, I wouldn't do that for my HMO

patients. But I'll do it for you.' " She had recently switched from an HMO to

a PPO, or preferred provider organization. " I remember feeling like a

second-class patient with an HMO. "

How conscious is your doctor of the kind of medical coverage you have when

he

sits across from you? The Texas doctor who treated Dudley said each of his

patients' charts had a large stamp on the front indicating HMO, PPO or

old-fashioned indemnity-type coverage.

9. “The drug I prescribe may not be the best one for you — but it's what

your HMO will cover.”

HMOs give doctors lists of the drugs they want used. And those lists can

change in the middle of a patient's treatment, says Dr. Joe Cunningham, an

internist in Waco, Texas.

That can mean a drug that's working might be replaced by one that won't, at

least until the HMO can be convinced the more expensive medication is

necessary. While this may not pose much of a problem for most patients, for

those with life-threatening conditions — like seizures — it's potentially

fatal, says Dr. Cunningham.

10. “If you have to go to the hospital, I may turn your care over to a

doctor

who works directly for the HMO.”

The use of doctors called hospitalists to manage patients once they're in

the

hospital began in the early '90s, says Dr. Peeno. These specialists have

even

more incentive to deny you admission or hustle you out. They're on the

payroll of the HMO and, explains Peeno, " It doesn't take anybody with much

sense to figure out where the incentives are there. "

Of course, it's naive to think that health care has ever been free of

financial considerations. Under the old fee-for-service system, doctors had

an incentive to provide more — perhaps harmful — care, says Dr. M.

Cutler, chief medical officer with the American Association of Health Plans,

a trade organization representing managed-care plans. HMO incentives, he

argues, are designed to " encourage physicians to think more critically about

what it is that we do and to avoid waste — not to limit care. "

Adds Dr. Reardon, past president of the American Medical Association,

" I think a doctor generally does what is right for the patient and if it

hurts his income, he just absorbs that. "

But Dr. Cunningham, who worked on a Texas task force that studied such

incentives, isn't sure that is always the case. " You don't want to walk in

as

a patient to a physician who is thinking, 'You know, I've spent all my

allocation for this month.' "

<< CONSUMER ACTION ARCHIVE

Re: Ozone & diabetes

>

>,

>

>Here are some articles:

>

>http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Herb/Gymnema.htm

>http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/gymnema_sylvestre.htm

>

>And you can buy it here:

>

>www.drugstore.com

>

>Or, do a search on it. I got 3290 hits in that name.

>

>jim :)

>

>

> wrote:

>>

>> saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre?

>> susan

>

>-----

>For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is

>always wrong -- H.L. Mencken

>

>jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

>http://www.entrance.to/poetry

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...