Guest guest Posted September 18, 2000 Report Share Posted September 18, 2000 saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre? susan Re: Ozone & diabetes > >Dear Charlie, > >Diabetes, in its most common form, is due to insufficient insulin >production by the pancreas and/or overweight which makes the >insulin not work as well in getting sugar into the cells. > >Ozone helps in several ways. It increases insulin production by >optimizing pancreas function (all hormone production requires oxygen). >It cleans out toxins and debris which interfere with cellular functioning. >And it increases the amount of oxygen delivered to the extremities, which >is a problem in longterm diabetics. > >Depending on symptoms, ozone can be applied transdermally with a funnel >on the skin of the abdomen over the pancreas, and for circulatory problems, >by bagging a limb. For failing eyesight (actually a symptom caused by >injected >synthetic insulin), ozone applied through ear insufflation works well. > >The pancreas can be regenerated by taking the herb Gymnema sylvestre. > >Best of Health! >Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh > >URL: http://www.plasmafire.com >email: saul@... > > " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created >them " . - Einstein > > > Ozone & diabetes > > >> >> Does anyone know how ozone is beneficial for diabetics, or some >> protocol for self treatment? >> Charlie >> >> Past, Present, & Future; Was, Is, & Will Be >> Yours To Decide >> http://community.webtv.net/cpj1on1/YESTERDAYTODAY >> >> >> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and >other alternative self-help subjects. >> >> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! >> >> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here ar >e for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing >information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your >own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to >take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to >hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found >here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher >or health care provider. >> >> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following >address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >> DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of >the message! : >> >> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups >> >> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. >> > > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2000 Report Share Posted September 18, 2000 Thanks Saul, Somehow I knew you would answer my post! As soon as I can afford one, I am going to purchase an ozone generator. I take homozon everyday & I am always looking to gain more knowledge on o2 therapies. Thanks Again Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 Dear Charlie, Diabetes, in its most common form, is due to insufficient insulin production by the pancreas and/or overweight which makes the insulin not work as well in getting sugar into the cells. Ozone helps in several ways. It increases insulin production by optimizing pancreas function (all hormone production requires oxygen). It cleans out toxins and debris which interfere with cellular functioning. And it increases the amount of oxygen delivered to the extremities, which is a problem in longterm diabetics. Depending on symptoms, ozone can be applied transdermally with a funnel on the skin of the abdomen over the pancreas, and for circulatory problems, by bagging a limb. For failing eyesight (actually a symptom caused by injected synthetic insulin), ozone applied through ear insufflation works well. The pancreas can be regenerated by taking the herb Gymnema sylvestre. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Ozone & diabetes > > Does anyone know how ozone is beneficial for diabetics, or some > protocol for self treatment? > Charlie > > Past, Present, & Future; Was, Is, & Will Be > Yours To Decide > http://community.webtv.net/cpj1on1/YESTERDAYTODAY > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here ar e for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 Dear Charlie, You are very welcome. Homozon is a very good start. Don't forget the Gymnema at your local health food store. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Re: Ozone & diabetes > > Thanks Saul, > Somehow I knew you would answer my post! As soon as I can afford one, I am > going to purchase an ozone generator. I take homozon everyday & I am always > looking to gain more knowledge on o2 therapies. > Thanks Again > Charlie > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 Thank you I will Re: Ozone & diabetes > >, > >Here are some articles: > >http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Herb/Gymnema.htm >http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/gymnema_sylvestre.htm > >And you can buy it here: > >www.drugstore.com > >Or, do a search on it. I got 3290 hits in that name. > >jim > > > wrote: >> >> saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre? >> susan > >----- >For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is >always wrong -- H.L. Mencken > >jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience >http://www.entrance.to/poetry > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 , Here are some articles: http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Herb/Gymnema.htm http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/gymnema_sylvestre.htm And you can buy it here: www.drugstore.com Or, do a search on it. I got 3290 hits in that name. jim wrote: > > saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre? > susan ----- For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong -- H.L. Mencken jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2000 Report Share Posted September 22, 2000 To the list The Lancet for September 9th 2000 (923-28) has an article on Traumatic Brain Injury under the title " Seminar. " The author states that " The decrease in mortality and improved outcome for patients with severe traumatic brain injury over the past 25 years can be attributed to the approach of " squeezing oxygenated blood through a swollen brain. " This improvement has resulted largely from early recognition and treatment of cerebal hypoperfusion. Perhaps neurosurgeons may be eventually be persuaded to squeeze in some more oxygen by using hyperbaric conditions. Increasing the level of oxygen is the ONLY way to increase brain oxygenation AND reduce swelling with the reduction of intracranial pressure. Reference Sukoff MH, Ragatz RE. Hyperbaric oxygenation for the treatment of acute cerebral edema. Neurosurgery 1982;10:29-38. Best wishes Philip Wolfson Hyperbaric Medicine Unit University of Dundee Ninewells Hospital and Medical School Dundee DD1 9SY Re: Ozone & diabetes > >, > >Here are some articles: > >http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Herb/Gymnema.htm >http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/gymnema_sylvestre.htm > >And you can buy it here: > >www.drugstore.com > >Or, do a search on it. I got 3290 hits in that name. > >jim > > > wrote: >> >> saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre? >> susan > >----- >For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is >always wrong -- H.L. Mencken > >jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience >http://www.entrance.to/poetry > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2000 Report Share Posted September 22, 2000 August 30, 2000 10 Things Your HMO Doctor Won't Tell You By Carol Marie Cropper The List 1. " If I order expensive treatments for you, the cost might come out of my pocket. " 2. " On the other hand, if I order up less care, your HMO might send me a bonus check. " 3. " That cheap HMO you signed up for pays me only $8, or maybe $10 to $12 a month to treat you, so I hope you don't come around too often. " 4. " If you become too much of a financial drain, I have ways to make you walk. " 5. " If I treat you too aggressively, I could get kicked out of the HMO. " 6. " HMOs have sophisticated computer programs that let them track exactly how much my patient care is costing them. And they let me know. " 7. " Ordering expensive treatments for you could tie me and my staff up on the phone for hours with your HMO to get approval. " 8. " You might rate less of my time if you're with one of those penny-pinching HMOs. " 9. " The drug I prescribe may not be the best one for you — but it's what your HMO will cover. " 10. " If you have to go to the hospital, I may turn your care over to a doctor who works directly for the HMO. " An Ounce of Prevention Want to get the most out of your HMO? How loud can your wheel squeak? Complain? You want to know from complaining? Capsis, a native New Yorker, can tell you a thing or two. When the veteran marketing man found he had a tumor growing around his left kidney, and his HMO sent him to a young doctor who took out just three kidneys a year — and that doc hadn't even looked at his CAT scan (because it had gotten lost) — Capsis complained. In fact, Capsis is almost a textbook case of how to make a fuss in order to get the care you want out of an HMO. The elderly Capsis (who, despite his outspokenness, refuses to give his age) started by asking the specialist designated by his HMO exactly how many times he had performed the needed procedure. Then he did his own research to find a better option (in this case, a more experienced surgeon). He ferreted out the government agency in a position to apply some pressure. And, when he complained to the HMO, telling it what he wanted, he made sure to " CC " his new friend at the New York State Department of Health so the HMO would know it was being watched. Result: a successful surgery performed by the expert he wanted. Capsis used five of the strategies recommended by Kirsch, executive director of Citizen Action of New York, an affiliate of consumer-watchdog group U.S. Action: Find out if the HMO doctor is experienced at doing what you need done. Educate yourself on treatment options. Locate a government agency that oversees HMOs in your state so you can check for complaints and, if necessary, file one yourself. Appeal to the HMO if you don't get what you want. Make sure the HMO knows the government agency is watching. " A lot of HMOs will turn things down just automatically, and if you appeal they'll take a closer look at it, " says Kirsch. Other options include getting a second opinion and switching to another HMO primary-care doctor if the one you have seems lackadaisical about your care. Also, when your doctor suggests one course of treatment, ask what other ones have been used by patients with your condition. As a last resort, 37 states provide for external appeal, says Judy Waxman, deputy executive director for Families USA, a nonprofit consumer-health-advocacy group. She warns though that some reviews are more HMO-independent than others. Plus, the state laws providing for them don't apply to plans offered by the roughly one-third of (usually large) employers that self-insure. Ditto for many government worker plans. Waging war against an insurance company won't be easy when you're weak and worried about a serious illness. Try to avoid a problem by doing some research before you sign up — if you have a choice of health plans. Ask your doctor what he thinks of the plan you're considering. Or go to one of the Web sites run by state agencies or business groups that ranks HMOs on such things as number of complaints and ease of getting care. In New York, the New York State Health Accountability Foundation rates plans. Similar sites exist in California, Texas and other states. " The number one instruction is, 'Be a squeaky wheel,' " advises McGiffert, a policy analyst with Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports magazine, which rated HMOs in its August 1999 issue. " Complain, complain, complain. " If you do, says Dr. Peeno, who used to make her living turning down treatments for an HMO: " They might shortchange somebody else's care rather than your own. " — Carol Marie Cropper ROSEMARY DUDLEY TRUSTED her HMO doctor. After all, she worked in his office as his nurse. So, in late 1997, when he told her a CAT scan showed no recurrence of the cancer she'd battled for two years, she believed him. And she wasn't surprised when he insisted that a referral to a cancer specialist for the knot on her jaw wasn't necessary. Her health maintenance organization paid him thousands in bonuses for holding the line on such costs. About four months later, Dudley came to know something else. Her cancer had returned, crawling beneath the skin on her face. A January 1998 CAT scan — ordered by another physician — showed it had moved to her lungs and to the bones in her ribs, hips and legs. It was terminal. The 67-year-old Texas woman is now suing her doctor and former employer — who's fighting Dudley's suit and who testified that the reason he didn't like referring to the oncologist was because she interfered with his patients' care. Dudley, along with a separate group of patients and a group of Fort Worth-area physicians, also sued the HMO that offered docs the financial incentives, Methodist Health Plan. paid almost $6 million to settle those two class-action suits, plus resolved Dudley's case in an undisclosed settlement. Meanwhile, the Texas Department of Insurance fined $100,000, citing a state law banning financial incentives that provide an inducement to limit necessary care. It ordered the HMO to pay another $3.4 million to doctors financially penalized under the plan. While it's generally difficult to sue HMOs for malpractice, the cases against instead focused on treatment incentives and disincentives, which can be illegal under Texas law. But this summer, ruling in another case, the U.S. Supreme Court said such incentives don't violate an HMO's fiduciary duty under federal law. " In an HMO system, a physician's financial interest lies in providing less care, not more, " Supreme Court Justice Souter said. " No HMO organization could survive without some incentive connecting physician reward with treatment rationing. " That ruling calls into question the various laws against incentives and disincentives in Texas and 22 other states. It also raises the issue: If such incentives are legal, how could they affect your care? Following are some things your doctor won't tell you as you sit across from him on the examining table, backside to the breeze. He may not even admit them to himself — or if you're lucky enough to have a conscientious doctor, they may not matter much. Not every HMO uses all these measures to pressure docs into limiting care. But you can bet the contract your doctor signed with your HMO contains a few. 1. “If I order expensive treatments for you, the cost might come out of my pocket.” In the Texas case, ranked physicians based on how much their patients cost the HMO. It then withheld up to 50% of the base pay of doctors who ordered a lot of care, with the holdback dangled as an incentive to get their numbers in line. Otherwise, they'd lose the money. Plus, doctors who prescribed more than a set limit for drugs had to make up as much as 35% of the excess, deducted from their pay. 2. “On the other hand, if I order up less care, your HMO might send me a bonus check.” Herdrich, the Illinois patient in the Supreme Court case, waited 14 days after going to her HMO doctor for pain in her groin before getting the expensive test that diagnosed her problem. Unfortunately, by then her appendix had burst, infecting her abdominal cavity. After finding out that her HMO gave year-end bonuses to doctors who, among other things, economized on the use of diagnostic tests, she sued it, claiming it had violated its fiduciary duty to her as a patient. The Supreme Court held that an HMO's fiduciary duty doesn't stretch that far under federal law. 3. “That cheap HMO you signed up for pays me only $8, or maybe $10 to $12 a month to treat you, so I hope you don't come around too often.” Under a system called capitation, many HMOs pay primary-care doctors a set amount per month for each patient assigned to them. Even that amount can drop if a doctor orders too many expensive referrals or hospital stays. So, sick patients become a financial burden. Just ask Dr. Beatrice Murray, a pediatrician in Grand Rapids, Mich. She got a good reputation for treating the many problems of children born prematurely. That's what put her out of business. " The number of our special needs cases just exploded, " she explains. But the monthly stipend from the HMOs didn't. The amount varied by the child's age and the HMO contract, but for a two-year-old, she says she usually got $6 to $9 a month. Which might be fine if the child was healthy. Her patients weren't. Dr. Murray says she tried to explain to the HMOs, but they seemed all too willing to lose her and her patients. The 52-year-old doctor lost her private practice this past May. She's now a salaried employee for a federally funded clinic for the poor. 4. “If you become too much of a financial drain, I have ways to make you walk.” Some doctors head off the problem by saying they don't treat a certain type of (read expensive) patient. Dr. Murray recalls the mothers who brought their triplets to her, complaining they couldn't find another pediatrician who treated multiples. But sometimes the doctor already has a patient before he develops diabetes or cancer, or contracts AIDS. For those situations, there's " turf and surf, " says a Texas lawyer representing seven patients who claim their health-care group discriminated against them because of their disabilities — illnesses like cancer, rheumatoid arthritis and heart problems. Doctors use tactics to grind unwanted patients into the turf, then surf them out to other doctors, says attorney J. Provan, himself disabled from a bout with polio at age five. In a lawsuit and separate complaint to the U.S. Department of Justice, Provan's clients say they were left alone in exam rooms for more than an hour, forced to come to the office to pick up prescriptions that had been phoned in to their pharmacists before and made to wait inordinately long periods to get an appointment. The San clinic involved denies their claims, as well as those of a former doctor who's also a plaintiff in the case. The doctor alleges the medical group fired him because he attracted disabled patients, then refused to cut corners on their care. Which brings us to... 5. “If I treat you too aggressively, I could get kicked out of the HMO.” Those contracts doctors sign with HMOs expire every one or two years. Plus, many have clauses allowing the HMO to terminate them without cause. A doctor with many contracts doesn't have to worry about losing one. But in areas where one HMO is dominant, a physician can watch his practice — and income — shrivel if the HMO deselects him. 6. “HMOs have sophisticated computer programs that let them track exactly how much my patient care is costing them. And they let me know.” Many doctors receive monthly report cards from HMOs they do business with, pointing out how much care they ordered for each patient, or spent for hospital stays, tests and specialists. Those who rack up more than the average — or more than some predetermined target — may get a call from the HMO. Or maybe they'll get pinched by the methods described above. 7. “Ordering expensive treatments for you could tie me and my staff up on the phone for hours with your HMO to get approval.” Dr. Peeno used to be on the receiving end of such calls. Working as a medical reviewer for giant Humana, she admits she looked for reasons to reject coverage. After years of turning down treatments — including a heart transplant for a Nevada man who later died — she now works as head ethics consultant at the University of Louisville Hospital and as a paid consultant for Boies, a lawyer better known for representing the government in its antitrust suit against Microsoft, but who's fast gaining a reputation for suing HMOs as well. Dr. Peeno remembers the early days of HMOs when doctors " would rant and rave and call me names. They were much more strongly patient advocates than they are now, " she says. Docs " became slowly compliant out of fatigue and utility. " 8. “You might rate less of my time if you're with one of those penny-pinching HMOs.” Kenna Nevill, a 45-year-old Dallas woman, remembers asking her doctor to call her after office hours with a test result she was worried about, and being struck by his response. " He said, 'You know, I wouldn't do that for my HMO patients. But I'll do it for you.' " She had recently switched from an HMO to a PPO, or preferred provider organization. " I remember feeling like a second-class patient with an HMO. " How conscious is your doctor of the kind of medical coverage you have when he sits across from you? The Texas doctor who treated Dudley said each of his patients' charts had a large stamp on the front indicating HMO, PPO or old-fashioned indemnity-type coverage. 9. “The drug I prescribe may not be the best one for you — but it's what your HMO will cover.” HMOs give doctors lists of the drugs they want used. And those lists can change in the middle of a patient's treatment, says Dr. Joe Cunningham, an internist in Waco, Texas. That can mean a drug that's working might be replaced by one that won't, at least until the HMO can be convinced the more expensive medication is necessary. While this may not pose much of a problem for most patients, for those with life-threatening conditions — like seizures — it's potentially fatal, says Dr. Cunningham. 10. “If you have to go to the hospital, I may turn your care over to a doctor who works directly for the HMO.” The use of doctors called hospitalists to manage patients once they're in the hospital began in the early '90s, says Dr. Peeno. These specialists have even more incentive to deny you admission or hustle you out. They're on the payroll of the HMO and, explains Peeno, " It doesn't take anybody with much sense to figure out where the incentives are there. " Of course, it's naive to think that health care has ever been free of financial considerations. Under the old fee-for-service system, doctors had an incentive to provide more — perhaps harmful — care, says Dr. M. Cutler, chief medical officer with the American Association of Health Plans, a trade organization representing managed-care plans. HMO incentives, he argues, are designed to " encourage physicians to think more critically about what it is that we do and to avoid waste — not to limit care. " Adds Dr. Reardon, past president of the American Medical Association, " I think a doctor generally does what is right for the patient and if it hurts his income, he just absorbs that. " But Dr. Cunningham, who worked on a Texas task force that studied such incentives, isn't sure that is always the case. " You don't want to walk in as a patient to a physician who is thinking, 'You know, I've spent all my allocation for this month.' " << CONSUMER ACTION ARCHIVE Re: Ozone & diabetes > >, > >Here are some articles: > >http://www.healthzone.com/healthnotes/Herb/Gymnema.htm >http://www.nutrimart.com/Bulk/Description/gymnema_sylvestre.htm > >And you can buy it here: > >www.drugstore.com > >Or, do a search on it. I got 3290 hits in that name. > >jim > > > wrote: >> >> saul, where can I get this herb Gymnema sylvestre? >> susan > >----- >For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is >always wrong -- H.L. Mencken > >jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience >http://www.entrance.to/poetry > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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