hypothyroidism

[Guest guest]

Hi Scout, this is very good to know. The lowest my TSH has been is

5.0. But it has been as high as 6.8. I've also told both doctors

that my mother and grandmother are being treated for hypothyroidsm,

not to mention, both have stated my thyroid is slightly larger than

normal by touch. But as long as the lab results show I'm only a few

points elevated no treatment is prescribed.

I'm not crazy about meds, so was somewhat happy they didn't push

meds, but now I'm wondering about that. Most of the time the doctors

give you that " hypochondriac " stare when you show concern that

you're a few points above the " normal " range. I wouldn't be

surprised if those few points effect me, because my body is very

sensitive to the slighest changes of anything.

The first doctor was an endocrinologist in his late 60's with a

terrible bedside manner, who didn't seem interested in the " person "

just the lab results. He told me to see a family practicioner for my

complaints. So I did, and she was had been practicing 8 years, so

I'm wondering how much experience she has had. Both blew off my

results and blamed the fatigue digestive problems ect ect on my

weight gain. I kept telling them that although I believe that's

true, the effort it takes me to exercise just seems more difficult

than it should even with the weight.

I may look for a new endocrinologist that has more experience with

hypothyroidsm just to be on the safe side. Hopefully the first two

doctors were correct and I don't need meds.

In , " sothicscout "

<sothicscout@y...> wrote:

>

> I tested a few point higher that 'normal' for years and was always

> told that I was a 'little high' but not high enough to treat. It

> wasn't until my GP went to a lecture by an endocrinologist who is

up

> on the latest standards of treatments (the 'normal' ranges are

> changing now) that I got treatment, and my TSH at that point WAS in

> the normal range. The normal ranges for most labs range from .5 to

> 5.0 TSH, and I was at 4.57 TSH. The 'new normal' range for TSH is

now

> considered to be .3 to 3.0 TSH, with most women feeling best or

most

> normal (heh, 'most normal'- love that phrase) around 1.0 TSH,

which

> is what got my GP all excited about treating me since I was higher

> than the 'new normal'..

>

> But hypothryoidism is a HIGHLY INDIVIDUAL disease, and it's also a

> variable thing like all hormones are. Your TSH values can and will

> change day to day, hour to hour even. You really do have to take

into

> account not just the blood test values, but every other sympton you

> may have, and evaluate on that basis.

>

> I was very resistant to they idea of taking a pill for the rest of

my

> life, but that was because I had all sorts of things foisted on my

> during the last eight years for treatment of Rheumatoid

Arthritis. I

> didn't want to be taking a pill for something that (I thought)

wasn't

> even bothering me - I wanted the RA to be cured. It's ironic that

> only upon treating the thing I thought didn't bother me revealed

that

> I don't have RA after all!

>

> Um, one other clue. My Mum was diagnosed with hypothryoidism

> (Hashimoto's) years and years ago. It should have been a clue to

me

> (and my doctors!) as it tends to run in families. You might want

to

> look at your family history, i.e. not only your Mum, but aunts,

> sisters, cousins as well. If anyone of them are hypo it increases

the

> odds for you.

>

> Laslty, although I would never urge anyone to take meds

unnecessarily,

> I want to make it really clear that hypothyroidism is a disease

that

> does need treatment. It's not just a minor matter of bad skin and

> inability to lose weight - it's got very serious consequences if

left

> untreated.

>

> And, oh, if you are hypo and you get treatment, the quality of

life on

> treatment is astonishingly, astoundingly, resoundingly better.

>

> Scout

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > C1W4D3........I still don't " see " any changes, but I

just " feel "

> > SO

> > > MUCH BETTER. I was having a lot of digestion " issues " . Those

are

> > > gone now. I just re-read the posts in the FILES section,

> > regarding

> > > women who did not see much results until the last four weeks

of

> > > their challenges, so I'm re-motivated and I'm gonna stay with

it.

> > >

> > > I am wondering if anyone " out there " has Hypothyroidism and if

you

> > > can tell me about your experience with that and BFL. I was

> > > diagnosed this past spring, but I've not yet pursued any

hormone

> > > therapy. Ugh! I just really don't want to! My thought is

that I

> > > would try to lose 40 pounds and get back into better cardio

and

> > > physical shape.....then see what the blood tests reveal. But,

now

> > > I'm a little concerned that maybe my sucess with BFL may be

less

> > > than great, if my thyroid is working against me.

> > >

> > > I'd LOVE it if I could hear about some others' experiences. I

> > live

> > > in a remote location that only has a very small clinic - no

> > > specialists. I will have to fly to town to see a specialist

when

> > > I'm ready to start any kind of on-going medication. Not that

I'm

> > > unwilling to do this, but I want to hear from some other women

> > first.

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry, I'm not sure who you message was for, but I'm going take

this advice. I may have to go outside my medical plan to find a

decent endocrinologist.

>

> Hi! As someone who has had thyroid problems forever, I would

encourage

> you to find another doctor. I finally have an endocrinologist who

not

> only looks at labs, she looks at how I feel. I went through a

long

> period where I was gaining wt for no reason and was very fatigued -

my

> internal med doc said I was within a normal range for my TSH.

> Well, " normal " for me can be different than " normal " for you. I

feel

> so much better now....listen to your body. I am now 38 weeks

pregnant

> and can't wait to get back to BFL - my body needs major work!

>

> Terri

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Scout, we must have seen the same doctors. lol Also, if you're on

certain employer group plans such as HMO's they will definitely give

you the run around. I've heard rumors that certain HMO physicains

are actually given incentives not to follow up on certain problems

if it could actually take years to " prove " it is what it is. This I

suppose is an attempt to save the company money. Has anyone else

heard this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > > C1W4D3........I still don't " see " any changes, but I

> > just " feel "

> > > > SO

> > > > > MUCH BETTER. I was having a lot of digestion " issues " .

Those

> > are

> > > > > gone now. I just re-read the posts in the FILES section,

> > > > regarding

> > > > > women who did not see much results until the last four

weeks

> > of

> > > > > their challenges, so I'm re-motivated and I'm gonna stay

with

> > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am wondering if anyone " out there " has Hypothyroidism

and if

> > you

> > > > > can tell me about your experience with that and BFL. I

was

> > > > > diagnosed this past spring, but I've not yet pursued any

> > hormone

> > > > > therapy. Ugh! I just really don't want to! My thought

is

> > that I

> > > > > would try to lose 40 pounds and get back into better

cardio

> > and

> > > > > physical shape.....then see what the blood tests reveal.

But,

> > now

> > > > > I'm a little concerned that maybe my sucess with BFL may

be

> > less

> > > > > than great, if my thyroid is working against me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'd LOVE it if I could hear about some others'

experiences. I

> > > > live

> > > > > in a remote location that only has a very small clinic -

no

> > > > > specialists. I will have to fly to town to see a

specialist

> > when

> > > > > I'm ready to start any kind of on-going medication. Not

that

> > I'm

> > > > > unwilling to do this, but I want to hear from some other

women

> > > > first.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nel, I'm in Canada so I don't have anything to do with HMOs, but

we've probably seen the same breed of doctor anyway. LOL I think,

doctors are trained the same way throughout North America and

therefore we tend to run into many of the same attitudes.

I am so eternally grateful to the Internet when it comes to medical

information because you can educate yourself and become your own

'second opinion' as it were, when told you have 'condition X'. Mind,

there's a ton of misinformation on the Net as well and you have to be

careful, but at least you can really research what you have and become

an informed consumer of the medicine/treatments you are offered for

your illnesses and injuries.

Scout.

>

> Hi Scout, we must have seen the same doctors. lol Also, if you're on

> certain employer group plans such as HMO's they will definitely give

> you the run around. I've heard rumors that certain HMO physicains

> are actually given incentives not to follow up on certain problems

> if it could actually take years to " prove " it is what it is. This I

> suppose is an attempt to save the company money. Has anyone else

> heard this?

[Guest guest]

Hi Scout, I'm also thankful for the internet. I've learned so much,

and grown in many ways because of the information available on

here.

> >

> > Hi Scout, we must have seen the same doctors. lol Also, if

you're on

> > certain employer group plans such as HMO's they will definitely

give

> > you the run around. I've heard rumors that certain HMO

physicains

> > are actually given incentives not to follow up on certain

problems

> > if it could actually take years to " prove " it is what it is.

This I

> > suppose is an attempt to save the company money. Has anyone else

> > heard this?

>

[Guest guest]

> I didn't know that there were different> ranges for pediatric patients and I don't think my pediatrician knows this> either. Where can I get these ranges?Sharon, I found these on the internet:for free T3:http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/ri009800.htmfor free T4 and other stuff try this:http://www.shmc.org/var/documents/lab/Pediatric%20Normals%20Update.pdfHope it's helpful...

> I didn't know that there were different

> ranges for pediatric patients and I don't think my pediatrician knows this

> either. Where can I get these ranges?

Sharon, I found these on the internet:

for free T3:

http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/ri009800.htm

for free T4 and other stuff try this:

http://www.shmc.org/var/documents/lab/Pediatric%20Normals%20Update.pdf

Hope it's helpful...

Valentina

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mandi,

I didn't see the original question, so I don't know if this information is relevant, but had a thyroid panel done via IWDL, and her T3 was very high, TSH normal and T3:T4 ratio very low. I received this reply from Mark Schauss. Even if it's not relevant to Sharon's original question, it's still quite interesting.

Diane,One of the areas of my recent research is the effect of environmentalsolvents on the endocrine system. There is ample evidence that toxins likebenzene, toluene, xylene, and styrene can affect the functioning of thethyroid as well as adrenals, hypothalamus, and pancrease. A recent paper inEnvironmental Health Perspectives also implicates arsenic and chromium inelevated 8-OHdG.Her results do smack of toxicity as there may be links between theelevations in parasites and bacteria are a direct result of the toxicity.Hope this helps.Mark Schausswww.carbonbased.com-----Original Message-----From: labtestingdiscussions [mailto:labtestingdiscussions ] On Behalf Of Diane McGregorSent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:42 PMlabtestingdiscussions Subject: [labtestingdiscussions] elevated free T3My daughter (PDD-NOS) has had some recent tests done, which show her free T3elevated to 9.5 (ref 2.8 - 6.5), and free T4:free T3 ratio was low, 1.93(ref 3.0 - 5.0). The rest of her thyroid panel was within normal limits. Herorganix showed high fumerate and high 8-OHdG (excess oxidative damage) andlow vanilmandellate (3.1), which could possibly indicate adrenal burnout. Italso indicated candida and bacterial overgrowth. She has had tests forpremature adrenarche as she has been developing pubic hair since she was 7(she is now 10 years old) and also for rapid weight gain (she weighs135lbs). Her symptoms, other than the weight gain are: intolerance to heatand sweating, lack of energy, aggression (at times), irritability andanxiety. Her CSAP test showed parasites (dientamoeba fragilis trophs), gammastrep and staph aureus imbalances, elevated Lysozyme (617) and a moderateamount of vegetable fibres (though she does eat quickly). Her behaviour hasrecently got so bad at school that I have been told that any other childwould have been suspended by now. I am afraid that she is a complete mysteryand would really appreciate any advice. TIA,Diane

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> I didn't know that there were different> ranges for pediatric patients and I don't think my pediatrician knows this> either. Where can I get these ranges?Sharon, I found these on the internet:for free T3:http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/ri009800.htmfor free T4 and other stuff try this:http://www.shmc.org/var/documents/lab/Pediatric%20Normals%20Update.pdfHope it's helpful...

[Guest guest]

I noticed a discussion about this and cauliflower. I was just diagnosed and

started a med today. Should I be avoiding certain foods? Can anyone point me to

a list. We have lots of smoothies here and I certainly don't want to use some

thing that will make me worse and not better.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Heeeey Jaayimee - :-)

Here is a link - My reaction happened from spinach. Here is a list of

goitergenic foods:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47

>

> I noticed a discussion about this and cauliflower. I was just diagnosed and

started a med today. Should I be avoiding certain foods? Can anyone point me to

a list. We have lots of smoothies here and I certainly don't want to use some

thing that will make me worse and not better.

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

sad that all the green veggies that are so good for us and so highly recommended

that we increase our consumption of are a hazard for those of us that are

hypo.....

annette

> >

> > I noticed a discussion about this and cauliflower. I was just diagnosed and

started a med today. Should I be avoiding certain foods? Can anyone point me to

a list. We have lots of smoothies here and I certainly don't want to use some

thing that will make me worse and not better.

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

SO true! I often get frustrated that I can't consume all the greens, fruits and veggies that I want, while many people are consuming garbage foods! I'm not asking for much, lol. However, there are plenty of yummy goodies that can be made in the Vitamix, no matter what your limitations are.Sent from my iPadOn Mar 15, 2012, at 11:51 AM, "movieZombie" <ammello@...> wrote:

sad that all the green veggies that are so good for us and so highly recommended that we increase our consumption of are a hazard for those of us that are hypo.....

annette

> >

> > I noticed a discussion about this and cauliflower. I was just diagnosed and started a med today. Should I be avoiding certain foods? Can anyone point me to a list. We have lots of smoothies here and I certainly don't want to use some thing that will make me worse and not better.

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

=

[Guest guest]

I replied to this on the "off topic" vitamix group as I was requested to redirect the thyroid discussion to that list.

Thanks,My Favorite Video for My Little One!

On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:22 AM, jaayimee wrote:

I noticed a discussion about this and cauliflower. I was just diagnosed and started a med today. Should I be avoiding certain foods? Can anyone point me to a list. We have lots of smoothies here and I certainly don't want to use some thing that will make me worse and not better.

Thanks,