Re: Re: Contamination.info

[Guest guest]

what i have been told is that there will always be a small amount ,,, it is the

problem of mataining a low level of mold toxins,,, also mold is in them already

where they are assembled and the country they are being shipped from, and the

trucking firm that carried the boxes ,,,, and then the store itself ,,, all one

place or another picking up spores ,,,, also some of the spores that are being

found are not normally native to the us but comming in from oerseas thus this is

why we are..getting so sick,,,,,rose

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Has anyone tried disassembling the

computer completely, and then cleaning

off the computer components with Q-tips and 91% rubbing alcohol? (and

gloves, of course)

I have several computers and I am not able to use three of them now.

(nomatter how much I try to filter the intake and exhaust on the fans, mold

gets in there.)

There is no way I am going to throw them away.. (couldn't afford to replace

them now)

I have to figure out a way to decontaminate them. Total dissassembly (down

to the separate component level) seems like the only option.. The fans may

need to be completely replaced.. and the heatsinks will need some srious

cleaning in some kind of spray situation.. but I think it is doable..

(although a major pain in the neck, as it looks like it would be a multi-day

job disasembling, then washing everything, then drying - in a clean

environment, then reassembling.)

A big caution to everyone here.. DONT LET YOUR COMPUTER ANYWHERE NEAR

IONIZERS/'ozone generators' - without their cases on - (and maybe even

with) as they will fry - invisibly - delicate components like CPU and memory

chips..

A thought.. Some newer computers and motherboards offer an interesting new

option.. noiseless, fanless operation.. In fact, many computers can run

without fans *if you underclock them*

That means running the computer clock speed *slower* than its designed for

by at least 25%

(Thats CPU speed - You can set the CPU clock speed in the BIOS, so for

example, a 2 GHz CPU might be able to be *under*clocked to 1.5 GHz and run

without a fan. It would also take less power at that speed, perhaps enabling

the power supply fan to also be turned off. If you are interested in this,

do some research - don't try this yourself unless you know what you are

doing, you could easily fry your CPU - blow out your computer's brain - if

you screw up!)

When you do that, the CPU may be able to run without the fan on, which would

reduce the tendancy of the computer to collect dust.

There is a whole new genre of computers, in fact, that are designed to run

without fans, instead they have big fins on the outside, which, although

they do collect dust, are external and relatively easily washable..(compared

to the inside)

Do a search on the phrases " silent pc " or " mini-itx " or " fanless computer "

you'll get the idea..

Here's a picture of one:

http://news.thomasnet.com/images/large/2005/02/460211.jpg

[Guest guest]

You can also vent the computer fan outside. Connect a dryer vent type

hose to the fan exhaust. For monitors or other parts with no fan,

there are special boxes made for them that include a fan to vent the

box to the outside.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> what i have been told is that there will always be a small amount ,,,

> it is the problem of mataining a low level of mold toxins,,, also mold

> is in them already where they are assembled and the country they are

> being shipped from, and the trucking firm that carried the boxes ,,,,

> and then the store itself ,,, all one place or another picking up

> spores ,,,, also some of the spores that are being found are not

> normally native to the us but comming in from oerseas thus this is why

> we are..getting so sick,,,,,rose LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

> wrote: Has anyone tried disassembling the computer completely, and

> then cleaning off the computer components with Q-tips and 91% rubbing

> alcohol? (and gloves, of course)

>

> I have several computers and I am not able to use three of them now.

> (nomatter how much I try to filter the intake and exhaust on the fans,

> mold gets in there.)

>

> There is no way I am going to throw them away.. (couldn't afford to

> replace them now)

>

> I have to figure out a way to decontaminate them. Total dissassembly

> (down to the separate component level) seems like the only option..

> The fans may need to be completely replaced.. and the heatsinks will

> need some srious cleaning in some kind of spray situation.. but I

> think it is doable.. (although a major pain in the neck, as it looks

> like it would be a multi-day job disasembling, then washing

> everything, then drying - in a clean environment, then reassembling.)

>

> A big caution to everyone here.. DONT LET YOUR COMPUTER ANYWHERE NEAR

> IONIZERS/'ozone generators' - without their cases on - (and maybe

> even with) as they will fry - invisibly - delicate components like CPU

> and memory chips..

>

> A thought.. Some newer computers and motherboards offer an interesting

> new option.. noiseless, fanless operation.. In fact, many computers

> can run without fans *if you underclock them*

>

> That means running the computer clock speed *slower* than its designed

> for by at least 25%

>

> (Thats CPU speed - You can set the CPU clock speed in the BIOS, so for

> example, a 2 GHz CPU might be able to be *under*clocked to 1.5 GHz and

> run without a fan. It would also take less power at that speed,

> perhaps enabling the power supply fan to also be turned off. If you

> are interested in this, do some research - don't try this yourself

> unless you know what you are doing, you could easily fry your CPU -

> blow out your computer's brain - if you screw up!)

>

> When you do that, the CPU may be able to run without the fan on, which

> would reduce the tendancy of the computer to collect dust.

>

> There is a whole new genre of computers, in fact, that are designed to

> run without fans, instead they have big fins on the outside, which,

> although they do collect dust, are external and relatively easily

> washable..(compared to the inside)

>

> Do a search on the phrases " silent pc " or " mini-itx " or " fanless

> computer " you'll get the idea..

>

> Here's a picture of one:

> http://news.thomasnet.com/images/large/2005/02/460211.jpg

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just food for thought, www.allelectronics.com has VERY cheap replacement fans,

heat sinks etc. Great place to order from.

r tk <rose_t_koubek@...> wrote:

what i have been told is that there will always be a small amount ,,, it is the

problem of mataining a low level of mold toxins,,, also mold is in them already

where they are assembled and the country they are being shipped from, and the

trucking firm that carried the boxes ,,,, and then the store itself ,,, all one

place or another picking up spores ,,,, also some of the spores that are being

found are not normally native to the us but comming in from oerseas thus this is

why we are..getting so sick,,,,,rose

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Has anyone tried disassembling the

computer completely, and then cleaning

off the computer components with Q-tips and 91% rubbing alcohol? (and

gloves, of course)

I have several computers and I am not able to use three of them now.

(nomatter how much I try to filter the intake and exhaust on the fans, mold

gets in there.)

There is no way I am going to throw them away.. (couldn't afford to replace

them now)

I have to figure out a way to decontaminate them. Total dissassembly (down

to the separate component level) seems like the only option.. The fans may

need to be completely replaced.. and the heatsinks will need some srious

cleaning in some kind of spray situation.. but I think it is doable..

(although a major pain in the neck, as it looks like it would be a multi-day

job disasembling, then washing everything, then drying - in a clean

environment, then reassembling.)

A big caution to everyone here.. DONT LET YOUR COMPUTER ANYWHERE NEAR

IONIZERS/'ozone generators' - without their cases on - (and maybe even

with) as they will fry - invisibly - delicate components like CPU and memory

chips..

A thought.. Some newer computers and motherboards offer an interesting new

option.. noiseless, fanless operation.. In fact, many computers can run

without fans *if you underclock them*

That means running the computer clock speed *slower* than its designed for

by at least 25%

(Thats CPU speed - You can set the CPU clock speed in the BIOS, so for

example, a 2 GHz CPU might be able to be *under*clocked to 1.5 GHz and run

without a fan. It would also take less power at that speed, perhaps enabling

the power supply fan to also be turned off. If you are interested in this,

do some research - don't try this yourself unless you know what you are

doing, you could easily fry your CPU - blow out your computer's brain - if

you screw up!)

When you do that, the CPU may be able to run without the fan on, which would

reduce the tendancy of the computer to collect dust.

There is a whole new genre of computers, in fact, that are designed to run

without fans, instead they have big fins on the outside, which, although

they do collect dust, are external and relatively easily washable..(compared

to the inside)

Do a search on the phrases " silent pc " or " mini-itx " or " fanless computer "

you'll get the idea..

Here's a picture of one:

http://news.thomasnet.com/images/large/2005/02/460211.jpg

[Guest guest]

Yes Jules, it makes alot of sence. All be it a pain in the rear, I like carls

idea and may try that myself as far as venting it outside.

julesblucky <julesblucky@...> wrote: My experience is telling me that

it's not necessarily just what's

coming out of the vent, but perhaps the electrical charge of the

computer activates the mycotoxins, to the point that I react to the

computer in general. Does this make sense?

Has anyone tried disassembling the computer completely,

and

> > then cleaning off the computer components with Q-tips and 91%

rubbing

> > alcohol? (and gloves, of course)

> >

> > I have several computers and I am not able to use three of them

now.

> > (nomatter how much I try to filter the intake and exhaust on the

fans,

> > mold gets in there.)

> >

> > There is no way I am going to throw them away.. (couldn't afford

to

> > replace them now)

> >

> > I have to figure out a way to decontaminate them. Total

dissassembly

> > (down to the separate component level) seems like the only

option..

> > The fans may need to be completely replaced.. and the heatsinks

will

> > need some srious cleaning in some kind of spray situation.. but I

> > think it is doable.. (although a major pain in the neck, as it

looks

> > like it would be a multi-day job disasembling, then washing

> > everything, then drying - in a clean environment, then

reassembling.)

> >

> > A big caution to everyone here.. DONT LET YOUR COMPUTER ANYWHERE

NEAR

> > IONIZERS/'ozone generators' - without their cases on - (and

maybe

> > even with) as they will fry - invisibly - delicate components

like CPU

> > and memory chips..

> >

> > A thought.. Some newer computers and motherboards offer an

interesting

> > new option.. noiseless, fanless operation.. In fact, many

computers

> > can run without fans *if you underclock them*

> >

> > That means running the computer clock speed *slower* than its

designed

> > for by at least 25%

> >

> > (Thats CPU speed - You can set the CPU clock speed in the BIOS,

so for

> > example, a 2 GHz CPU might be able to be *under*clocked to 1.5

GHz and

> > run without a fan. It would also take less power at that speed,

> > perhaps enabling the power supply fan to also be turned off. If

you

> > are interested in this, do some research - don't try this

yourself

> > unless you know what you are doing, you could easily fry your

CPU -

> > blow out your computer's brain - if you screw up!)

> >

> > When you do that, the CPU may be able to run without the fan on,

which

> > would reduce the tendancy of the computer to collect dust.

> >

> > There is a whole new genre of computers, in fact, that are

designed to

> > run without fans, instead they have big fins on the outside,

which,

> > although they do collect dust, are external and relatively easily

> > washable..(compared to the inside)

> >

> > Do a search on the phrases " silent pc " or " mini-itx " or " fanless

> > computer " you'll get the idea..

> >

> > Here's a picture of one:

> > http://news.thomasnet.com/images/large/2005/02/460211.jpg

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That sounds graet , I am so happy for you. I just left my rental, can't

even get ahold of the landlord since he got the test results....

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: -Please - I only hope that

years down the line I am accused of

the same thing, as I try and explain things to sick people on the

group- your info has been extremely usefull to me, if I had found

the group before I moved into my rental, I could have saved myself

allot of illness. And you are the only person who gave me hope of

recovering my belongings and art work. The only thing we have to

offer people here is what has worked for us, and what we have heard

from experts. From deep inside the well of despair- those outside

might seem to be crowing- but because we cannot go and phisically

help each person- what can we do but talk- talk- and say the same

things over and over- without the rays of hope you gave me last year-

I would surely be in a dark place. Instead I am healthier than i

have been in 14 years

-- In , " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

>

> " julesblucky " wrote:

> >

> > My experience is telling me that it's not necessarily just

what's

> > coming out of the vent, but perhaps the electrical charge of the

> > computer activates the mycotoxins, to the point that I react to

the

> computer in general. Does this make sense?

> >

>

> Yes. Prof Harriet Amman warned me of this effect in '98 and

described

> it as the primary effect of electrostatic oxidation of spores

> attracted to the intense magnetic field.

> My insistence that I have been operating with a different

perspective

> that has given me a better level of recovery has resulted in

> assertions of unacceptible egotism.

> I would appreciate it if anyone can examine my old messages and

give

> me an example of this.

> From my point of view, I have only been offering information from

the

> best sources available - which has often been " challenging " and

> contrary to conventional concepts.

> -

>

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