Newbie questions

[Guest guest]

Quiet and undisturbed? But how can I hover and check it multiple

times a day that way? I kept wanting to stir it to make it ferment

faster, like kefir.<L> I guess I should move it from the kitchen

island, so I don't walk by it ALL the time.

I tested one of my bottles this morning (burping them), it's a little

mellower. Oh dear, I'm so impatient!

-Jenn

>

> Hi Jenn....by five days you ought to have seen at least the

beginnings of a

> SCOBY. On your next brew be sure that where you place your brew is

quiet and

> undisturbed. If your brewing container is in an area where it gets

jostled

> or the surface vibrates, this might prevent a SCOBY from forming.

>

> In a healthy culture there should be SCOBY formation.

>

> See Len Porzio's advice:

>

> http://www.geocities.com/kombucha_balance/#No%20SCOBY

>

[Guest guest]

I've read in multiple places that it is in fact beneficial to the brew

to stir it since the first ferment is an aerobic and entirely depends

on the presence of oxygen. The only downfall is an ugly malformed

scoby, albeit a healthy one. I get all anxious about my KT as well,

and would peak in every day and disturb the scoby so that I could

taste the tea. At first, I thought I was doing a bad thing, but I

read again that it is beneficial to keep the top of the scoby wet with

KT to prevent mold and such. If you decide to stir and dunk, your

scoby may form in layers and be darker colored. I'm no expert as I've

only brewed two batches...this is just what I have read!

Kurt

> >

> > Hi Jenn....by five days you ought to have seen at least the

> beginnings of a

> > SCOBY. On your next brew be sure that where you place your brew is

> quiet and

> > undisturbed. If your brewing container is in an area where it gets

> jostled

> > or the surface vibrates, this might prevent a SCOBY from forming.

> >

> > In a healthy culture there should be SCOBY formation.

> >

> > See Len Porzio's advice:

> >

> > http://www.geocities.com/kombucha_balance/#No%20SCOBY

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kurt, if you would, please cite those multiple places where you read that

the brew should be stirred. Much appreciated. :-)

While it is true that the first part of the first fermentation process is

aerobic, the second part of the first fermentation process, where the yeasts

get involved is anaerobic. The new SCOBY sealing the vessel accomplishes

providing the right environment for the yeasts to kick in.

Note that the second part of the process is part of the first ferment and

entirely different from secondary fermentation which takes place after

decanting and bottling.

By stirring, jostling, etc, the natural rhythm of the fermentation process

is disturbed and also the growth and balance of the bacteria to yeast parts

of the culture is disturbed. When the balance is off, all kinds of peculiar

things can happen. Once again, I recommend reading Len Porzio's Balancing

Act site for an idea of what the downfalls can be.

Here's to properly, and patiently, brewed Kombucha!! : - ))

Gayle

Re: Newbie questions

> I've read in multiple places that it is in fact beneficial to the brew

> to stir it since the first ferment is an aerobic and entirely depends

> on the presence of oxygen. The only downfall is an ugly malformed

> scoby, albeit a healthy one. I get all anxious about my KT as well,

> and would peak in every day and disturb the scoby so that I could

> taste the tea. At first, I thought I was doing a bad thing, but I

> read again that it is beneficial to keep the top of the scoby wet with

> KT to prevent mold and such. If you decide to stir and dunk, your

> scoby may form in layers and be darker colored. I'm no expert as I've

> only brewed two batches...this is just what I have read!

>

> Kurt

>

>

>> >

>> > Hi Jenn....by five days you ought to have seen at least the

>> beginnings of a

>> > SCOBY. On your next brew be sure that where you place your brew is

>> quiet and

>> > undisturbed. If your brewing container is in an area where it gets

>> jostled

>> > or the surface vibrates, this might prevent a SCOBY from forming.

>> >

>> > In a healthy culture there should be SCOBY formation.

>> >

>> > See Len Porzio's advice:

>> >

>> > http://www.geocities.com/kombucha_balance/#No%20SCOBY

[Guest guest]

I know the feeling, Jenn! Like you said, it would probably be a good idea to

move it somewhere where you can't see it all the time, like a closet or

something. Patience, patience. After the novelty wears off, it won't be so bad.

If you're like me though, you'll never stop liking it!

Rodrick

Re: Newbie questions

Quiet and undisturbed? But how can I hover and check it multiple

times a day that way? I kept wanting to stir it to make it ferment

faster, like kefir.<L> I guess I should move it from the kitchen

island, so I don't walk by it ALL the time.

I tested one of my bottles this morning (burping them), it's a little

mellower. Oh dear, I'm so impatient!

-Jenn

[Guest guest]

Gayle, I thought the entire first ferment was aerobic hence the need to used

paper towel/t-shirt to allow oxygen in.  I check my KT not by using a straw as

I've heard is the way to do it, but by pooring some into a glass.  I do disturb

the SCOBY and sometimes get different layers to the new baby, but I haven't

noticed any problems with the KT in general.  My question is: by checking the KT

that way and breaking the seal that the SCOBY has formed could I be throwing off

the fermentation process? 

[Guest guest]

There seems to be mixed opinions on this. I disturb mine quite a bit

and my scoby forms in layers as well, but my brew seems to be doing

perfectly.

Kurt

>

> Gayle, I thought the entire first ferment was aerobic hence the need

to used paper towel/t-shirt to allow oxygen in.  I check my KT not by

using a straw as I've heard is the way to do it, but by pooring some

into a glass.  I do disturb the SCOBY and sometimes get different

layers to the new baby, but I haven't noticed any problems with the KT

in general.  My question is: by checking the KT that way and breaking

the seal that the SCOBY has formed could I be throwing off the

fermentation process? 

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

...it is not so much that one part of the first fermentation process

is aerobic (respiration) and another part anaerobic (fermentation) but there

are microflora of both types in the culture and each take their turn in the

process.

You put the ingredients together and leave it and it does its thing

perfectly most of the time.

IMO a SCOBY is supposed to form. If one is disrupting the process so that a

SCOBY does not form I would question what else that disruption might be

having at the microbe level.

There are a lot of components to a Kombucha brew, it is complex... sucrose

gets broken down, different sugars result, alcohol is formed, alcohol is

consumed and acids are formed. That is putting it very simply.

I simply prefer to not tinker overmuch with the process.

However, anyone who wants to can do so! There are no KT police that are

going to come around and slap any wrists.

Somewhere down the line, tho', one may ask oneself why this is happening or

that is not.....an imbalance occurs over time, not after just one brew.

IMHO.

Gayle

Re: Newbie questions

Gayle, I thought the entire first ferment was aerobic hence the need to used

paper towel/t-shirt to allow oxygen in. I check my KT not by using a straw

as I've heard is the way to do it, but by pooring some into a glass. I do

disturb the SCOBY and sometimes get different layers to the new baby, but I

haven't noticed any problems with the KT in general. My question is: by

checking the KT that way and breaking the seal that the SCOBY has formed

could I be throwing off the fermentation process?

[Guest guest]

Wes .... fatal error .... No location.

:¬)

Wes wrote:

> First off, I need SCOBY, so if anyone needs to get rid of a few, I'd

appreciate it.

>

Which continent are you on, if US I can't help easily from UK etc.

> Also, I got to wondering.. is it feasible to use exclusively 100% white,

green, or black tea?

>

The main criterion, so far as I'm aware (Gurus *may* correct), so long

as a percentage of your brew (Opinions differ over %) is from the

genuine Tea Plant camelia sinensis, then you can use, virtually *any*

tea your little heart desires. People's opinions on this one also differ

in that some prefer/find better for them different colo(u)rs and white,

green and black all come from C sinensis.

HTH

(UK)

[Guest guest]

In message <gj91gh+3cqmeGroups> you wrote:

>.. concerned that my batch was bad because of some blackish " globs " that

> were in the batch until I read today's posts. Apparently that can be

> normal??

Yes, what you have here is just ooglies, which are actually a sign of a

tasty and efficacious brew:-)

> The mother sank to the bottom when I put it in the liquid. Is that normal?

Absolutely. Mothers are free where they want to stay, and bottom is fine!

>

> Today is day 8 & the baby is quite thin & opaque white. Also normal?

Yes, perfectly!

> It has been cold here & I have it in the water heater closet where it

> is warmer & draft free. How long should the process take? How will I

> know for sure when it is done?

The fermentation process can take anything from 5 days to 3 weeks ;-)

You will have to learn from your own brew when the KT is ready.

Try it gently (with a straw) best 7 days into the process. The KT is ready

when it tastes good to you: cidery, maybe a bit bubbly. When you like it

then it is time to bottle. Should not be very sweet any more, but have

developed a pleasant tartness with just an edge of sweetness.

So, NOW is the time you ought to try your brew and see whether it will

need some more time .....

First brews tend to take longer to brew.

You will find that the taste of your KT will improve with further brewings.

Brewing with 2 or more scobys can help the taste as it increases the

bacterial presence (bacteria are the scoby builders!).

Wishing you much fun and a happy new brewing year,

Margret UK :-)

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[Guest guest]

If this forum is the wrong place to ask this questions, can someone be kind enough to point me some place else where I might be able to find help please ?

From: AH-Kau <fuanak@...>Subject: Newbie questions Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 10:20 PM

Hi everyone,I am a newbie to NF and this group, so if my questions appears naive please don't knock me for asking. I have read about alpha/theta training but still don't feel I understood fully what it entails. Is it a procedure for enhancing alpha and theta frequencies in a person ? Is it done by rewarding myself when alpha reaches a certain artificially chosen threshold as well as theta reaching some other threshold ? Another question concerns cleaning of electrodes. I used the reusable sintered silver chloride type and after each session I wiped off the 10-20 paste with a piece of soft tissue but find the dark coating came off quite quickly. Presumable that is not a good thing as the coating is the silver chloride that gives the electrodes its conductivity ? How else should I clean it without reducing the life of the electrode too drastically ?RegardsFuanak

[Guest guest]

This forum is the right place. People here are usually very generous in trying

to help eachother out.

Sadly enough, I can not help you with answering your questions, since I am a

beginner at NF myself. Hope someone else will help you out. If not, you could

try to repost your question. Good luck!

>

>

> From: AH-Kau <fuanak@...>

> Subject: Newbie questions

>

> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 10:20 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I am a newbie to NF and this group, so if my questions appears naive please

don't knock me for asking.

>

> I have read about alpha/theta training but still don't feel I understood fully

what it entails. Is it a procedure for enhancing alpha and theta frequencies in

a person ? Is it done by rewarding myself when alpha reaches a certain

artificially chosen threshold as well as theta reaching some other threshold ?

>

> Another question concerns cleaning of electrodes. I used the reusable sintered

silver chloride type and after each session I wiped off the 10-20 paste with a

piece of soft tissue but find the dark coating came off quite quickly.

Presumable that is not a good thing as the coating is the silver chloride that

gives the electrodes its conductivity ? How else should I clean it without

reducing the life of the electrode too drastically ?

>

> Regards

> Fuanak

>

[Guest guest]

If you are using the blue disk neurotrodes with the Ag/AgCl center, yes the silver chloride is the outer layer, and yes it does come off quite quickly.  I usually use a neurotrode 12-20 times before switching it, and I don't notice any deterioration in the signal.  The solid silver underneath is an excellent conductor.

If you go to the Messages section of this board ( /messages ), you can search for alpha theta.

Remember that Alpha Theta does not train up alpha or theta.  It trains the brain to move in and out of the 7 Hz crossover state. I

generally use AT every 5th session, so there's no conflict training to reverse the alpha inversion in the parietals--and use alpha theta.  You can train AT at O1/A1 if you want--what should be the highest alpha site

on the brain.Alpha theta is a training designed to take the client to a deep state, and it is not recommended as something you do before doing some other training first.  When your brain is capable of producing alpha and synchronous theta, alpha theta training takes you in an " observer state " down to the entrance to you subconscious mind where you can observe what " comes up " .

Do you have specific questions?Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.com

USA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:20 PM, AH-Kau <fuanak@...> wrote:

I am a newbie to NF and this group, so if my questions appears naive please don't knock me for asking. I have read about alpha/theta training but still don't feel I understood fully what it entails. Is it a procedure for enhancing alpha and theta frequencies in a person ? Is it done by rewarding myself when alpha reaches a certain artificially chosen threshold as well as theta reaching some other threshold ?

Another question concerns cleaning of electrodes. I used the reusable sintered silver chloride type and after each session I wiped off the 10-20 paste with a piece of soft tissue but find the dark coating came off quite quickly. Presumable that is not a good thing as the coating is the silver chloride that gives the electrodes its conductivity ? How else should I clean it without reducing the life of the electrode too drastically ?

Regards

Fuanak

[Guest guest]

Hello to all,

I'm new to the world of Vitamix and should be receiving my blender sometime later today. Since ordering my Vitamix I've had 9 days to be both excited AND scared (seriously!). In relating to a friend my recent purchase and all it could do, she commented that it sounded like I might need a permit to operate it!

I'm certain the manual/cookbook will cover some of my questions, but I'm wondering if anyone would recommend a beginner recipe(s) for me to cut my teeth on. Also, once I leave work today, I plan to stop at a store to pick up a few grocery items. Any suggestions on a basic shopping list?

I've never cared for cooked vegetables and since having colon cancer 2 years ago, salads and raw veggies don't appeal as much either--not exactly "comfort food", though in the past, I would chop broccoli, cauliflower and carrots to sprinkle into salads, soups, sauces, ... pretty much anything.

Lastly, I saw the video of the 2 men making veggie smoothies. All I could think was how dirty my celery usually is inside the bunch, and don't they trim the ends of veggies off? What's the general concensus regard cleaning veggies?

Perhaps I'll check to see if there's a newbie file on this list. If there is, my concerns have probably been discussed. For that, I'm sorry. Thanks for any help, though!

O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Ps. 34:8

[Guest guest]

Hi

I am quite new to this group and the vitamix as well.

I have been mainly having smoothies and really enjoy it. Basically I have tried different kinds but my main smoothies is strawberries, banana, apple, then I have bought frozen fruit and have added blueberries or raspberries or both then the ice cubes really good. I don,t care for mango or melons in general so I don't use that. I really do NOT like veggie smoothies I mean I've only tried 2 but it was dumped so I'm hestitant to try another. I probably could add a little veggie to my fruit smoothies but haven't yet.

I did make the banada citrus loaf in the book and I tried the frozen cappicino (spelt x to lazy to look it up. LOL) but it said 2 tsp of instant coffee I only added 1 but it was still too strong and I love coffee. Plan on trying some others from the book next.

Anyway just wanted to let you know my experience so far.

PS I have bought alot of fruit recently but it's great cause I know I won't throw it out I will use it which is usual for me.

From: juliendbq <juliendbq@...>Subject: Newbie questions Received: Friday, March 2, 2012, 2:29 PM

Hello to all, I'm new to the world of Vitamix and should be receiving my blender sometime later today. Since ordering my Vitamix I've had 9 days to be both excited AND scared (seriously!). In relating to a friend my recent purchase and all it could do, she commented that it sounded like I might need a permit to operate it! I'm certain the manual/cookbook will cover some of my questions, but I'm wondering if anyone would recommend a beginner recipe(s) for me to cut my teeth on. Also, once I leave work today, I plan to stop at a store to pick up a few grocery items. Any suggestions on a basic shopping list? I've never cared for cooked vegetables and since having colon cancer 2 years ago, salads and raw veggies don't appeal as much either--not exactly "comfort food", though in the past, I would chop broccoli, cauliflower and carrots to sprinkle into salads, soups, sauces, ...

pretty much anything. Lastly, I saw the video of the 2 men making veggie smoothies. All I could think was how dirty my celery usually is inside the bunch, and don't they trim the ends of veggies off? What's the general concensus regard cleaning veggies? Perhaps I'll check to see if there's a newbie file on this list. If there is, my concerns have probably been discussed. For that, I'm sorry. Thanks for any help, though!

O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Ps. 34:8

[Guest guest]

Hello ,And WELCOME!You are not alone - I've met a few people who are intimidated by the Vitamix - but have no fear! It is a sturdy machine!But it is a good idea to read the FAQs on my website:http://vitamixlady.com/faq/Watch your DVD (it will be in the box with the Cookbook)Spend a little bit of time reviewing the Owner's Manual, and make some of your first recipes from the, "Getting Started Guide". If you do those things and stick around here, pretty soon you will feel like a PROFESSIONAL!BTW, send a separate email to this list asking everyone how they wash their veggies - you will get a LOT of different ideas and suggestions!

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Mar 2, 2012, at 2:29 PM, juliendbq wrote:

Hello to all,

I'm new to the world of Vitamix and should be receiving my blender sometime later today. Since ordering my Vitamix I've had 9 days to be both excited AND scared (seriously!). In relating to a friend my recent purchase and all it could do, she commented that it sounded like I might need a permit to operate it!

I'm certain the manual/cookbook will cover some of my questions, but I'm wondering if anyone would recommend a beginner recipe(s) for me to cut my teeth on. Also, once I leave work today, I plan to stop at a store to pick up a few grocery items. Any suggestions on a basic shopping list?

I've never cared for cooked vegetables and since having colon cancer 2 years ago, salads and raw veggies don't appeal as much either--not exactly "comfort food", though in the past, I would chop broccoli, cauliflower and carrots to sprinkle into salads, soups, sauces, ... pretty much anything.

Lastly, I saw the video of the 2 men making veggie smoothies. All I could think was how dirty my celery usually is inside the bunch, and don't they trim the ends of veggies off? What's the general concensus regard cleaning veggies?

Perhaps I'll check to see if there's a newbie file on this list. If there is, my concerns have probably been discussed. For that, I'm sorry. Thanks for any help, though!

O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.Ps. 34:8

[Guest guest]

Hello ,What all veggie smoothies did you try?Check out these two:http://vitamixlady.com/recipes/#Cold%20Green%20Soup/message/13905How different from these ingredients were yours that did not work out? I find that I really need lemon in any "all veggie" green smoothie. Have you tried this one (a fruit based Green Smoothie):http://vitamixlady.com/recipes/#Emerald%20EcstasyThere is more about Green Smoothies in general here:http://vitamixlady.com/green-smoothies/Also, have you checked out the link titled, "Versatility of the Vitamix Machine"?:/message/19698This link should REALLY inspire you!

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:15 PM, wrote:

Hi

I am quite new to this group and the vitamix as well.

I have been mainly having smoothies and really enjoy it. Basically I have tried different kinds but my main smoothies is strawberries, banana, apple, then I have bought frozen fruit and have added blueberries or raspberries or both then the ice cubes really good. I don,t care for mango or melons in general so I don't use that. I really do NOT like veggie smoothies I mean I've only tried 2 but it was dumped so I'm hestitant to try another. I probably could add a little veggie to my fruit smoothies but haven't yet.

I did make the banada citrus loaf in the book and I tried the frozen cappicino (spelt x to lazy to look it up. LOL) but it said 2 tsp of instant coffee I only added 1 but it was still too strong and I love coffee. Plan on trying some others from the book next.

Anyway just wanted to let you know my experience so far.

PS I have bought alot of fruit recently but it's great cause I know I won't throw it out I will use it which is usual for me.

From: juliendbq <juliendbq@...>Subject: Newbie questions Received: Friday, March 2, 2012, 2:29 PM

Hello to all, I'm new to the world of Vitamix and should be receiving my blender sometime later today. Since ordering my Vitamix I've had 9 days to be both excited AND scared (seriously!). In relating to a friend my recent purchase and all it could do, she commented that it sounded like I might need a permit to operate it! I'm certain the manual/cookbook will cover some of my questions, but I'm wondering if anyone would recommend a beginner recipe(s) for me to cut my teeth on. Also, once I leave work today, I plan to stop at a store to pick up a few grocery items. Any suggestions on a basic shopping list? I've never cared for cooked vegetables and since having colon cancer 2 years ago, salads and raw veggies don't appeal as much either--not exactly "comfort food", though in the past, I would chop broccoli, cauliflower and carrots to sprinkle into salads, soups, sauces, ...

pretty much anything. Lastly, I saw the video of the 2 men making veggie smoothies. All I could think was how dirty my celery usually is inside the bunch, and don't they trim the ends of veggies off? What's the general concensus regard cleaning veggies? Perhaps I'll check to see if there's a newbie file on this list. If there is, my concerns have probably been discussed. For that, I'm sorry. Thanks for any help, though!

O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Ps. 34:8

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lea Ann and for your responses. , hopefully you and I will be able to go a little green--at least, that's my goal. I'll check out the links. Thanks again, Lea Ann!

O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Ps. 34:8 From: lsavage@...Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:00:51 -0500Subject: Re: Newbie questions

Hello ,What all veggie smoothies did you try?Check out these two:http://vitamixlady.com/recipes/#Cold%20Green%20Soup/message/13905How different from these ingredients were yours that did not work out? I find that I really need lemon in any "all veggie" green smoothie. Have you tried this one (a fruit based Green Smoothie):http://vitamixlady.com/recipes/#Emerald%20EcstasyThere is more about Green Smoothies in general here:http://vitamixlady.com/green-smoothies/Also, have you checked out the link titled, "Versatility of the Vitamix Machine"?:/message/19698This link should REALLY inspire you!

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:15 PM, wrote:

Hi

I am quite new to this group and the vitamix as well.

I have been mainly having smoothies and really enjoy it. Basically I have tried different kinds but my main smoothies is strawberries, banana, apple, then I have bought frozen fruit and have added blueberries or raspberries or both then the ice cubes really good. I don,t care for mango or melons in general so I don't use that. I really do NOT like veggie smoothies I mean I've only tried 2 but it was dumped so I'm hestitant to try another. I probably could add a little veggie to my fruit smoothies but haven't yet.

I did make the banada citrus loaf in the book and I tried the frozen cappicino (spelt x to lazy to look it up. LOL) but it said 2 tsp of instant coffee I only added 1 but it was still too strong and I love coffee. Plan on trying some others from the book next.

Anyway just wanted to let you know my experience so far.

PS I have bought alot of fruit recently but it's great cause I know I won't throw it out I will use it which is usual for me.

From: juliendbq <juliendbq@...>Subject: Newbie questions Received: Friday, March 2, 2012, 2:29 PM

Hello to all, I'm new to the world of Vitamix and should be receiving my blender sometime later today. Since ordering my Vitamix I've had 9 days to be both excited AND scared (seriously!). In relating to a friend my recent purchase and all it could do, she commented that it sounded like I might need a permit to operate it! I'm certain the manual/cookbook will cover some of my questions, but I'm wondering if anyone would recommend a beginner recipe(s) for me to cut my teeth on. Also, once I leave work today, I plan to stop at a store to pick up a few grocery items. Any suggestions on a basic shopping list? I've never cared for cooked vegetables and since having colon cancer 2 years ago, salads and raw veggies don't appeal as much either--not exactly "comfort food", though in the past, I would chop broccoli, cauliflower and carrots to sprinkle into salads, soups, sauces, ...

pretty much anything. Lastly, I saw the video of the 2 men making veggie smoothies. All I could think was how dirty my celery usually is inside the bunch, and don't they trim the ends of veggies off? What's the general concensus regard cleaning veggies? Perhaps I'll check to see if there's a newbie file on this list. If there is, my concerns have probably been discussed. For that, I'm sorry. Thanks for any help, though!

O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Ps. 34:8

[Guest guest]

Oh blueberry citrus loaf sounds good too. What other book did you get? I'd

like to look up the recipe. Thanks, Barb

[Guest guest]

The banana citrus loaf sounds good...which book is it in, I will have to get it

Thanks,

Sherri