Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 I post this for two reasons: 1. As part of the discussion about the role of mold in MCS; and, 2. An idea for increasing awareness about the effects of mold. The news story is at: http://www.wsoctv.com/family/6281497/detail.html At the bottom is a link to the Chemical Sensitivity Foundation. A Mold Sensitivity Foundation could work. There is already some action at this level, including 's FDRC (any word on its current status?). Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Did I miss the DIRECT correlation of her MCS to mold anywhere? Chemicals/mold etc are GATEWAYS for a compromised immune system to be further injured. Case closed! Angel On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Carl E. Grimes wrote: > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:13:14 -0700 > From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> > Reply- > > Subject: [] Charlotte Teen with MCS > > I post this for two reasons: 1. As part of the discussion about the > role of mold in MCS; and, 2. An idea for increasing awareness about > the effects of mold. > > The news story is at: > http://www.wsoctv.com/family/6281497/detail.html > > At the bottom is a link to the Chemical Sensitivity Foundation. A > Mold Sensitivity Foundation could work. There is already some action > at this level, including 's FDRC (any word on its > current status?). > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Angel, I wouldn't say " case closed " necessarily. Most of my clients that are reactive to both mold and chemicals receive more benefit by stopping the exposure to mold rather than to chemicals. I have clients that are reactive to mold but not chemicals and also some that have no mold reactivity and no history of mold exposure - beyond what we all have, i.e. normal fungal ecology - but severely react to chemicals. Could they have had a previous mold exposure that triggered it? We may never know. It may end up being similar to the nature vs nuture argument with the finding that it is the interaction between the two. One or the other predominates for one individual but the other for another. All I can do is work with what I have as I find it. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > Did I miss the DIRECT correlation of her MCS to mold anywhere? > > Chemicals/mold etc are GATEWAYS for a compromised immune system to be > further injured. > > Case closed! > > Angel > > > On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Carl E. Grimes wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:13:14 -0700 > > From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> > > Reply- > > > > Subject: [] Charlotte Teen with MCS > > > > I post this for two reasons: 1. As part of the discussion about the > > role of mold in MCS; and, 2. An idea for increasing awareness about > > the effects of mold. > > > > The news story is at: > > http://www.wsoctv.com/family/6281497/detail.html > > > > At the bottom is a link to the Chemical Sensitivity Foundation. A > > Mold Sensitivity Foundation could work. There is already some action > > at this level, including 's FDRC (any word on its > > current status?). > > > > Carl Grimes > > Healthy Habitats LLC > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 The case closed reference was to stop that the mold is the ONLY trigger for MCS theory. It's not and those who adhere to it are no better than the skeptics who say it's a psychological illness. Take CFS for example, go to a neutologist and he see a nervous system disorder, go to a rheumatoligist and he sees arthrisit etc. Those who only see it as being related to their illness are harming others by not allowing for the probability that one...as I stated is the conduit/gateway for other immune system dysfunctions. Even in the chemical injury arena no one has the same symptoms, as each chemical creates it s own unique set of symptoms. Pesticide poisoinings are usually more neuologically centered as the pesticide is designed to attack the bugs cns....that is my opnion why they can not clearly define what exactly MCS is. No 2 peoples exposures are from the same chemicals in the same ratio etc. Only those who we injured in a common setting, it would APPEAR would have the same symptoms, lab tests etc. This is a mold board so everyone apparently is convinced that mold is the ultimate trigger. Wrong and people need to understand that one can LEAD to the other, not only one causes the other. What I find ironic, is why there are so few mold medical professionals/researchers on this board. The ones I deal with on chemcial injury the top players are on it internationally. Why are so many of the names (aside from Dr. Lipsey and Dr. Shaller) not on here? There are a very few on this board who are genuinely pro-active....why aren't the rest? If am not sure, if there are any, people on here who have groups intheir area educating people. If not, this board will serve to preach to the choir, rather than educate the ones who need it. Exchange of info is vital in any area of activism and by keeping it betweem those who already are aware serves no purpose, at least in my book. I will reitierate it again...ad nauseum....there is not ONE cause for any of this! On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Carl E. Grimes wrote: > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:45:06 -0700 > From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] Charlotte Teen with MCS > > Angel, > > I wouldn't say " case closed " necessarily. Most of my clients that are > reactive to both mold and chemicals receive more benefit by stopping > the exposure to mold rather than to chemicals. I have clients that > are reactive to mold but not chemicals and also some that have no > mold reactivity and no history of mold exposure - beyond what we all > have, i.e. normal fungal ecology - but severely react to chemicals. > Could they have had a previous mold exposure that triggered it? We > may never know. It may end up being similar to the nature vs nuture > argument with the finding that it is the interaction between the two. > One or the other predominates for one individual but the other for > another. All I can do is work with what I have as I find it. > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > > ----- >> Did I miss the DIRECT correlation of her MCS to mold anywhere? >> >> Chemicals/mold etc are GATEWAYS for a compromised immune system to be >> further injured. >> >> Case closed! >> >> Angel >> >> >> On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Carl E. Grimes wrote: >> >>> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:13:14 -0700 >>> From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> >>> Reply- >>> >>> Subject: [] Charlotte Teen with MCS >>> >>> I post this for two reasons: 1. As part of the discussion about the >>> role of mold in MCS; and, 2. An idea for increasing awareness about >>> the effects of mold. >>> >>> The news story is at: >>> http://www.wsoctv.com/family/6281497/detail.html >>> >>> At the bottom is a link to the Chemical Sensitivity Foundation. A >>> Mold Sensitivity Foundation could work. There is already some action >>> at this level, including 's FDRC (any word on its >>> current status?). >>> >>> Carl Grimes >>> Healthy Habitats LLC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> FAIR USE NOTICE: >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Angel!! wrote: > The case closed reference was to stop that the mold is the ONLY trigger for MCS theory. I don't believe there is anyone in this group who has proposed this concept. If you can find any reference where this is stated or inferred, can you please post it? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 I don't know weather I understand the debate here. Is it that someone can have mcs but not be allergic to mold? I believe I was injured by pesticides but have no science to back it up. Only that the so called " professional " who applied them did not follow the label that said to water it in after application. If it was one or two 50 pound bags I guess I might have been able to handle it but it was probably I have guessed somewhere between 15 and 30 pallets 2000lbs a palliate. Over a period of a year. I went behind this " professional " with my commercial mower. My house is 50 years old and the mold was there when I moved in 1983. I finally sold it in 2002. So I would have a hard time believing that the pesticides had no part in my illness but am open minded enough to accept the fact that I don't really know for sure. It could have been 14 years of exposure to black mold was the exclusive cause, or it could be a combination of the two or I might have been able to go another 14 years in that house and never gotten sick if it was not for the pesticides. I really don't know I don't have the science either way. Other people lived in my home before me and not gotten sick and other people are living in it right now and not sick. I am still sick and I am out of it so when I weigh the evidence I lean very heavily towards the pesticide exposure causing this or at the very least a key factor. Most people whom have mcs are middle aged and most of these are female. I have wondered weather child bearing could have a role in this. Cumulative pesticide exposures from food and housing and pesticide miss use also could be a key factor. Just a side note too, someone asked the question why more pest control people don't get sick from pesticides at a higher rate than the general population or average people. The answer to that question is simple they know the chemicals are hazardous and take precautions not to expose themselves. Conversely average people like me come along have no clue they are being exposed and thus take no precautions bingo! Also the reporting is nonexistent. Todd Caudell at the dept of entomology stonewalled me for 4 years I tried to get a copy of the report he claimed to file. He finally told me the times up and they destroy the records after 4 years. I went over his head and found out that's a lie they keep them indefinitely. Than he changed his story and said it must be lost. when I first got sick I thought I had mcs based on what I read on the internet and the symptoms are you feel like you are being poisoned. Funny thing about humans is we like to connect the dots. It made sense I feel like I am being poisoned it has to be some type of chemical. I now know that not to be true. Especially chemicals on a very low level seem to have almost no affect on me. I have been around high levels of chemicals and gotten moderately dizzy, maybe a headache. Sometimes I wonder if perfume might make me sick. Conversely put me in a place with black mold and I get deathly ill. Pins and needles feeling on my face, loss of coordination, inability to perform cognitive task's, extreme fatigue, sleep disorders, stomach bloating, throat closing up on me, food allergies. There is no question that black mold does this to me. Weather my lesser background symptoms, constant flu like symptoms, inability to concentrate under stress has some chemical component I don't know. What I do know for fact is black mold makes me deathly ill there is no debate, there is no question it makes me sick. Being I have no hard evidence for chemicals making me sick directly I give some credit to it and some credit to other things mostly organic things, pollen, dust, dust mites, dander, background mold, etc. chirst Just my 2 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 I did not have NCS untill my mold exposure Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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