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I post this for two reasons: 1. As part of the discussion about the

role of mold in MCS; and, 2. An idea for increasing awareness about

the effects of mold.

The news story is at:

http://www.wsoctv.com/family/6281497/detail.html

At the bottom is a link to the Chemical Sensitivity Foundation. A

Mold Sensitivity Foundation could work. There is already some action

at this level, including 's FDRC (any word on its

current status?).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Did I miss the DIRECT correlation of her MCS to mold anywhere?

Chemicals/mold etc are GATEWAYS for a compromised immune system to be

further injured.

Case closed!

Angel

On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Carl E. Grimes wrote:

> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:13:14 -0700

> From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Charlotte Teen with MCS

>

> I post this for two reasons: 1. As part of the discussion about the

> role of mold in MCS; and, 2. An idea for increasing awareness about

> the effects of mold.

>

> The news story is at:

> http://www.wsoctv.com/family/6281497/detail.html

>

> At the bottom is a link to the Chemical Sensitivity Foundation. A

> Mold Sensitivity Foundation could work. There is already some action

> at this level, including 's FDRC (any word on its

> current status?).

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

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Angel,

I wouldn't say " case closed " necessarily. Most of my clients that are

reactive to both mold and chemicals receive more benefit by stopping

the exposure to mold rather than to chemicals. I have clients that

are reactive to mold but not chemicals and also some that have no

mold reactivity and no history of mold exposure - beyond what we all

have, i.e. normal fungal ecology - but severely react to chemicals.

Could they have had a previous mold exposure that triggered it? We

may never know. It may end up being similar to the nature vs nuture

argument with the finding that it is the interaction between the two.

One or the other predominates for one individual but the other for

another. All I can do is work with what I have as I find it.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> Did I miss the DIRECT correlation of her MCS to mold anywhere?

>

> Chemicals/mold etc are GATEWAYS for a compromised immune system to be

> further injured.

>

> Case closed!

>

> Angel

>

>

> On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Carl E. Grimes wrote:

>

> > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:13:14 -0700

> > From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

> > Reply-

> >

> > Subject: [] Charlotte Teen with MCS

> >

> > I post this for two reasons: 1. As part of the discussion about the

> > role of mold in MCS; and, 2. An idea for increasing awareness about

> > the effects of mold.

> >

> > The news story is at:

> > http://www.wsoctv.com/family/6281497/detail.html

> >

> > At the bottom is a link to the Chemical Sensitivity Foundation. A

> > Mold Sensitivity Foundation could work. There is already some action

> > at this level, including 's FDRC (any word on its

> > current status?).

> >

> > Carl Grimes

> > Healthy Habitats LLC

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

> >

> >

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The case closed reference was to stop that the mold is the ONLY trigger

for MCS theory. It's not and those who adhere to it are no better than

the

skeptics who say it's a psychological illness.

Take CFS for example, go to a neutologist and he see a nervous system

disorder, go to a rheumatoligist and he sees arthrisit etc. Those who

only see it as being related to their illness are harming others by not

allowing for the probability that one...as I stated is the conduit/gateway

for other immune system dysfunctions.

Even in the chemical injury arena no one has the same symptoms, as each

chemical creates it

s own unique set of symptoms. Pesticide poisoinings are usually more

neuologically centered as the pesticide is designed to attack the bugs

cns....that is my opnion why they can not clearly define what exactly MCS

is. No 2 peoples exposures are from the same chemicals in the same ratio

etc. Only those who we injured in a common setting, it would APPEAR would

have the same symptoms, lab tests etc.

This is a mold board so everyone apparently is convinced that mold is the

ultimate trigger. Wrong and people need to understand that one can LEAD

to the other, not only one causes the other.

What I find ironic, is why there are so few mold medical

professionals/researchers on this board. The ones I deal with on

chemcial injury the top players are on it internationally. Why are so

many of the names (aside from Dr. Lipsey and Dr. Shaller) not on here?

There are a very few on this board who are genuinely pro-active....why

aren't the rest?

If am not sure, if there are any, people on here who have groups intheir

area educating people. If not, this board will serve to preach to the

choir, rather than educate the ones who need it. Exchange of info is

vital in any area of activism and by keeping it betweem those who already

are aware serves no purpose, at least in my book.

I will reitierate it again...ad nauseum....there is not ONE cause for any

of this!

On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Carl E. Grimes wrote:

> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:45:06 -0700

> From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Charlotte Teen with MCS

>

> Angel,

>

> I wouldn't say " case closed " necessarily. Most of my clients that are

> reactive to both mold and chemicals receive more benefit by stopping

> the exposure to mold rather than to chemicals. I have clients that

> are reactive to mold but not chemicals and also some that have no

> mold reactivity and no history of mold exposure - beyond what we all

> have, i.e. normal fungal ecology - but severely react to chemicals.

> Could they have had a previous mold exposure that triggered it? We

> may never know. It may end up being similar to the nature vs nuture

> argument with the finding that it is the interaction between the two.

> One or the other predominates for one individual but the other for

> another. All I can do is work with what I have as I find it.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

>> Did I miss the DIRECT correlation of her MCS to mold anywhere?

>>

>> Chemicals/mold etc are GATEWAYS for a compromised immune system to be

>> further injured.

>>

>> Case closed!

>>

>> Angel

>>

>>

>> On Sat, 4 Feb 2006, Carl E. Grimes wrote:

>>

>>> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:13:14 -0700

>>> From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

>>> Reply-

>>>

>>> Subject: [] Charlotte Teen with MCS

>>>

>>> I post this for two reasons: 1. As part of the discussion about the

>>> role of mold in MCS; and, 2. An idea for increasing awareness about

>>> the effects of mold.

>>>

>>> The news story is at:

>>> http://www.wsoctv.com/family/6281497/detail.html

>>>

>>> At the bottom is a link to the Chemical Sensitivity Foundation. A

>>> Mold Sensitivity Foundation could work. There is already some action

>>> at this level, including 's FDRC (any word on its

>>> current status?).

>>>

>>> Carl Grimes

>>> Healthy Habitats LLC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>>>

>>>

>>>

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Angel!! wrote:

> The case closed reference was to stop that the mold is the ONLY

trigger for MCS theory.

I don't believe there is anyone in this group who has proposed this

concept.

If you can find any reference where this is stated or inferred, can

you please post it?

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I don't know weather I understand the debate here. Is it that someone

can have mcs but not be allergic to mold?

I believe I was injured by pesticides but have no science to back

it up. Only that the so called " professional " who applied them did

not follow the label that said to water it in after application. If

it was one or two 50 pound bags I guess I might have been able to

handle it but it was probably I have guessed somewhere between 15 and

30 pallets 2000lbs a palliate. Over a period of a year. I went

behind this " professional " with my commercial mower.

My house is 50 years old and the mold was there when I moved in

1983. I finally sold it in 2002. So I would have a hard time

believing that the pesticides had no part in my illness but am open

minded enough to accept the fact that I don't really know for sure.

It could have been 14 years of exposure to black mold was the

exclusive cause, or it could be a combination of the two or I might

have been able to go another 14 years in that house and never gotten

sick if it was not for the pesticides. I really don't know I don't

have the science either way. Other people lived in my home before me

and not gotten sick and other people are living in it right now and

not sick. I am still sick and I am out of it so when I weigh the

evidence I lean very heavily towards the pesticide exposure causing

this or at the very least a key factor. Most people whom have mcs are

middle aged and most of these are female. I have wondered weather

child bearing could have a role in this. Cumulative pesticide

exposures from food and housing and pesticide miss use also could be a

key factor. Just a side note too, someone asked the question why

more pest control people don't get sick from pesticides at a higher

rate than the general population or average people. The answer to

that question is simple they know the chemicals are hazardous and take

precautions not to expose themselves. Conversely average people like

me come along have no clue they are being exposed and thus take no

precautions bingo! Also the reporting is nonexistent. Todd Caudell

at the dept of entomology stonewalled me for 4 years I tried to get a

copy of the report he claimed to file. He finally told me the times up

and they destroy the records after 4 years. I went over his head and

found out that's a lie they keep them indefinitely. Than he changed

his story and said it must be lost.

when I first got sick I thought I had mcs based on what I read on

the internet and the symptoms are you feel like you are being

poisoned. Funny thing about humans is we like to connect the dots.

It made sense I feel like I am being poisoned it has to be some type

of chemical. I now know that not to be true. Especially chemicals on

a very low level seem to have almost no affect on me. I have been

around high levels of chemicals and gotten moderately dizzy, maybe a

headache. Sometimes I wonder if perfume might make me sick.

Conversely put me in a place with black mold and I get deathly ill.

Pins and needles feeling on my face, loss of coordination, inability

to perform cognitive task's, extreme fatigue, sleep disorders, stomach

bloating, throat closing up on me, food allergies. There is no

question that black mold does this to me. Weather my lesser

background symptoms, constant flu like symptoms, inability to

concentrate under stress has some chemical component I don't know.

What I do know for fact is black mold makes me deathly ill there is no

debate, there is no question it makes me sick. Being I have no hard

evidence for chemicals making me sick directly I give some credit to

it and some credit to other things mostly organic things, pollen,

dust, dust mites, dander, background mold, etc.

chirst

Just my 2 cents

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