Off-Topic about hard times

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LymeAngel asked me if I knew how hard it was to get a PhD. I think I do but I

started thinking about how hard it was for my grandmother just to live and I

know there are many on this list who would trade their mold survival for doing

whatever it takes to get a PhD!

Many, many people did things like my grandmother did just to survive life and

I am wondering if LymeAngel is forgetting them. I am not against education,

though when it comes to educated medical researchers solving illnesses since

Polio, education has not helped much. My grandmother was born in 1906 and her

sister in 1905 in Oklahoma. They both grew up as share-cropper children and they

and their husbands were share-croppers when a drought hit Oklahoma. My

grandmother, sister and husbands loaded what little they had on a flat-bed Ford

pickup and headed to CA.. Rent the movie or the read the great novel by

Steinbeck, " Grapes of Wrath " , to see just how hard the trip was. My ancestors

got to AZ and went to work for the railroad. Both families lived in boxcars.

This was during the depression and grandmother told me that they had it better

than many. Hobo's would come by and grandmother and Aunt Bonnie would give them

some of what little food they had. If that was not bad enough,

grandmother's husband was killed in a bar-fight when she had a 11 yr old son

and my mother was eight. All she knew was farm work so they went to CA and

worked in the fields. In fact I was born in a apple-orchard while they were in

Yakima, WA picking apples. We lived in a canvas tent, or if the farmer had

little " shantys " , we lived there. We continued this lifestyle until I was five.

My mother was not able to attend school after she was eight but she was

extremely intelligent. She wanted more for me and she started waitressing tables

so I could be stable and attend school. Not only was I the first in my family to

get a college education, I was the first to even get a grade-school

education...lol

LymeAngel, it took me ten years to get my college-education and then I became

ill with CFS. I had to work at Safeway Grocery from 10pm-7am and attend classes

during the day to get my education. It was much harder on myself than my son,

but people like my grandmother and mother made many sacrifices so their families

would not have to go through what they did. Thinking about what my family went

through helped me get not only an edcuation, but to survive this past year from

my mold problem. I think you said you were a nurse, but I am not sure. Maybe you

have been around MD's and know how hard it was for them to get where they were,

but my grandmother and mother worked just as hard and they had NO letters after

their names! BTW, the way I wrote Mr Kroft's name is the correct way with their

name and then their PhD listed afterwards. Do I respect him because he has a

PhD? No I don't. If I knew him and I respected him, it would not be because he

has an education.

I have seen many educated people who think they are better than uneducated

people and that is BS. I am more proud of my grandmother and mother than I am my

son with a PhD, though I am also proud of him. There are many, many stories like

my grandmother's and mother's and I respect those people. I also respect the

ones who have fought and died for our countries, though now that there is no

draft, You do not see many PhDs in the service. I hope KC will let this through

as their are many mold survivors on this list, like Iris, fighting for their

lives and maybe they do not have a PhD or MD. Let's forget letters on this list.

Bob

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How about we respect and honor a wide range of individuals for their amazing

efforts: grandparents, mothers, fathers who take years to get their degree,

son's who have the genius to do doctoral level Physics............ and perhaps

make such respect normative in our circle in which each has unique life

experiences and gifts.

Illness promotes devaluation and I hear the opposite in this amazing email--the

desire to be aware of the wonder of different people.

[] Off-Topic about hard times

LymeAngel asked me if I knew how hard it was to get a PhD. I think I do but I

started thinking about how hard it was for my grandmother just to live and I

know there are many on this list who would trade their mold survival for doing

whatever it takes to get a PhD!

Many, many people did things like my grandmother did just to survive life

and I am wondering if LymeAngel is forgetting them. I am not against education,

though when it comes to educated medical researchers solving illnesses since

Polio, education has not helped much. My grandmother was born in 1906 and her

sister in 1905 in Oklahoma. They both grew up as share-cropper children and they

and their husbands were share-croppers when a drought hit Oklahoma. My

grandmother, sister and husbands loaded what little they had on a flat-bed Ford

pickup and headed to CA.. Rent the movie or the read the great novel by

Steinbeck, " Grapes of Wrath " , to see just how hard the trip was. My ancestors

got to AZ and went to work for the railroad. Both families lived in boxcars.

This was during the depression and grandmother told me that they had it better

than many. Hobo's would come by and grandmother and Aunt Bonnie would give them

some of what little food they had. If that was not bad enough,

grandmother's husband was killed in a bar-fight when she had a 11 yr old son

and my mother was eight. All she knew was farm work so they went to CA and

worked in the fields. In fact I was born in a apple-orchard while they were in

Yakima, WA picking apples. We lived in a canvas tent, or if the farmer had

little " shantys " , we lived there. We continued this lifestyle until I was five.

My mother was not able to attend school after she was eight but she was

extremely intelligent. She wanted more for me and she started waitressing tables

so I could be stable and attend school. Not only was I the first in my family to

get a college education, I was the first to even get a grade-school

education...lol

LymeAngel, it took me ten years to get my college-education and then I

became ill with CFS. I had to work at Safeway Grocery from 10pm-7am and attend

classes during the day to get my education. It was much harder on myself than my

son, but people like my grandmother and mother made many sacrifices so their

families would not have to go through what they did. Thinking about what my

family went through helped me get not only an edcuation, but to survive this

past year from my mold problem. I think you said you were a nurse, but I am not

sure. Maybe you have been around MD's and know how hard it was for them to get

where they were, but my grandmother and mother worked just as hard and they had

NO letters after their names! BTW, the way I wrote Mr Kroft's name is the

correct way with their name and then their PhD listed afterwards. Do I respect

him because he has a PhD? No I don't. If I knew him and I respected him, it

would not be because he has an education.

I have seen many educated people who think they are better than uneducated

people and that is BS. I am more proud of my grandmother and mother than I am my

son with a PhD, though I am also proud of him. There are many, many stories like

my grandmother's and mother's and I respect those people. I also respect the

ones who have fought and died for our countries, though now that there is no

draft, You do not see many PhDs in the service. I hope KC will let this through

as their are many mold survivors on this list, like Iris, fighting for their

lives and maybe they do not have a PhD or MD. Let's forget letters on this list.

Bob

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--- In , " jschaller " <jschaller@s...>

wrote:

>

> How about we respect and honor a wide range of individuals for

their amazing efforts: grandparents, mothers, fathers who take years

to get their degree, son's who have the genius to do doctoral level

Physics............ and perhaps make such respect normative in our

circle in which each has unique life experiences and gifts.

>

> Illness promotes devaluation and I hear the opposite in this

amazing email--the desire to be aware of the wonder of different

people.

jschaller,

I am not sure on how to respond. I do agree that we should honor many

people who are not really shown that much respect for what they do

for society. An example would be teachers. I enjoy watching sports

and movies but I would rather see people who watch over and teach our

children, making more money than entertainers. My son is highly

intelligent but he is only interested in making money. That would be

great if while he is making money, he could also do something which

helps our society and world. I cannot say I respect someone because

they got an education. It is what did they do with this education

which helped their neighbors? We all have gifts and some are gifted

in going to school and doing exceptionally well but that does not

mean that the person working very hard picking up my trash to provide

for his family is any less of a person. My son thinks that he is far

superior to people without education, and that did not come from me!

Maybe because I came from such a modest background. I do not get the

impression that President Lincoln was full of himself, but look what

great things he accomplished!! Not because he got an education and

became a lawyer.

I do not know you and I do not disrespect you but nor do I respect

you because you are an MD. I beleive respect is earned by deeds and

not by education. Faith without deeds is dead. Now if you did

something great to help your fellow man, I would respect that. Youmay

be doing just that but I do not know you. I respect your opinion and

all others, but we just have to agree to disagree. I am well aware of

why and how the practice started of giving certain people " titles " .

My gosh, people in the UK are still given the title of " Sir " . I just

do not see what is special in a woman/man because they were born into

the Royal Family? They are really entertainers and make money for

England. Groups of people who decide to give themselves titles do it

to make themselves feel superior to those who do not have titles. I

can remember when MD's where calling chiropractors quacks and now

chiropractors are calling themselves drs. When I watch C-Span and

listen to those people handing out one praise after another, make my

want to puke...lol then they get arrested for accepting

bribes...haha! Give me Jefferson and lin. They

would have probably would laugh when they saw how congress people

have tried to make themselves into diety!

[Guest guest]

There's a real problem happening right now in the US in that

education's affordability is declining rapidly for the majority of

Americans, even as some people are doing very well.

Thats not just me saying this, study after study bears this out.

Thats why its a real tragedy when someone who might have worked their

way up a long hard trail to being able to make a middle class income

is kicked in the teeth by a mold illness.

They say that the difference in income between someone with a college

degree and someone who doesn't have one is over a million dollars

during the course of a lifetime. And one's 'career inertia' is very

important, especially if you don't have a degree and are trying to

make it solely on hard work and your skills. So, when you get sick,

the impact is much greater than simply the lost income, its also a

huge setback in trying to get to a place where you can live what is

considered to be a normal life.

Thats why I call mold and those who act as apologists for its

continuance 'LIFE STEALERS'