Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 Elevated ammonia in plasma is common among people with liver problems. Like mercury toxic people. Ammonia mostly comes from protein in the diet. Ammonia is turned into urea for excretion (in the urine) in a cycle involving arginine and ornithine, two amino acids. General supplementation with B complex, C and magnesium seems to help somewhat. Detoxification helps a lot more. Andy .. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 Thanks for the input on ammonia..we're going the de-tox route.- AndyCutler@... wrote: Elevated ammonia in plasma is common among people with liver problems. Like mercury toxic people. Ammonia mostly comes from protein in the diet. Ammonia is turned into urea for excretion (in the urine) in a cycle involving arginine and ornithine, two amino acids. General supplementation with B complex, C and magnesium seems to help somewhat. Detoxification helps a lot more. Andy .. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Hi , Send my loving good wishes to your mom, I sure hope they can get to the bottom of what is making her so sick right now. Bev is lucky to have a daughter to help her in this time. Since Bev has told us you have an older house there with some mold problems, I woud use bleach and detergent, since that is recommended to kill molds. I am also giving my own house a once-over with a disinfectant (one like Lysol or Hexol, I don't know the brand names up there), to try and get rid of any lingering viruses that may be left over from winter...you may want to do that also for good measure Take care to have the rooms well ventilated when you clean, so *you* are not exposed to too much of the bleach fumes. If you don't want to use all those chemicals, natural alternatives would be vinegar and a strong sage tea solution. Good luck with it, and please let us know how things are going. Take care, Liz G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Hi Jenn, Here is a link to a web page I found that discusses both the problems of mold and what to do about it: http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doh/html/epi/epimold.html As for a cleaner, my vote would be for chlorine bleach but make sure you wear good, non-leaking rubber gloves and I'd also recommend you get something to cover your mouth and nose, which you could get from a hardward store. Use two buckets, one with the cleaner in it and another with the rinse water, with different cloths or sponges in each and change the water frequently. Be careful yourself because I know you have allergies, too. Good luck, honey, wish I could be there to help. Hugs a NorthernRosebud@... wrote: >...I am trying to get the house in order - the whole sh'bang, so to > speak. Disinfected, the whole bit. What are your opinions of me using ammonia to clean? Or would you suggest bleach?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in some 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the uea cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often spacey and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by feeding into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these children. Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. > > What is homeopathic ammonia? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 We have excessive ammonia w/ ..I read up on ornithine & arginine and bought them but didn't know about dosing...bottle only lists " ADULT " dose and there is a caution about not using it if liver or kidneys are compromised...I think all of my guys systems are " compromised " . It interests me that someone else is looking at this. is 47lbs. - Any input? [ ] ammonia An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in some 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the uea cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often spacey and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by feeding into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these children. Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2001 Report Share Posted June 10, 2001 Interesting about the OTC deficiency causing high ammonia. And it appears it may well be linked to the mercury problem! Here is a quote from Dr. Kane's book (copyright 1996) " The Neurochemistry and Neurophysics of Autistic Spectrum Disorders " . " The enzymes of the liver and urea cycle are impacted in many other ways such as in ORNOTHINE TRANSCARBAMYLASE DEFICIENCY, which is the most common inborn error of ureagenesis in humans and is noted in the literature as presenting in adults with full blown AUTISTIC BEHAVIOR, HYPERAMMONEMIA, and stroke like episodes within days of suppression of this enzyme. EXPOSURE TO MERCURY DAMAGES THIS ENZYME and treatment is limited to liver transplant if the enzyme is grossly damaged. Sodium benzoate or phenylbutyrate may be utilized to control hyperammonemia if reduction in OTC enzyme activity is not deeply suppressed. " (Capitals mine for emphasis) This sounds like maybe one more clue to the puzzle! Ruth, 's mom Original message: Message: 21 Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:20:01 -0000 From: " Robyn Cosford " <rcosford@...> Subject: ammonia An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in some 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the uea cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often spacey and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by feeding into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these children. Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 What are tiny doses for a 47lb-4y.o. ??? Re: [ ] ammonia I wouldn't use ornithine if ammonia is high - urinary ornithine may reperesent ornithine leakage into the urine or spillover from high serum levels. Try arginine in tiny doses - use kinesiology if you can. Dr Robyn Cosford [ ] ammonia > > > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in some > 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the uea > cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often spacey > and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by feeding > into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine > carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- > another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these children. > Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't > specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2001 Report Share Posted June 12, 2001 I wouldn't use ornithine if ammonia is high - urinary ornithine may reperesent ornithine leakage into the urine or spillover from high serum levels. Try arginine in tiny doses - use kinesiology if you can. Dr Robyn Cosford [ ] ammonia > > > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in some > 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the uea > cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often spacey > and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by feeding > into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine > carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- > another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these children. > Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't > specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Thanks for the input on arginine...We just rcvd. test results showing blood plasma ammonia at 80umol/L (ref. ange =10-40umol/L) and probably will add nothing more till we get help to det. what's causing the hyperammonemia and help with stabalizing the plasma levels. I believe that this is 2ndary to the metals(we haven't begun chelation) but am very concerned about this now. P.S. I posted these results last P.M. and wonder if any others deal or have dealt w/ this??? Re: [ ] ammonia Dear - a few grains on the tongue each day for a few days and watch - if no adverse reaction, try 10 mg/day. maximum 50 mg/day. [ ] ammonia > > > > > > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in > some > > 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the > uea > > cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often > spacey > > and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by > feeding > > into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine > > carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- > > another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these > children. > > Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't > > specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Dear Robyn, I am so sorry that you feel inhibited in any way from posting. I implore you to reread the mail on this thread: a large majority of it says that people are GRATEFUL that there are professionals on the list who post with their expertise. I have not yet posted my longer commentary on this thread, but my sentiments are in of appreciation. best regards, Moria At 07:44 PM 6/14/2001 -0000, you wrote: >, I have sent a reply - but after seeing recent comments about >professionlals posting in this list, I will post no more. >Dr Robyn Cosford > [ ] ammonia >> > >> > >> > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in >> some >> > 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of >the >> uea >> > cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often >> spacey >> > and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by >> feeding >> > into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine >> > carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner >membrane)- >> > another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these >> children. >> > Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't >> > specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 > , I have sent a reply - but after seeing recent comments about > professionlals posting in this list, I will post no more. > Dr Robyn Cosford Please continue to post. The issue is NOT professionals posting, but people without manners abusing the fact they have some license or other pretense of knowledge as an excuse to be arrogant and rude. There is no issue with your postings. I hope you will continue them. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 Dear - a few grains on the tongue each day for a few days and watch - if no adverse reaction, try 10 mg/day. maximum 50 mg/day. [ ] ammonia > > > > > > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in > some > > 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the > uea > > cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often > spacey > > and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by > feeding > > into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine > > carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- > > another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these > children. > > Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't > > specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2001 Report Share Posted June 14, 2001 , I have sent a reply - but after seeing recent comments about professionlals posting in this list, I will post no more. Dr Robyn Cosford [ ] ammonia > > > > > > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in > some > > 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the > uea > > cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often > spacey > > and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by > feeding > > into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine > > carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- > > another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these > children. > > Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't > > specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 Dr. Cosford, It is regrettable that you have been made to feel this way. I for one appreciate your involvement. The issue here seems to be more related to pushing products (which you don't). Jon. [ ] ammonia > > > > > > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in > some > > 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of the > uea > > cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often > spacey > > and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by > feeding > > into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine > > carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner membrane)- > > another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these > children. > > Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't > > specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 I believe all of us would prefer you to stay. Everyone's opinion is appreciated and respected here. Sales pitches for business reasons are not. I have raved and raved about Epsom Salts baths to everyone how it has helped my son but I have no financial ties with Epsom Salts what-so-ever. Please consider wheathering the storm with us. However, the final decision of course is yours. > , I have sent a reply - but after seeing recent comments about > professionlals posting in this list, I will post no more. > Dr Robyn Cosford > [ ] ammonia > > > > > > > > > An answer on the ammonia question - high urinary ornithine occurs in > > some > > > 50% of children with autism in my experience - ornithine is part of > the > > uea > > > cycle for the removal of ammonia via urea. These children are often > > spacey > > > and are made worse by glutamine which overloads the urea cycle by > > feeding > > > into ornithine. I suspect the enzyme at fault is ornithine > > > carbamoyl-transferase, within the mitochondria (on the inner > membrane)- > > > another piece of evidence for mitochondrial dysfunction in these > > children. > > > Perhaps some arginine might help bypass the problem, but I haven't > > > specifically tried this. I tend to use homeopathic ammonia. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Hi, I started to suspect something... when I realized that my son's pee smells really REALLY.. not bad, but it was a really weird smell that I couldn't stand... Now I know pee isn't supposed to smell like roses, but I always suspected it was something there, because it didn't really smell like pee. First I found an explanation about the lack of sulfate and how this should be an indication... Ok, I " fixed " that, and it's like the smell it's worse now. So that's why I kept looking for an explanation... It appears that the body cannot just excrete ammonia when there is in excess. So ammonia should be first converted to urea which is less toxic than ammonia, and after that excreted in the urine. But some people have problems with this process. It's something about some enzymes that are not working as they should, or those enzymes are completely missing... I forgot... Anyway, this whole process is very complicated and I don't understand most of it... but I was thinking that with our kids' gut bugs, ammonia is OBVIOUSLY elevated. Also, these kids eat a lot of protein because of the CFGF diet. So again this is another reason why ammonia will increase (protein contains amino acids, and amino means NH3 - nitrogen). If their capacity to excrete the nitrogen is impaired (like what's new) then I guess these kids are in trouble I understood that many times this disorder is inherited, so there's no wonder if many members of the same family have the same problem... Also, there could be something in here about this P5P that people keep complaining about... I am sorry, I don't understand the process very well, as I said, so I can't possibly explain this (maybe it will take me another month or so to read about it LOL). I have noticed though that it's mentioned many times in relation to this urea cycle process and nitrogen excretion. From what I have read, I don't understand yet if B6 is beneficial in the P5P form or that it actually causes problems, but anyway... it could be something related... Now, to be honest, it's been more than a month since I keep reading about these things, and I still couldn't draw the line and form an idea and understand what's actually happening. And last night, trying to put all these things into words made me think about it a little more organized and made me understand a little better what is all about So your email, , was very welcome ) LOL Oh! The test that should be run to see if ammonia levels are high is a uric serum test (I have no idea if this is how it's translated, but it should give you an idea). I guess the alkaline stool should be a signal, but to actually measure the ammonia you can do a urine test. It should be very cheap Now, about Alpha Ketogluratic Acid... It's my understanding that it could take care of the problem, it would help re-make the glutamate (glutamate is used to reduce ammonia and this is a very important neurotransmitter so it's better to have " normal " levels, not low or high) and also would reduce the brain fog produce by ammonia... BUT! you still have to fix this process. I mean I imagine it should exist some medication to help someone get rid of this toxic ammonia from the body. I was reading that glucagon was used with success and was wondering why is always something about pancreas in all the things I read... Anyway, sorry my thoughts are so foggy it must be the ammonia )LOL Hope somebody will come with better ideas... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2002 Report Share Posted February 27, 2002 > Does anybody know what occurs when you have a very > high a-Ketoglutarate reading plus a high ammonia blood draw? Ammonia is detoxified in several ways in the body. One is that it gets stuck on alpha keto glutarate to make glutamine. If the enzyme that does this is on the fritz then these two would be elevated. Another is that is is combined with ornithine to make urea. Another is that it is excreted as ammonium ion in urine, which requires the urine to be acidic. Eating alkalanizing foods prevents the body from getting rid of ammonia this way. Ammonia generally comes from the metabolism of protein, so restricting dietary protein reduces the body's ammonia levels. of course this may conflict with other reasons you want to give him MORE protein.... >We are having > a stool analysis done for the second time to rule out another bacteria > infection, as you note. My son's doctor believes since his liver function > profile looked great, the high ammonia readings are either indicative of (1) > a bacteria infection, or (2) are the result of the blood not being sent to > the lab properly. There are very specific directions on putting the blood > immediately on ice. I have read that improper readings are found very very > often. Also, unfortunately, high ammonia readings can be indicative of a > major organ failure. Yes, it is both difficult to measure and potentially an indicator of serious problems. Lots of autistic children have high ammonia. You may wish to have a test done for ammonia at a local hospital where you don't have to worry about the blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 > Hello, > Does anyone know what typical ammonia levels for children are and > what it could mean if a child's is high. Also what could I find out > about bringing the ammonia down. > > Thank you > > If it is high their liver is screwed up, and the ammonia is screwing up their brain. You reduce it by restricting protein intake, feeding them alpha keto glutarate, by acidifying the urine and by chelating them. general liver support supplements may also help. Andy . .. . . . . . . . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 , You are absolutely right about the ammonia needing to be drawn and frozen that quickly. But, elevations are not necessarily indicative of a bacterial infection (but can be) and may be more indicative of a liver problem as Andy indicated and maybe even more of a kidney and pH problem. I know about this as my daughter Tasya had an ammonia problem recently which caused a sudden reassertion of her seizure activity. Whereas measurement of ammonia is difficult and because of the blood draw, traumatic, it can be ascertained by looking at a properly run organic acid in urine test. When we ran her test through MetaMetrix, we saw elevations of citrate (which is indicative of an arginine deficiency), orotate (which may be indicative of both an arginine and intracellular magnesium deficiency), and isocitrate an indicator of a breakdown in the Krebs cycle, specific to CoQ10, manganese, magnesium and possibly lipoic acid. Because of the elevations, she petite mal, drop seizures started up again. After running the test and making the necessary adjustments with her nutritional and meds, she has now become totally seizure free. Not only that, her eeg, which was very spiky, is essentially normal, much to the chagrin of her neurologist who is quite bewildered by what we did. What I posted is of course, just a microcosm of the issue of ammonia buildup and its neurotoxicity, but a paper outlining everything is being prepared with a number of MD's and Ph.D.'s I work with. As soon as it is ready I'll post it here. In health, Mark Schauss [ ] Ammonia > - ammonia levels are often high because the samples weren't taken > properly and/or sent to the lab properly. I found this out after having to > take 3 different blood draws! Only the third time was taken right, because > I was on their case and telling them how to do it, and it turned out normal. > Apparently they have to be drawn and spinned and put on ice within 20 > minutes. Anyway, if it really is high, it usually can be indicative of a > bacterial infection. Clearing up the bacteria infection often care of it. > As far as a supplement, taking 100 mg. Of alpha-ketoglutaric acid daily is > suppose to help. > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2002 Report Share Posted June 27, 2002 > , > > You are absolutely right about the ammonia needing to be drawn and frozen > that quickly. But, elevations are not necessarily indicative of a bacterial > infection (but can be) and may be more indicative of a liver problem as Andy > indicated and maybe even more of a kidney and pH problem. I know about this > as my daughter Tasya had an ammonia problem recently which caused a sudden > reassertion of her seizure activity. > > Whereas measurement of ammonia is difficult and because of the blood draw, > traumatic, it can be ascertained by looking at a properly run organic acid > in urine test. When we ran her test through MetaMetrix, we saw elevations > of citrate (which is indicative of an arginine deficiency), orotate (which > may be indicative of both an arginine and intracellular magnesium > deficiency), and isocitrate an indicator of a breakdown in the Krebs cycle, > specific to CoQ10, manganese, magnesium and possibly lipoic acid. Because > of the elevations, she petite mal, drop seizures started up again. After > running the test and making the necessary adjustments with her nutritional > and meds, she has now become totally seizure free. Not only that, her eeg, > which was very spiky, is essentially normal, much to the chagrin of her > neurologist who is quite bewildered by what we did. > > What I posted is of course, just a microcosm of the issue of ammonia buildup > and its neurotoxicity, but a paper outlining everything is being prepared > with a number of MD's and Ph.D.'s I work with. As soon as it is ready I'll > post it here. > > In health, > Mark Schauss > [ ] Ammonia > > > > - ammonia levels are often high because the samples weren't taken > > properly and/or sent to the lab properly. I found this out after having > to > > take 3 different blood draws! Only the third time was taken right, > because > > I was on their case and telling them how to do it, and it turned out > normal. > > Apparently they have to be drawn and spinned and put on ice within 20 > > minutes. Anyway, if it really is high, it usually can be indicative of a > > bacterial infection. Clearing up the bacteria infection often care of it. > > As far as a supplement, taking 100 mg. Of alpha-ketoglutaric acid daily is > > suppose to help. > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 OK: my son's carbon dioxide level tested low, ... will giving him bicarbonate up this? In what form? Thanks, Specifically, was deficient in sodium (40% off) and bicarbonate (carbon dioxide: 42% off). Levels of other electrolytes were too high, such as calcium (66% off) and phosphorus (43%). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 , it is too complicated for me to understand, I know what some things mean, but you have to look at the blood testing as a whole to be able to determine what needs to be done. Best, Carlton CJ Dir wrote: > > OK: my son's carbon dioxide level tested low, ... will giving him bicarbonate up this? > In what form? > Thanks, > > Specifically, > was deficient in sodium (40% off) and bicarbonate (carbon dioxide: > 42% > off). Levels of other electrolytes were too high, such as calcium (66% > off) > and phosphorus (43%). > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 You're brave. They'll go nuts. Of course, the problem is that people who actually think that DMSA and ALA are not great for our kids (like me) got off the A-M list because once you do the research you cannot carry on there. Even though there have been some helpful posts. ALA does have some good uses, however. I'm not saying it doesn't, and possibly the ALA in Brainchild for eg. is not going to harm anyone, only might help. Just don't know. There are risks, that's what I'm saying. When i went to the sources for what Dr. Kane is saying here, and what Andy and all them say on A-M, it all became much clearer that DMSA/ALA protocol, over long time with our kids is questionable. Of course, I haven't spent my life studying it. I just looked at what people on A-M said, what the people on other lists said, what the medical profession says, what the researchers say, then I made a decision. Then moved on. So when you read the A-M board, you will not be meeting people who moved on, so to speak. But go for it, by all means! I could be very wrong and so could lots of other people! Marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2003 Report Share Posted February 15, 2003 In a message dated 15/02/2003 12:33:56 GMT Standard Time, Martharolfe@... writes: > So when you read the A-M board, you will not be meeting people who moved on, > > so to speak. > But..................you may be meeting people who did move on............and then went back Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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