Alkanet Root powder

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Afternoon guys!

I know this may seem like a ssilly question, but.... In all these years

I've been making soap I have never used this sample of Alkanet root I have

here. Can anyone give me some destructions on how to go about using it?

I know you infuse it in oil.. But for a long time? Can I put it in the lye

water? What can I do

Thanks!

Shaye

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In a message dated 5/23/2007 1:38:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

luzimarrod@... writes:

If you get purple in the beginning it will stay a nice purple.

Hi Marisol,

Will the purple stay purple or will it fade in the sun also?

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Shaye,

You can steep Alkanet Root powder in oil. I use 1 tablespoon per pound of oil,

medium/light color. The longer you steep, the darker the color, up to a certain

point. Or you could add more than a tablespoon to get an even darker color.

You can cold steep the oil, just add powder, stir, and wait a day or two. Or you

can warm the oil ever so slightly, don’t toast the powder in the oil. It will be

ruined and smell bad. Ask me how I know, LOL!

Then you will have to filter it through a coffee filter, which is what I use, to

remove the residual powder because it can be very scratching if you leave it in

the CP, lotions, lip balms, etc. I leave a little in if I want to make an

exfoliating soap.

Once you have your oil, you can use it to color just about any product. It does

have a mild smell on it's own, so the more powder you use to get a darker color,

the stronger the smell, so keep that in mind if you plan on making lotions,

etc., without scent.

Also, it does not hold up well in sunlight. The sunlight will bleach the color

out, so your products have to be protected if you're doing a fair, etc.

Also, in time the nature color diminishes on it’s own and you'll wind up with an

tawny, somewhat mellow orange color, not the pretty rose, purple, maroon it

makes at the beginning.

If you want to make CP soap, you can just add the powder to the lye solution. It

will turn anywhere from purple to true blue depending on how alkaline your

solution is. I have only gotten blue once and then in after curing it turned a

dull, washed out purple. If you get purple in the beginning it will stay a nice

purple.

You can also just add the steeped oil as a superfat oil and mix.

What else? Um... Oh, it makes a mess if you get it on anything, put down lots of

newspaper. It does stain and sometimes depending on what you get it on, it won't

come out!

I can’t remember more now. If you have other questions let me know.

Marisol in Brooklyn

PS: Oh, I just remembered, I’ve never used it in M & P. I have used it in lip

balms, nice pretty pink, after a year, yucko color! Turns sooner in lotions,

about three or so months to that mellow orange color. I think the products with

water make it lose it color faster. I don't know if this is true, it just seems

that way to me.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to get the color to stick?!

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Afternoon guys!

I know this may seem like a ssilly question, but.... In all these years

I've been making soap I have never used this sample of Alkanet root I have

here. Can anyone give me some destructions on how to go about using it?

I know you infuse it in oil.. But for a long time? Can I put it in the lye

water? What can I do

Thanks!

Shaye

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In a message dated 5/23/2007 7:18:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

luzimarrod@... writes:

I've never experiement to see if CP soap faded, since I usually don't let the

sun hit any product if I'm doing a fair. It's just not good for the product,

regardless of what it is or if the color will fade

Hi Marisol,

I thought you meant that cp soap faded in the sun if you used the alkanet

root powder. I have some but I know it can be tricky to work with. Once I used

it to make a lavender soap and the color was grayish so I have stayed away

from it since. I have a canopy when I do fairs but is it the sun that fades it

or is it heat period?

Delores

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In a message dated 5/23/2007 12:56:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

shaye@... writes:

In all these years

I've been making soap I have never used this sample of Alkanet root I have

here. Can anyone give me some destructions on how to go about using it?

Shaye, just put your oil/alkanet mixture in a sunny window for a couple of

days before using in soap.

Beth

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In a message dated 5/23/2007 6:49:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

countrymeadowcreations@... writes:

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com/all-natural-lavrose-soap.htm

That's a beautiful soap, Colleen!

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This was my response to Shaye's question:

Shaye, I don't infuse mine when making soap. I add about a teaspoon

to a 1/2 ounce or so of avocado oil & stir. After I mix the lye water

with the melted oils I take a cup or so & mix it with the colored oil

for my swirls or layers. I make my soap in 3lb batches.

Here's what it looks like layered:

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com/all-natural-lavrose-soap.htm

Using more colorant makes the deep purple, if I use less it's more a

grayish purple.

I've never experienced the color fading as Marisol said. I've got a

bar of the soap from the pic that's over a year old and it's still the

same dark color.

Colleen

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

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Delores,

For which application are you talking about? Lotions, lip balms, etc., will

eventually turn another color, tawny to orange. That's why it's better to use

annato powder [sp?] if you want orange to begin with.

I've never tried it in salt and sugar scrubs.

I've never experiement to see if CP soap faded, since I usually don't let the

sun hit any product if I'm doing a fair. It's just not good for the product,

regardless of what it is or if the color will fade. The temps can get really hit

in the jars and bottles and it will start to degrade the product.

But I imagine that with nature colorings, with time, it will eventually fade

slightly. Since every nature colorant I've used, there is some slight fading.

I've have made soap with spinach powder, which is a bright green and once it

cures it turns to a straw green color, very nice.

I have seen M & P fade in the sun right in front of my eyes to the horror of

another soapers. She was so upset, she cried. She had no canopy to shade her

product. She had a lovely pink soap turn cream color.

I hope this helps.

Marisol in Brooklyn

PS: Dee, are you going to be at the 7th Heaven Fair in Brooklyn this June? I'm

thinking of participating, but I really haven't had much time to make soap. What

a bummer.

deecal@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/23/2007 1:38:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

luzimarrod@... writes:

If you get purple in the beginning it will stay a nice purple.

Hi Marisol,

Will the purple stay purple or will it fade in the sun also?

Delores

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Colleen,

It's good to know that it doesn't fade in CP. I meant in lotions, lip balms and

other products it does fade. I've had lotions and lip balms turn orange after a

few months. And after a year the lip balm turned a yucko color, like funcky

pumpkin or something.

Have you noticed if you place it in the sun, does it fade or has it stayed the

same? The CP, I mean, which is what Delores was asking also.

Was Shaye original question about CP or M & P, or lotions and potions?

I've confused myself... LOL! I need to have dinner!

Marisol in Brooklyn

PS: Love your swirls.

Colleen ston <countrymeadowcreations@...> wrote:

This was my response to Shaye's question:

Shaye, I don't infuse mine when making soap. I add about a teaspoon

to a 1/2 ounce or so of avocado oil & stir. After I mix the lye water

with the melted oils I take a cup or so & mix it with the colored oil

for my swirls or layers. I make my soap in 3lb batches.

Here's what it looks like layered:

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com/all-natural-lavrose-soap.htm

Using more colorant makes the deep purple, if I use less it's more a

grayish purple.

I've never experienced the color fading as Marisol said. I've got a

bar of the soap from the pic that's over a year old and it's still the

same dark color.

Colleen

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

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Colleen,

You have a wonderful site! Where do you get your mold for CP? Are your soaps

more square than retangular, or is my computer off a bit?

Colleen ston <countrymeadowcreations@...> wrote:

This was my response to Shaye's question:

Shaye, I don't infuse mine when making soap. I add about a teaspoon

to a 1/2 ounce or so of avocado oil & stir. After I mix the lye water

with the melted oils I take a cup or so & mix it with the colored oil

for my swirls or layers. I make my soap in 3lb batches.

Here's what it looks like layered:

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com/all-natural-lavrose-soap.htm

Using more colorant makes the deep purple, if I use less it's more a

grayish purple.

I've never experienced the color fading as Marisol said. I've got a

bar of the soap from the pic that's over a year old and it's still the

same dark color.

Colleen

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

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Marisol, I do CP.... But what I am going to try... I have been making some

primitive looking soaps for a woman, and so I am doing rebatching for these

.. I am going to add some Alkanet infused in a little OO to part of the

rebatch. I have it infusing now.

Shaye

Re: Re: Alkanet Root powder

Colleen,

It's good to know that it doesn't fade in CP. I meant in lotions, lip balms

and other products it does fade. I've had lotions and lip balms turn orange

after a few months. And after a year the lip balm turned a yucko color, like

funcky pumpkin or something.

Have you noticed if you place it in the sun, does it fade or has it stayed

the same? The CP, I mean, which is what Delores was asking also.

Was Shaye original question about CP or M & P, or lotions and potions?

I've confused myself... LOL! I need to have dinner!

Marisol in Brooklyn

PS: Love your swirls.

Colleen ston <countrymeadowcreati

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my response to Shaye's question:

Shaye, I don't infuse mine when making soap. I add about a teaspoon

to a 1/2 ounce or so of avocado oil & stir. After I mix the lye water

with the melted oils I take a cup or so & mix it with the colored oil

for my swirls or layers. I make my soap in 3lb batches.

Here's what it looks like layered:

http://www.countrym

<http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com/all-natural-lavrose-soap.htm>

eadowcreations.com/all-natural-lavrose-soap.htm

Using more colorant makes the deep purple, if I use less it's more a

grayish purple.

I've never experienced the color fading as Marisol said. I've got a

bar of the soap from the pic that's over a year old and it's still the

same dark color.

Colleen

http://www.countrym <http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com>

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Hi all,

Even if the sun doesn’t hit the product there are some colors that will

disappear. I know because I’ve had it happen to me. All products are under

the tent but the uv rays bounce around. The soaps most affected are M & P.

Jeanine

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Subject: Re: Alkanet Root powder

In a message dated 5/23/2007 7:18:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

HYPERLINK " mailto:luzimarrod%40 " luzimarrod (DOT) -com writes:

I've never experiement to see if CP soap faded, since I usually don't let

the

sun hit any product if I'm doing a fair. It's just not good for the product,

regardless of what it is or if the color will fade

Hi Marisol,

I thought you meant that cp soap faded in the sun if you used the alkanet

root powder. I have some but I know it can be tricky to work with. Once I

used

it to make a lavender soap and the color was grayish so I have stayed away

from it since. I have a canopy when I do fairs but is it the sun that fades

it

or is it heat period?

Delores

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> It's good to know that it doesn't fade in CP. I meant in lotions,

lip balms and other products it does fade.

Oh, sorry! LOL! I've never put my soap in the sun to test fading, so

I don't know about that. I don't do shows either, so no sun or

extreme heat exposure.

Colleen

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

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> Colleen,

>

> You have a wonderful site! Where do you get your mold for CP? Are

your soaps more square than retangular, or is my computer off a bit?

Thanks Marisol!!! The soaps in the pics are from my old cp loaf mold.

They were pretty odd cut because I can't cut straight to save my

life. I now use a 12 bar wood slab mold from Upland Soap Factory. It

has a silicone liner with cut lines & is super easy to use. They're

closed now because they're moving from CA to NC, yeah, closer &

hopefully cheaper shipping!!!

Here's the one I have:

http://www.uplandsoapfactory.com/store/product.php?productid=3 & cat=1 & page=1

Colleen

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

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> Once I used it to make a lavender soap and the color was grayish so

I have stayed away from it since.

Delores - Try it again, only use a bit more of the powder. My first

couple batches turned out grayish so I used more powder and they are

now a light purple (not as dark as the layers in my previous pic).

Colleen

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

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> That's a beautiful soap, Colleen!

Thanks a bunch Beth!!!

Colleen

http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

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Delores,

Depending on how much powder you steep in the oil is the color that you will

achieve.

A little makes a greyish purple color, more powder, darker color.

I've never experienment with CP to see if the alkanet root powder actually

fades, but other products have faded, my lotions have turned orange, lip balms

have faded to yucky pink dirt color, etc.

The nature colors tend to lose their colors faster. They all fade somewhat, some

say they don't notice the difference.

I'm going to try and see if this is true. I will make some CP with alkanet, cure

the bar and then leave it in the sun. I'll get back to everyone with my find.

Marisol in Brooklyn

deecal@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/23/2007 7:18:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

luzimarrod@... writes:

I've never experiement to see if CP soap faded, since I usually don't let the

sun hit any product if I'm doing a fair. It's just not good for the product,

regardless of what it is or if the color will fade

Hi Marisol,

I thought you meant that cp soap faded in the sun if you used the alkanet

root powder. I have some but I know it can be tricky to work with. Once I

used

it to make a lavender soap and the color was grayish so I have stayed away

from it since. I have a canopy when I do fairs but is it the sun that fades it

or is it heat period?

Delores

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