Guest guest Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Kiersten, I have been reading your posts and I just wanted you to know that I am praying for you and Alden. I am in Texas and in our district we have something called a BIP... Behavioral Intervention Plan....every child in 's class has one, it addresses behaviours and how those behaviours will be handled. I don't know if this is a state thing or just something our district does. Follow your gut. When started acting out, I took her to Texas Children's Hospital to be checked for abuse. She had not been sexually abused, but when it was all over with, we found out her step father had been abusive toward her. Lots of love and prayers :0)  Graham Kay Independent Sr. Beauty Consultant 832-816-7992 www.marykay.com/jendmoyers ________________________________ From: Kiersten <kiersten5560@...> < >; children_with_special_needs groups <children_with_special_needs > Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 8:58:45 PM Subject: Alden... again  I am going to have to do something and fast. Alden's behavior is getting worse. Something is terribly wrong in the classroom. I am about to lose my mind. Today, another substitute. I could tell Alden wasn't very sure about this guy. When I picked Alden up, the sub told me that Alden wasn't very good today. I asked if he hit or kicked and he said no, but that he didn't want to do his work. He also said that he " pulled his pants down " in class trying to scratch? Alden has NEVER done that in ANY other setting... WHY? THEN he says that Alden peed all over the floor in the bathroom? He doesn't do that at home, why is he doing that NOW? I cannot tell you all the crap going through my head right now but I am TICKED OFF. If he DID have an itchy butt cheek (it is possible, as he has dry skin and I DO sometimes have to tell him to take his hands out of the back of his pants) but for him to actually pull his pants down in class? Do you have any idea how LONG IT TAKES for him to DO THAT TASK? WHAT THE HECK? And Alden is SO well behaved usually. I mean, he didn't do this stuff rehearsing for the play, he doesn't do this stuff in other learning situations with other children... I am going to HAVE to call a meeting ASAP and get them on the ball! I am SO ANGRY! Sorry for yelling. Alden does not show any signs of molestation but you can BET that this has crossed my mind. Kiersten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2010 Report Share Posted December 8, 2010 Kiersten, too tired to think tonight, just got home from the DDD Santa party and the kids are NOT calming down.. surprise? not. Ok.. why subs so often? I would worry about that. Perhaps for a while, until they have a sub trained to work with Alden.. you might want to keep him home. I had to do that in elementary with Mav until they took it seriously that transitions cause disruption. On another note.. Logan participated in his 2nd grade Christmas program last week. He did a wonderful job at the program they gave for the students.. I'm told........... At the program for the parents.. he cried, screamed, refused to go on stage, and.. yup.. the one time they DID get him to go on stage.. he pulled down his pants. Ugh.. I think he was trying to readjust things since they had just had to change a stinky diaper.. but.. anyway, needless to say it did NOT go over well. The NEXT performance was at the mall.. guess who stayed home with mom while Daddy took Chip so HE could participate. I was in tears at the time, but I laugh now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Kiersten, I have been following your posts on Alden. I hope and pray you find a solution fast. Regarding Alden pulling his pants down, I thought this is something some children with DS would do, perhaps not all but my daughter Ana used to take all her cloths off no matter whether in public or at home. Once we were in a Burger King play ground and my three then small children were playing at the ball castle; then my two sons came rushing and scared yelling " Ana took all her cloths off " . I ran to rescue Ana because children were already laughing and looking astonished. Another time she took her cloths off and ran across the street. Those were very difficult times, and it took some time to overcome, but thank God they are over! She also would scratch her butt, not from the outside but would put her hands inside; kept reminding her not to do that. Now at 18 Ana does not have such behaviours, but I am still working on the way she sits on a chair at the dinner table: she crosses her legs like in a yoga position. One positive remark though, she does have better table manners than her two older brothers  Please keep us posted ! Bonnie (in Belgium) PS On the pain, I am finally feeling some relief from my knee pain; I got three shots of Ostenil plus --- El jue 9-dic-10, Kiersten <kiersten5560@...> escribió: De: Kiersten <kiersten5560@...> Asunto: Alden... again A: " " < >, " children_with_special_needs groups " <children_with_special_needs > Fecha: jueves, 9 de diciembre de 2010, 3:58  I am going to have to do something and fast. Alden's behavior is getting worse. Something is terribly wrong in the classroom. I am about to lose my mind. Today, another substitute. I could tell Alden wasn't very sure about this guy. When I picked Alden up, the sub told me that Alden wasn't very good today. I asked if he hit or kicked and he said no, but that he didn't want to do his work. He also said that he " pulled his pants down " in class trying to scratch? Alden has NEVER done that in ANY other setting... WHY? THEN he says that Alden peed all over the floor in the bathroom? He doesn't do that at home, why is he doing that NOW? I cannot tell you all the crap going through my head right now but I am TICKED OFF. If he DID have an itchy butt cheek (it is possible, as he has dry skin and I DO sometimes have to tell him to take his hands out of the back of his pants) but for him to actually pull his pants down in class? Do you have any idea how LONG IT TAKES for him to DO THAT TASK? WHAT THE HECK? And Alden is SO well behaved usually. I mean, he didn't do this stuff rehearsing for the play, he doesn't do this stuff in other learning situations with other children... I am going to HAVE to call a meeting ASAP and get them on the ball! I am SO ANGRY! Sorry for yelling. Alden does not show any signs of molestation but you can BET that this has crossed my mind. Kiersten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 It all may be avoidance behavior also. Micah has a Horrible year in first grade...and I do mean horrible. Like ALden he was acting out in ways that he NEVER did and has not since. That is when the proverbial,,,,,, hit the fan! Trust your gut. Go in and observe the classroom and at the meeting demand a behavioral analysis be done on him. It is your right under federal law so they have to do it ., If they refuse you are going to have to get an advocate or lawyer to go with you to school but Kiersten you Must make them do what they need to in order to find out what is happening with Alden. I found out things from Micah's next year teachers that set me on fire. They were deliberately allowing him to have melt downs and ignorning him in order to try and get him out of the classroom due to behavior. They didn't expect this mama bear though and I gathered my case slowly and methodically and then I stomped on em. I wish I was thetre to go to a meeting with you. I am so tired of schools saying they don't do this and that. My sister just told me that my great nephews school told her that they don't do seperate reading programs for kids. NOT!!!!!! We have a meeting on Monday to address this situation. I am so appalled at what they try to get away with. Go to your meeting and demand answers and get eveything you need put into his IEP (like a behavioral analysis and Behavioral intervention plan put into place) I feel so sorry for you because i know exactly what you are going through. i cried myself to sleep every single night when Micah was in this first grade classroom. I knew what they were doing but had to bide my time to get prood because Micah was basically non verbal at the time. Still doesn't tell me to much lol! Hang in there Kiersten. Have you tried called you Association for the help of retarted children. OOps they changed it I think to developmentally delayed. Look under your state listings and call them for help. Hope this helps.  Loree Alden... again  I am going to have to do something and fast. Alden's behavior is getting worse. Something is terribly wrong in the classroom. I am about to lose my mind. Today, another substitute. I could tell Alden wasn't very sure about this guy. When I picked Alden up, the sub told me that Alden wasn't very good today. I asked if he hit or kicked and he said no, but that he didn't want to do his work. He also said that he " pulled his pants down " in class trying to scratch? Alden has NEVER done that in ANY other setting... WHY? THEN he says that Alden peed all over the floor in the bathroom? He doesn't do that at home, why is he doing that NOW? I cannot tell you all the crap going through my head right now but I am TICKED OFF. If he DID have an itchy butt cheek (it is possible, as he has dry skin and I DO sometimes have to tell him to take his hands out of the back of his pants) but for him to actually pull his pants down in class? Do you have any idea how LONG IT TAKES for him to DO THAT TASK? WHAT THE HECK? And Alden is SO well behaved usually. I mean, he didn't do this stuff rehearsing for the play, he doesn't do this stuff in other learning situations with other children... I am going to HAVE to call a meeting ASAP and get them on the ball! I am SO ANGRY! Sorry for yelling. Alden does not show any signs of molestation but you can BET that this has crossed my mind. Kiersten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Behaviors and school seem to be the bain of existence. Demand a Functional Behavioral Analysis be done to use to create the Behavior Intervention Plan. The FBA will make them track behaviors to create data collection. It should tell you what behavior, when, where, how, possibly why the behaviors are occurring. Then they create a BIP. Do understand the BIP protects not only your child but the school district also. Currently I have a situation where my 12yo is getting suspended for " sexual " behavior. ex: Rolling his cold cuts up and saying that it is a penis and for doing the crotch grab and saying " look at me " . The school has gone so far as to say he can be arrested for " sexual misconduct " , needless to say we have a meeting on Wednesday the 15th to discuss with a whole bunch of people I've called. www.thearc.org is a good resource to get help for advocates and resources. They are nationwide. Also www.ndss.org has some good resources as does www.wrightslaw.org . School disctricts do not like informed parents Marcia Freeman kiersten5560@...; ; children_with_special_needs From: Loree5@... Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:03:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Alden... again It all may be avoidance behavior also. Micah has a Horrible year in first grade...and I do mean horrible. Like ALden he was acting out in ways that he NEVER did and has not since. That is when the proverbial,,,,,, hit the fan! Trust your gut. Go in and observe the classroom and at the meeting demand a behavioral analysis be done on him. It is your right under federal law so they have to do it ., If they refuse you are going to have to get an advocate or lawyer to go with you to school but Kiersten you Must make them do what they need to in order to find out what is happening with Alden. I found out things from Micah's next year teachers that set me on fire. They were deliberately allowing him to have melt downs and ignorning him in order to try and get him out of the classroom due to behavior. They didn't expect this mama bear though and I gathered my case slowly and methodically and then I stomped on em. I wish I was thetre to go to a meeting with you. I am so tired of schools saying they don't do this and that. My sister just told me that my great nephews school told her that they don't do seperate reading programs for kids. NOT!!!!!! We have a meeting on Monday to address this situation. I am so appalled at what they try to get away with. Go to your meeting and demand answers and get eveything you need put into his IEP (like a behavioral analysis and Behavioral intervention plan put into place) I feel so sorry for you because i know exactly what you are going through. i cried myself to sleep every single night when Micah was in this first grade classroom. I knew what they were doing but had to bide my time to get prood because Micah was basically non verbal at the time. Still doesn't tell me to much lol! Hang in there Kiersten. Have you tried called you Association for the help of retarted children. OOps they changed it I think to developmentally delayed. Look under your state listings and call them for help. Hope this helps. Loree Alden... again I am going to have to do something and fast. Alden's behavior is getting worse. Something is terribly wrong in the classroom. I am about to lose my mind. Today, another substitute. I could tell Alden wasn't very sure about this guy. When I picked Alden up, the sub told me that Alden wasn't very good today. I asked if he hit or kicked and he said no, but that he didn't want to do his work. He also said that he " pulled his pants down " in class trying to scratch? Alden has NEVER done that in ANY other setting... WHY? THEN he says that Alden peed all over the floor in the bathroom? He doesn't do that at home, why is he doing that NOW? I cannot tell you all the crap going through my head right now but I am TICKED OFF. If he DID have an itchy butt cheek (it is possible, as he has dry skin and I DO sometimes have to tell him to take his hands out of the back of his pants) but for him to actually pull his pants down in class? Do you have any idea how LONG IT TAKES for him to DO THAT TASK? WHAT THE HECK? And Alden is SO well behaved usually. I mean, he didn't do this stuff rehearsing for the play, he doesn't do this stuff in other learning situations with other children... I am going to HAVE to call a meeting ASAP and get them on the ball! I am SO ANGRY! Sorry for yelling. Alden does not show any signs of molestation but you can BET that this has crossed my mind. Kiersten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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