Sally Fallon and breastfeeding

[Guest guest]

Kenna, I have heard Sally respond to the breast-feeding questions several

times. As I read her, she is probably most offended in general by " diet

dictocrats " as well as all nutritional dogma that is not rooted in tradition or

good science.

She would probably challenge anyone who states that ALL mothers should

breastfeed, she would probably react against a set length of " politically

correct " years of nursing to get a A rating. I don't know. I bet it will come up

though in Wisconsin and I do hope people ask nicely.

Additionally, like all " gurus " in any and all movements, the guru will not be

ALL

THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE. No matter how hard they try, brilliant and

much-needed leaders will have " flaws " , " blind-spots " as well as their own

idiosyncracies. Frustrating but true, not everyone can be a god.

What I would hope is that EVEN IF SHE'S WRONG on this point, and I am not

saying she is at all, that people won't throw away her or the entire message. I

have seen this happen so often and it is always lose-lose.

Additionally, I have read Price's main book wherein the Traditional Nutrition

principles were derived and found his approach to be very HOLISTIC. He

took into consideration not only nutrition but lifestyle issues such as

exercise,

nursing, hygiene, mental health, climate, and others (the word STRESS

hadn't been invented yet). As I recall, the main factors in jaw formation was

about getting adequate nutrition for bones, teeth and full manifestation of the

genetics.

Will

[Guest guest]

Will,

Good point about not expecting anyone to be perfect (even ourselves-isn't

that reassuring!). I agree that no one person has ALL of the answers. We have

to use our intelligence and intuition to discern what is right for us. But we

still

can learn ALOT from each other.

Kathy

> Kenna, I have heard Sally respond to the breast-feeding questions several

> times. As I read her, she is probably most offended in general by " diet

> dictocrats " as well as all nutritional dogma that is not rooted in tradition

or

> good science.

>

> She would probably challenge anyone who states that ALL mothers should

> breastfeed, she would probably react against a set length of " politically

> correct " years of nursing to get a A rating. I don't know. I bet it will come

up

> though in Wisconsin and I do hope people ask nicely.

>

> Additionally, like all " gurus " in any and all movements, the guru will not be

ALL

> THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE. No matter how hard they try, brilliant and

> much-needed leaders will have " flaws " , " blind-spots " as well as their own

> idiosyncracies. Frustrating but true, not everyone can be a god.

>

> What I would hope is that EVEN IF SHE'S WRONG on this point, and I am

not

> saying she is at all, that people won't throw away her or the entire message.

I

> have seen this happen so often and it is always lose-lose.

>

> Additionally, I have read Price's main book wherein the Traditional Nutrition

> principles were derived and found his approach to be very HOLISTIC. He

> took into consideration not only nutrition but lifestyle issues such as

exercise,

> nursing, hygiene, mental health, climate, and others (the word STRESS

> hadn't been invented yet). As I recall, the main factors in jaw formation was

> about getting adequate nutrition for bones, teeth and full manifestation of

the

> genetics.

>

> Will

[Guest guest]

Here's an article from Mothering.com which addresses breastmilk

toxins if anyone is interested. I'm not promoting or criticizing it.

Just putting it out there:

http://www.mothering.com/12-0-0/html/12-1-0/dont-trash.shtml

[Guest guest]

Thanks Will. I am glad you said this. I was also getting worried that

Sally's wisdom was getting thrown out due to a disagreement on one issue.

You said it well. Whether she is right or wrong, we all have blind spots

and none of us can be a god.

Re: Sally Fallon and breastfeeding

> Kenna, I have heard Sally respond to the breast-feeding questions several

> times. As I read her, she is probably most offended in general by " diet

> dictocrats " as well as all nutritional dogma that is not rooted in

tradition or

> good science.

>

> She would probably challenge anyone who states that ALL mothers should

> breastfeed, she would probably react against a set length of " politically

> correct " years of nursing to get a A rating. I don't know. I bet it will

come up

> though in Wisconsin and I do hope people ask nicely.

>

> Additionally, like all " gurus " in any and all movements, the guru will not

be ALL

> THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE. No matter how hard they try, brilliant and

> much-needed leaders will have " flaws " , " blind-spots " as well as their own

> idiosyncracies. Frustrating but true, not everyone can be a god.

>

> What I would hope is that EVEN IF SHE'S WRONG on this point, and I am not

> saying she is at all, that people won't throw away her or the entire

message. I

> have seen this happen so often and it is always lose-lose.

>

> Additionally, I have read Price's main book wherein the Traditional

Nutrition

> principles were derived and found his approach to be very HOLISTIC. He

> took into consideration not only nutrition but lifestyle issues such as

exercise,

> nursing, hygiene, mental health, climate, and others (the word STRESS

> hadn't been invented yet). As I recall, the main factors in jaw formation

was

> about getting adequate nutrition for bones, teeth and full manifestation

of the

> genetics.

>

> Will

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Greetings! I have been on this list for several weeks. Just reading and

learning and enjoying the dialogue. This thread has inspired me to

speak up and to ask a couple questions. I found NT to be sorely lacking

in the feeding of babies. All babies must begin to eat solids at some

point. And aside from formula and egg yolks I didn't find much

information in NT. I know it can not be the " be all end all " book for

all people. I, however, am wondering about feeding my baby who is

finally showing interest in food and wants to feed himself. What would

be good food choices for a baby that doesn't want to be spoon fed? Most

of the options I have come up with are toast, bagel, pancakes, french

toast. Seems a little overboard in the grain department. When can

little ones start eating meat? Dairy? How is it prepared? I think I was

raised on jar baby food. My first child was primarily vegetarian as a

baby. He has eaten more tofu than I care to admit. I would like to

avoid that with son#2. Any ideas and feedback would be much appreciated.

As far as breast-feeding goes, I would like to put in my two cents. My

second son was born prematurely. No one has been able to tell me why.

He was under three pounds and was fed through an NG tube in his nose

for 6 weeks. I expressed breast milk and then we fed it to him through

this tube. I was allowed to hold him for one hour a day in the

beginning. Then two hours. Then three, etc. I was doing skin to skin

holding, called " kangaroo care " with him. I would always do the holding

during the feeding times so that he would associate full belly with my

smell and touch. As he gained weight and strength I would cradle hold

him and let him smell and mouth my nipple. As he gained more strength

he was able to suck. But he had to work on the suck-swallow-breath

method of nursing. Meanwhile he is being fed through his NG tube. I

called this his " free lunch " . Who said there is no such thing? Well, to

make a long story short, he finally caught on. I will never forget that

moment when he nursed for one solid minute without stopping. The sound

of a nursing newborn, it is the most beautiful sound I have ever heard.

That wasn't the end of the NG. He had to build up stamina and learn to

nurse long enough for it to be nutritional. In the hospital there is

a lot of bottling going on. This is because a lot of Mom's aren't there

with their babies enough to get the babies to learn how to nurse. Also,

if the mother is not there for every feeding then the baby either needs

an NG tube or to be bottled. Once introduced to the bottle babies often

prefer them, because they are easier. More milk, less work. The

hospital staff, does encourage Mom's to pump so that the babies are fed

breast milk. Science has proven the benefits of breast milk over

formula. However, apparently, breast over bottle has not been proven.

In any case I just wanted to put our story out there. I really think

babies and mom's need a lot of support postpartum. If my preemie had

been my first child and I had never nursed before I may not have been

as driven to nurse him. It may be natural but it can be very

challenging, even for full term babies with natural births. Most other

cultures have A LOT of support for new mothers. The women of the

community are there for one another and young girls are witnessing

births and nursing all there lives. We are lacking in our society.

Thanks for this list and all that participate.

-k