Re: Sleep naturally Eating melon, vegetables, weight loss and sleep deprivation

[Guest guest]

Those foods have anti-stress properties, I am aware of. But sugars,

even natural ones create some inflammations in the cell that are

starting to look not-so-good before sleep. Fasting for 4-6 hours

looks good.

I know people use the lactate substances from dairy (heated milk), and

herbs. These work pretty well for awhile, and of course sleeping

pills (narcotic, tranquilizer or the antidepressants like Trazodone)

are mostly a dead end (for HTN pts especially because of drug

interactions if not the eventual rebound effects). I am a severe apnea

pt. w/hyperalodsteronism & COPD. I have to use CPAP nightly, and that

makes dropping off harder.

The dairy preparations mostly rely upon melatonin, but that has had

respiratory problems. COPD & asthma pts cannot use. Other drug

interactions too. Botanical or " herbal " formulas like :

Active Ingredient Purpose Source

Valerian extract To promote restful sleep* Dried valerian (Valeriana

officinalis L.) root, certified organically grown

Skullcap extract To promote restful sleep* Dried skullcap (Scutellaria

lateriflora L.) herb, certified organically grown

Ingredient Purpose Source

Lemon extract Flavor Whole fresh lemon (Citrus limonum Risso.) fruit,

certified organically grown

California poppy extract Traditional sleep aid Fresh California poppy

(Eschscholzia californica Cham.) herb, certified organically grown

Lemon balm extract Traditional sleep aid Fresh lemon balm (

officinalis L.) herb, certified organically grown

Ginger extract Flavor Dried ginger (Zingiber officinale Roscoe) root,

certified organically grown

Vegetable glycerin Solvent/preservative Coconut and palm oils

Citric acid pH adjuster/stability Corn starch or molasses fermentation

Xanthan gum Suspending agent Fermentation of vegetable matter

Ascorbic acid Stability of active ingredients Citric acid from molasses

or vegetable palmitate

Benzoic acid Preservative Apples (Malus fusca)

or their individual components are hard to get accurate information

about inside the United States. There is an herbal (or " botanical " )

PDR (physician's Desk Reference, with most of our pharmaceuticals

cross-indexed too) in use in many countries, but you have to find a

doctor who is familiar with it. Usually they have practiced for a long

time somewhere like Peking, Teheran or Milan. Worth the effort,

though, because you can cut down experimenting and " adverse reactions. "

ESPECIALLY if you are taking meds. The teas you get in the

supermarket seem safest (Sleepy time, etc). Ordinary green tea is

loaded with L-theonine activity, which was Nature's (science journal)

#1 discovery for 2003. Very relaxing, a great natural sleep aid. It

suppresses cortisol, though, which may interfere with salts (Ns, K) or

other hormones.

University of Tucson is publishing some well-tested (single and double

blind protocall w/placebo and random sampling of participants from both

HTN as well as " normal " blood pressure communities) non-phramaceutical

techniques to BOTH lower BP & relax for sleep. The best one, they

report, is a traditional yogic breathing of holding tongue to roof of

mouth, and inhaling slowly via the nose to a count of " 4, " holding for

a count of " 7 " and exhaling w/pursed lips through the mouth to a count

of " 8, " then repeating 4 times. This lowers BP and keeps it down for

at least an hour with an amazing consensus of people--before bedtime it

helps sleep wonderfully. This seems to be associated with the

exercize's suppression of sugar and salt tugs-of-war that go on in all

metabolisms, and play havoc with us HTN pts. The counts are

approximately as long as one second, if you want to time it at first.

This has been used by a million times more people, to good effect then

anything invented by post-enlightenment science, since the second

millennium BCE, at least. No side effects, no interactions. Seems to

work as well as you do it. As often too. Many pulmonologists use it.

I can go into a doctor's office, they take my pressure, it is 180/90.

I do the four repetitions, and tell them to watch. 60 seconds after I

am done, pressure is 126/78. This works regardless of stress, exercize

or " white coat effect. " A 60 / 30 POINT DROP! An hour later it can go

back up, but for centuries (that historians & anthropologists know

about) the Chinese and central Asians did this 10-11 times a day, and

kept their BP low always.

Amazing, and easy to do anywhere!

Dave

On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 11:00 PM, airlinerg wrote:

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> I would like to know if eating a lot of melon and drinking orange

> juice is good regarding the DASH diet and hyperaldosteronism.

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> I seem to have a need for watermelon, orange juice, honeydew melon,

> almonds, and fresh fruit. I do like leafy green vegetables like

> kale and Chinese brocolli (which is different than American

> brocolli.) Also I do like terra chips, but the salt in them bothers

> me, so I stopped eating them. The vegetable I like chips from most

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> I know that I need to loose 30 pounds, but it seems like it is a

> battle and I am too tired to increase my exercise, and have severe

> insomnia and sleep deprivation.

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> Is there a nutritional cure for insomnia and sleep deprivation?

> Any referrals would be appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

The Yen Ching (2000BC) also mentioned that if too much salt is taken, the pulse

hardens and strokes appear.

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May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine

Professor of Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

[Guest guest]

Yes. My best friend had a ( " mild " ) stroke " appear " for the simple

reason that he hadn't had his pressure taken for almost 9 years. Too

afraid to go to the doc because of his alcohol habits/liver. Now on

HTN meds, it is 130/80. He was lucky. His Na consumption was

unbridled. The depression research people are starting to suspect

dietary NaCl in their trials' screenings. Different from serum Na,

which is complex and changing.

I read in one of those peer-review papers about aldo matters that

there are some people whose metabolism needs more serum Na in acute

circumstances, for reasons that interest the biochemistry speculation

dept, but the guy was saying were " still 90% mysterious. " NaCl

considered a primitive way to rise serum Na. Mostly I think it was

meds balancing speculation w/clinical stories--to avoid hyperkalemia.

Also, it spoke of the Na as medicine, not diet. I cannot find anything

using Na as diet for HTN. I do know the statistics-means, or " normals "

vary widely in different countries. Germany thinks normal, healthy BP

it is 140/90. 120/80 and they DO prescribe Na as diet. Why? Because

it raises pressure. And their death and disease rates from cardio and

pulmonary problems is identical to ours. I remember being in ER in

furt for passport checkup, and it was 120/80. They said " holen

Sie die salztablette! " Brought me one in a little paper cup. Same

scene in UC renal clinic : 145/89, and they brought me a clonidine in

the same kind of little cup.

Getting calcium oxylate stones? Take calcium carbonate daily say the

nephrologists. The oxygenated form of calcium excretes if there

isn't enough of the right form in daily serum cycle. A correlation

that is often right, clinically. Seems " homeopathic. " But that does

not prove out in all homeopathy. Complex variations. As Kuhn

warns the pharmocology research methods class, " often isn't always, for

all cases, and may be opposite for Fredrick on Tuesday. "

The dependent variable can be elusive, and some medical opinion

changes— sometimes several times—over 30 year periods.

Weird.

Dave

On Thursday, October 7, 2004, at 08:27 AM, lowerbp2@... wrote:

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> CE Grim MD

> Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine

> Professor of Epidemiology

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> Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

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[Guest guest]

The dependent variable can be elusive, and some medical opinion

changes— sometimes several times—over 30 year periods.

And of course knowledge changes over time as well.

What I try to do is when the facts change I change my mind. Would be good if

all Drs did this, but it is hard to change the facts in your mind if you dont

look at new data.

Suggest you read Denton's The Hunger for Salt and also pull all of Dr. Walter

Kempner's papers (Duke Rice diet fame) and read them.

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May your pressure be low!

CE Grim MD

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine

Professor of Epidemiology

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension