Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believ

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grice,

Never been called a rabble rouser. I am completely serious about

what I am writing, not just to cause a reaction but hopefully causing

you to question your core beliefs. If you have been in practice for

any period of time it may be difficult for you to question your

foundation. At this point, even if data were presented I doubt you

would change your theory/practice.

What you explained happened in your office today is exactly what I am

talking about. You reduced irritation and the person was able to

function. Unfortunately you did not know what you did. Let me ask

you, would you want to go to a brain surgeon that said what you have

said about his treatment?

Hope you are well,

The rabble rouser, D.C.

>

> Come on everyone quit responding to this rabble rouser. He is just

> baiting you, not giving you any firm data of which he professes to

> have knowledge of, and making you all give him data or research

> material to back up your rebuttal.

>

> I don't have any data to back up what happened in my office this

> morning, or any number of other days, but much like the lady whose

> foot stuck on the floor when she was walking and strained her low

> back, causing a fixation, malposition, subluxation, etc, etc, etc,

> causing her to limp, and walk antalgic to the right upon entering

my

> office, the adjustment quickly relieved her pain and she walked

> upright, and fairly pain free upon leaving 20 minutes later.

>

> Don't know what the hell I did, but it worked. Guess I don't know

> what I am doing either.

>

> Forget him and let him go on his way to work for Barret and the

> such.

>

> Grice, DC

> Albany, OR

>

[Guest guest]

We must all rebut intelligently or everyone will think we’re dumb and...

We’ll git stuk en Irak!

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: rongrice01 <rongrice@...>

Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 00:32:02 -0000

< >

Subject: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believ

Come on everyone quit responding to this rabble rouser. He is just

baiting you, not giving you any firm data of which he professes to

have knowledge of, and making you all give him data or research

material to back up your rebuttal.

I don't have any data to back up what happened in my office this

morning, or any number of other days, but much like the lady whose

foot stuck on the floor when she was walking and strained her low

back, causing a fixation, malposition, subluxation, etc, etc, etc,

causing her to limp, and walk antalgic to the right upon entering my

office, the adjustment quickly relieved her pain and she walked

upright, and fairly pain free upon leaving 20 minutes later.

Don't know what the hell I did, but it worked. Guess I don't know

what I am doing either.

Forget him and let him go on his way to work for Barret and the

such.

Grice, DC

Albany, OR

[Guest guest]

Dr. Welker,

Your comments are becoming more and more amusing. If you think a brain surgeon knows more about what he is doing than we do, you ARE delusional. Yes, it is true we know little of what actually happens as we work ...but anyone from our profession who has had their hands on bodys for any length of time knows full well that what we do, as WE do it, causes not only changes but positive change. But let me tell you, Doctor, my years as an OR nurse allowedme to understand that that brain surgeon actually knows LESS about what he is doing than we do, by FAR! He has NO concept of the primary respiratory mechanism and as far as cranial movement is concerned, he is seriously out to lunch.

my 2 cents.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: "correct_theory" <correct_theory@...> Subject: Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believDate: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:43:30 -0000Dr. Grice,Never been called a rabble rouser. I am completely serious aboutwhat I am writing, not just to cause a reaction but hopefully causingyou to question your core beliefs. If you have been in practice forany period of time it may be difficult for you to question yourfoundation. At this point, even if data were presented I doubt youwould change your theory/practice.What you explained happened in your office today is exactly what I amtalking about. You reduced irritation and the person was able tofunction. Unfortunately you did not know what you did. Let me askyou, would you want to go to a brain surgeon that said what you havesaid about his treatment?Hope you are well,The rabble rouser, D.C.>> Come on everyone quit responding to this rabble rouser. He is just> baiting you, not giving you any firm data of which he professes to> have knowledge of, and making you all give him data or research> material to back up your rebuttal.>> I don't have any data to back up what happened in my office this> morning, or any number of other days, but much like the lady whose> foot stuck on the floor when she was walking and strained her low> back, causing a fixation, malposition, subluxation, etc, etc, etc,> causing her to limp, and walk antalgic to the right upon enteringmy> office, the adjustment quickly relieved her pain and she walked> upright, and fairly pain free upon leaving 20 minutes later.>> Don't know what the hell I did, but it worked. Guess I don't know> what I am doing either.>> Forget him and let him go on his way to work for Barret and the> such.>> Grice, DC> Albany, OR>OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Sunny,

Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with a neurosurgeon, just

as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, I have

worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple does not

represent the bunch.

I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I have heard is

the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, why would I ask

such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problem is that

I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have to stand

under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set of theories, stay

quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope for change. I

haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess I will

choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective tool of

treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don't agree

with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become

frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we already have 2

camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation.

Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don't see

these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right, who do

we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn them all, and

practice a new one each day of the year.

Sorry, just venting.

Brad Welker, D.C.

[Guest guest]

Dr. s,

Thank you for your response.

I say there are two choices, this is what I choose. I have never said you could not continue what you were doing as a chiropractor, I have said over and over again that if by chance this information helps you to grow-great, if it strengthens your beliefs-great. I am speaking to those that will listen. If you are one of those-great.

I can give you years of clinical data, I practiced before I preached. I have never been trying to start a fight, only a discussion. What you make of this is your choice.

Again thank you for your discussion.

Brad Welker, D.C.

Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believ

Sunny,Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with a neurosurgeon, just as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, I have worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple does not represent the bunch. I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I have heard is the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, why would I ask such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problem is that I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have to stand under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set of theories, stay quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope for change. I haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess I will choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective tool of treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don't agree with

their religion. In changing any paradigm people become frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we already have 2 camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation. Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don't see these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right, who do we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn them all, and practice a new one each day of the year.Sorry, just venting.Brad Welker, D.C. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute

correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Y E S . . . Please send me your years of clinical data!!!

NOW WE'RE GETTING SOME WHERE!!! See, now you're approaching the "put-up or shut-up" phase of your professional evlolution. You're maturing already. See, this list-serve has taught you something already...

Please forward your "data" to:

M. s, D.C.

Family Chiropractic Center

2184 Broadway

North Bend, Oregon 97459

(541) 756-5120

Thank you!

Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believ

Sunny,Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with a neurosurgeon, just as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, I have worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple does not represent the bunch. I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I have heard is the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, why would I ask such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problem is that I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have to stand under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set of theories, stay quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope for change. I haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess I will choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective tool of treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don't agree with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we already have 2 camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation. Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don't see these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right, who do we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn them all, and practice a new one each day of the year.Sorry, just venting.Brad Welker, D.C. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Dr. s,

I understand that this issue may elicit many different responses, it

would seem you are angry. It makes sense, I am pulling the rug out

from under you. I am doing this to help you, no hurt you. I do not

mind sending you clinical data, in your current state I would doubt

you will look at it objectively.

Like I tell my kids, please calm down and take a deep breath, repeat

if necessary.

I will send you clinical data on my timing, not yours.

" put-up or shut-up " - you still have not addressed my statements or

questions. Whom is putting up and whom is shutting up?

Thanks for the input.

Brad Welker, D.C.

>

> Y E S . . . Please send me your years of clinical data!!!

>

>

> NOW WE'RE GETTING SOME WHERE!!! See, now you're approaching

the " put-up or shut-up " phase of your professional evlolution.

You're maturing already. See, this list-serve has taught you

something already...

>

> Please forward your " data " to:

>

> M. s, D.C.

> Family Chiropractic Center

> 2184 Broadway

> North Bend, Oregon 97459

> (541) 756-5120

>

> Thank you!

>

>

>

> Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we

must also believ

>

>

> Sunny,

>

> Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with a

neurosurgeon, just

> as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, I

have

> worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple does

not

> represent the bunch.

>

> I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I have

heard is

> the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, why

would I ask

> such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problem

is that

> I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have to

stand

> under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set of

theories, stay

> quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope for

change. I

> haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess I

will

> choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective tool

of

> treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don't

agree

> with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become

> frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we already

have 2

> camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation.

> Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don't

see

> these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right,

who do

> we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn them

all, and

> practice a new one each day of the year.

>

> Sorry, just venting.

>

> Brad Welker, D.C.

>

>

>

>

>

> OregonDCs rules:

> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the

listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal

attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up

anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy,

print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by

another member without his or her consent, unless all personal

identifiers have been removed.

>

[Guest guest]

You know, Dr. Welker, you would get further down the road by being graceful rather than impudent and appearing as though you are thumbing you nose at us, your brethern. Being new to the group, you might want to become acquainted before you systematically insult us because we don't appear to follow or want to get your point.

Sunny Kierstyn

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: "correct_theory" <correct_theory@...> Subject: Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believDate: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:45:14 -0000Dr. s,I understand that this issue may elicit many different responses, itwould seem you are angry. It makes sense, I am pulling the rug outfrom under you. I am doing this to help you, no hurt you. I do notmind sending you clinical data, in your current state I would doubtyou will look at it objectively.Like I tell my kids, please calm down and take a deep breath, repeatif necessary.I will send you clinical data on my timing, not yours."put-up or shut-up"- you still have not addressed my statements orquestions. Whom is putting up and whom is shutting up?Thanks for the input.Brad Welker, D.C.>> Y E S . . . Please send me your years of clinical data!!!>>> NOW WE'RE GETTING SOME WHERE!!! See, now you're approachingthe "put-up or shut-up" phase of your professional evlolution.You're maturing already. See, this list-serve has taught yousomething already...>> Please forward your "data" to:>> M. s, D.C.> Family Chiropractic Center> 2184 Broadway> North Bend, Oregon 97459> (541) 756-5120>> Thank you!>>>> Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition wemust also believ>>> Sunny,>> Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with aneurosurgeon, just> as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, Ihave> worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple doesnot> represent the bunch.>> I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I haveheard is> the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, whywould I ask> such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problemis that> I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have tostand> under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set oftheories, stay> quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope forchange. I> haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess Iwill> choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective toolof> treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don'tagree> with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become> frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we alreadyhave 2> camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation.> Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don'tsee> these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right,who do> we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn themall, and> practice a new one each day of the year.>> Sorry, just venting.>> Brad Welker, D.C.>>>>>> OregonDCs rules:> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of thelistserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personalattacks on listserve members will be tolerated.> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end upanywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy,print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written byanother member without his or her consent, unless all personalidentifiers have been removed.>

[Guest guest]

Sunny,

I am sorry if you have taken my dialogue this way. I agree I have been

a bit of a smart A** but it is not as though the comments to me have

been purely professional and nice.

Again sorry if I have insulted you or your intelligence, I look forward

to future discussion ( without the negativity).

Thanks,

Brad Welker, D.C.

[Guest guest]

I don't have time or the patience for this continuing baiting. The dialogue can be interesting but this is more than that. Brad baits and we bite. Seems repetitive and pointless. It will go on as long as we continue to take offense or try to set Brad 'right'!

Colwell, DC

Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition wemust also believ>>> Sunny,>> Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with aneurosurgeon, just> as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, Ihave> worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple doesnot> represent the bunch.>> I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I haveheard is> the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, whywould I ask> such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problemis that> I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have tostand> under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set oftheories, stay> quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope forchange. I> haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess Iwill> choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective toolof> treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don'tagree> with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become> frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we alreadyhave 2> camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation.> Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don'tsee> these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right,who do> we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn themall, and> practice a new one each day of the year.>> Sorry, just venting.>> Brad Welker, D.C.>>>>>> OregonDCs rules:> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of thelistserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personalattacks on listserve members will be tolerated.> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end upanywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy,print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written byanother member without his or her consent, unless all personalidentifiers have been removed.>

[Guest guest]

If you want a discussion, you need to supply data ... otherwise all you are doing with us is playing ... and not in a fun manner.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: Brad Welker <correct_theory@...> Subject: Re: Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believDate: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:39:35 -0800 (PST)

Dr. s,

Thank you for your response.

I say there are two choices, this is what I choose. I have never said you could not continue what you were doing as a chiropractor, I have said over and over again that if by chance this information helps you to grow-great, if it strengthens your beliefs-great. I am speaking to those that will listen. If you are one of those-great.

I can give you years of clinical data, I practiced before I preached. I have never been trying to start a fight, only a discussion. What you make of this is your choice.

Again thank you for your discussion.

Brad Welker, D.C.

Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believ

Sunny,Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with a neurosurgeon, just as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, I have worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple does not represent the bunch. I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I have heard is the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, why would I ask such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problem is that I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have to stand under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set of theories, stay quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope for change. I haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess I will choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective tool of treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don't agree with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we already have 2 camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation. Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don't see these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right, who do we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn them all, and practice a new one each day of the year.Sorry, just venting.Brad Welker, D.C. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Sunny,

Not trying to have fun with you, supplied some info/data.

Let me know what you think,

Brad Welker, D.C.

[Guest guest]

Me too, DONE!

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St. #6Portland, OR 97211Ph: 503-788-6800c: 503-889-6204

Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition wemust also believ>>> Sunny,>> Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with aneurosurgeon, just> as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, Ihave> worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple doesnot> represent the bunch.>> I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I haveheard is> the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, whywould I ask> such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problemis that> I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have tostand> under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set oftheories, stay> quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope forchange. I> haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess Iwill> choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective toolof> treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don'tagree> with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become> frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we alreadyhave 2> camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation.> Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don'tsee> these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right,who do> we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn themall, and> practice a new one each day of the year.>> Sorry, just venting.>> Brad Welker, D.C.>>>>>> OregonDCs rules:> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of thelistserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personalattacks on listserve members will be tolerated.> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end upanywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy,print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written byanother member without his or her consent, unless all personalidentifiers have been removed.>

[Guest guest]

Dude! Step off. You don't throw anybody off this list serve, or silence anyone, or limit anyone's rights, or sensor ANYONE! Who the H**L do you think you are!?!?

You're not teaching anyone anything they don't know. That's everyone's point to you. You've cited OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK, and so has multiple people on this list serve. None of what anyone cites is NEW! It's been around, hashed, and re-hashed in seminars for YEARS!

So I ask you directly...if you're not on this list serve to EDUCATE us...what are you doing on it? This is a medium for exchange of information! Put out what ya got, and move on. Enjoy the community! Everyone can learn (hopefully).

(:-)

Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believ

Sunny,Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with a neurosurgeon, just as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, I have worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple does not represent the bunch. I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I have heard is the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, why would I ask such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only problem is that I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have to stand under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set of theories, stay quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope for change. I haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess I will choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective tool of treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you don't agree with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we already have 2 camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation. Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don't see these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is right, who do we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn them all, and practice a new one each day of the year.Sorry, just venting.Brad Welker, D.C. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Dr. s,

Thank you for your response. Again, I may be taking this out of

context but it seems you may be angry? If I am wrong please forgive

me. If you already knew everything I have said than we must be in

full agreement and in this case there is no need to be angry.

Thank you for taking my side.

Brad Welker, D.C.

>

> Dude! Step off. You don't throw anybody off this list serve, or

silence anyone, or limit anyone's rights, or sensor ANYONE! Who the

H**L do you think you are!?!?

>

> You're not teaching anyone anything they don't know. That's

everyone's point to you. You've cited OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK, and so

has multiple people on this list serve. None of what anyone cites is

NEW! It's been around, hashed, and re-hashed in seminars for YEARS!

>

> So I ask you directly...if you're not on this list serve to EDUCATE

us...what are you doing on it? This is a medium for exchange of

information! Put out what ya got, and move on. Enjoy the

community! Everyone can learn (hopefully).

>

> (:-)

>

>

> Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition

we must also believ

>

>

> Sunny,

>

> Sorry to hear you had a negative experience with a

neurosurgeon, just

> as in any profession there are good and bad. Thankfully, I

have

> worked with many good and few imbetween. One bad apple does

not

> represent the bunch.

>

> I am actually very willing to learn, at this point all I have

heard is

> the same bunch of statements over and over. Who am I, why

would I ask

> such a question, why disrupt our happy home. The only

problem is that

> I also live there, the banner that the DC's wave I also have

to stand

> under. I have 2 choices, 1)bow down to a flawed set of

theories, stay

> quiet and be a good DC, 2)Challenge the system and hope for

change. I

> haven't even gotten to evaluation or treatment yet. I guess

I will

> choose 2 because I believe in manipulation as an effective

tool of

> treatment. This is kind of like telling your parents you

don't agree

> with their religion. In changing any paradigm people become

> frustrated, angry, etc. The funny thing is that we already

have 2

> camps within our profession, misalignment and fixation.

> Unfortunately, one does not equal the other. Weird, we don't

see

> these people disagreeing. So many theories, everyone is

right, who do

> we follow. Gonstead? MPI? ? Guess best to just learn them

all, and

> practice a new one each day of the year.

>

> Sorry, just venting.

>

> Brad Welker, D.C.

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