Guest guest Posted March 2, 2006 Report Posted March 2, 2006 Hello listmates, i thought that I might bring up a topic that comes up at the clinic quite a bit, and get your takes on it as well. The pay scale and benefits provided to associate docs. it has slowly been improving, but it is still absolutely pathetic when compared to the other heath cae professions with a similar amount of training. The best offer I have seen was in Twin Falls, Idaho and was 75k + full paid benefits to start. this is at the low end of dentists starting salaries (75 - 110k)and even lower that the optometrists (95 - 125k). Physical Therapists report greater starting saleries, (55 - 85k), but at least we are starting to get a little closer. As for some offers that a few docs should be ashamed of themselves for offering, the worst was an offer that one of my interns received recently, at 22,500, no benefits, 50 - 60 hrs a week. That is about 7.50 an hour, just over the minimum wage! Another was offered 13.50 an hr, no benefits. The average graduate is carrying 135 to 160 thousand in debt, just from Chiropractic College, with many carrying similar debts from undergrad. The minimum payments nowdays are 600 - 1000 a month, how could anyone even start to pay the loans with such a ridiculous offer? In the defense of some folks, I realize that when some older docs graduated, those were probably very good offers, and that we tend to get " locked into " what we think things should cost (cars, houses, etc..)and what we should have to pay. Some like to compare our first few years to a medical doctor's residency period, however the breakdown in that argument is that to do so, we would have to never have adjusted a patient until we were out school, only learning the principles involved, not the practice. Perhaps similar to a surgical resident, who might not perform a procedure until their 2nd year. I realize that comparison is a stretch, but I use it to better illustrate my point. Often docs offer such ridiculous low salaries in conjunction with an offer to " teach " the young doctor, of which the subject of that " teaching " can vary. I can honestly say that no one that I have ever met, has said that their " education " that they learned during their associateship made up in anyway for their working situation. I myself learned how not to practice, how not to treat my patients, how not to treat my staff, and how not document improperly. I do suppose that learning all of the things that you don't want to do is valuable, but not at the price many are asked to pay. Some at this point may also use the argument that we are " giving back to the profession " by laboring for such a ridiculous wage, but what many that might use that argument fail to realize is that, The majority of students whom enter Chiropractic College today have no " Chiropractic story " , they simply have chosen to go to school, with many never even treated by a Chiropractor before. As they owe nothing to our profession, how can they be asked to give back to it? If any of us should be asked to give back, it should be the senior docs whom have benefited greatly during their careers, by taking care of those who work them. Things need to change, and we as profession need to start taking care of our newer docs, instead of consistently taking advantage of the position they are often in. By improving the working situation, we may begin to retain our best and brightest students, many of whom are currently leaving the schools in droves, mostly due to the inferior position our profession is in currently, and what our profession has to offer these current and prospective students when compared to the other health care professions. What does it say about us when the average dental hygienist makes more than the average associate? two years of school versus seven or eight? The quality of the average student has increased dramatically with the higher admissions requirements, and instead of dealing with students that might not be right for other opportunities, now we need to be able to compete successfully for these students, instead of losing them to medicine, dentistry, optometry, and such. I greatly appreciate your input and experiences, Jaysun Frisch, D.C. Western States Chiropractic College Outpatient Clinic. Quote
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