Behaviour problems

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

This is very interesting, we notice the same behaviors with our son who is

13. He is fully included in school, but outside of school he is involved in

activities with other children with sp needs. His best friend has CP and we

will often catch Mav walking like and holding his arms in an upright

stiff position. When he would practice for Sp O with the school, he would take

on flapping behaviors of another child. And when we have challenger baseball

or are around other children with sp needs he talks baby talk and walks and

flaps his arms in a very irregular manner.

Other than that, he has typical behaviors.

Funny thing, one day we were at a Walmart and he was walking along holding my

hand and talking just fine. Then he saw a couple of girls and while he still

held my hand, he started this strut walk like , " I'm cool! " . It was so

funny, but here we go with the puberty thing again. We have our foster son who

is 8 back again and he is a great role model for Mav (most of the time.) The

boys are inseparable and have so many of the same interests.

M.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

tcasten@... writes:

> " There are good data showing that if you identify kids at an earlier age

> who are aggressive, you can intervene ... and change their trajectory. "

> --

>

Well sure. Maybe if HE had gotten mind altering pharmaceuticals in time we

wouldn't be in Iraq, but what about the rest of us?

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone else had had this problem, and if so how

they have dealt with it.

Our 20yo son with d/s, has this year taken to mimicking the

behaviour of an autistic person at his day program. This behaviour

includes, shaking/flicking of his hands continually, staring into

space while talking and answering himself (in someways this is good

for Trent as he is talking more!), holds his hand in a way that

looks as if he has problems with his wrist, and hasn't the strength

to hold his school bag, and has even had one of this taxi drivers

assist him in walking into his program - Trent has never had any

physical problems.

During the last school vacation this copying more or less stopped,

but quickly became apparent in the first week back. Since then, we

have been working on this firstly at home, by being cross and

explaining that it is not the thing do, have also kept him home from

program on bowling day. This appears to have worked a bit,

basically he doesn't shake/flick at home, will sometimes talk to

himself but not often, get him away from us and he has a field day -

the staff at program are working on a behaviour chart - at the end

of the week if the 8 bowling pictures have been taken away no

bowling - he is to stay at home, but I am starting to think that he

should still go but not participate but watch the group bowl. I do

feel though we may succeed at home and program, but not sure how we

will go in the greater community ie. independant travel.

If any one has suggestions or thoughts we would be extrememly

greatful.

Thanks

Jan, mother of Trent, 20yo w/DS - from the land of Oz.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

A reminder of what typed on:

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 09:26:41 GMT EDT

> Hi Jan,

> This is very interesting, we notice the same behaviors with our son who is

> 13. He is fully included in school, but outside of school he is involved in

> activities with other children with sp needs. His best friend has CP and we

> will often catch Mav walking like and holding his arms in an upright

> stiff position. When he would practice for Sp O with the school, he would

take

> on flapping behaviors of another child. And when we have challenger baseball

> or are around other children with sp needs he talks baby talk and walks and

> flaps his arms in a very irregular manner.

> Other than that, he has typical behaviors.

> Funny thing, one day we were at a Walmart and he was walking along holding my

> hand and talking just fine. Then he saw a couple of girls and while he still

> held my hand, he started this strut walk like , " I'm cool! " . It was so

> funny, but here we go with the puberty thing again. We have our foster son

who

> is 8 back again and he is a great role model for Mav (most of the time.) The

> boys are inseparable and have so many of the same interests.

> M.

Thats OK, the dictatorship we have in the White House is going to take care of

these behavior problems.

Bush to screen population for mental illness

Sweeping initiative links diagnoses to treatment with specific drugs

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

President Bush plans to unveil next month a sweeping mental health initiative

that recommends screening for every citizen and promotes the use of expensive

antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs favored by supporters of the

administration.

The New Freedom Initiative, according to a progress report, seeks to integrate

mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing " services in the

community, rather than institutions, " the British Medical Journal reported.

Critics say the plan protects the profits of drug companies at the expense of

the public.

The initiative began with Bush's launch in April 2002 of the New Freedom

Commission on Mental Health, which conducted a " comprehensive study of the

United States mental health service delivery system. "

The panel found that " despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go

undiagnosed " and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for

" consumers of all ages, " including preschool children.

The commission said, " Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and

childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviors and emotional disorders. "

Schools, the panel concluded, are in a " key position " to screen the 52 million

students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.

The commission recommended that the screening be linked with " treatment and

supports, " including " state-of-the-art treatments " using " specific medications

for specific conditions. "

The Texas Medication Algorithm Project, or TMAP, was held up by the panel as a

" model " medication treatment plan that " illustrates an evidence-based practice

that results in better consumer outcomes. "

The TMAP -- started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the

pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas and the mental health and

corrections systems of Texas -- also was praised by the American Psychiatric

Association, which called for increased funding to implement the overall plan.

But the Texas project sparked controversy when a Pennsylvania government

employee revealed state officials with influence over the plan had received

money and perks from drug companies who stand to gain from it.

, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General

says in his whistleblower report the " political/pharmaceutical alliance " that

developed the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive

antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, was behind the recommendations of the

New Freedom Commission, which were " poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a

comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented

medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects, and to force

private insurers to pick up more of the tab. "

points out, according to the British Medical Journal, companies that

helped start the Texas project are major contributors to Bush's election funds.

Also, some members of the New Freedom Commission have served on advisory boards

for these same companies, while others have direct ties to TMAP.

Eli Lilly, manufacturer of olanzapine, one of the drugs recommended in the plan,

has multiple ties to the Bush administration, BMJ says. The elder President Bush

was a member of Lilly's board of directors and President Bush appointed Lilly's

chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, to the Homeland Security Council.

Of Lilly's $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000, 82 percent went to

Bush and the Republican Party.

Another critic, Whitaker, journalist and author of " Mad in America, " told

the British Medical Journal that while increased screening " may seem

defensible, " it could also be seen as " fishing for customers. "

Exorbitant spending on new drugs " robs from other forms of care such as job

training and shelter program, " he said.

However, a developer of the Texas project, Dr. Graham Emslie, defends screening.

" There are good data showing that if you identify kids at an earlier age who are

aggressive, you can intervene ... and change their trajectory. "

--

Tim Casten,ZDC

National Air Traffic Controllers Association

[Guest guest]

We have heard that the teacher at 's new school is really good at

extinguishing those kinds of inappropriate behaviors. That's another reason to

move. The teachers at his current school just looked at us like " we're sorry

but that's tough. " rubs his hands together very quickly and makes this

growling noise. He didn't do any of this until he was in a class with a child

with PDD. He mimics this child. He tells the other boy " stop that noise!! " and

then makes it himself. We never had this problem in an inclusive setting.

Elaine

Behaviour problems

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone else had had this problem, and if so how

they have dealt with it.

Our 20yo son with d/s, has this year taken to mimicking the

behaviour of an autistic person at his day program. This behaviour

includes, shaking/flicking of his hands continually, staring into

space while talking and answering himself (in someways this is good

for Trent as he is talking more!), holds his hand in a way that

looks as if he has problems with his wrist, and hasn't the strength

to hold his school bag, and has even had one of this taxi drivers

assist him in walking into his program - Trent has never had any

physical problems.

During the last school vacation this copying more or less stopped,

but quickly became apparent in the first week back. Since then, we

have been working on this firstly at home, by being cross and

explaining that it is not the thing do, have also kept him home from

program on bowling day. This appears to have worked a bit,

basically he doesn't shake/flick at home, will sometimes talk to

himself but not often, get him away from us and he has a field day -

the staff at program are working on a behaviour chart - at the end

of the week if the 8 bowling pictures have been taken away no

bowling - he is to stay at home, but I am starting to think that he

should still go but not participate but watch the group bowl. I do

feel though we may succeed at home and program, but not sure how we

will go in the greater community ie. independant travel.

If any one has suggestions or thoughts we would be extrememly

greatful.

Thanks

Jan, mother of Trent, 20yo w/DS - from the land of Oz.

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