Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 During the resveratol discussion, I mentioned that the " natural history " of most " miracle " supplements is that they come and go and known of them have ever lasted. Now, another one, very popular a few years back, with everyone jumping on the bandwagon to test for the need and recommend it, fails. Regards Jeff this is why we have to err on the side of caution in all and any recommendations for supplements. Another popular supplement we have and have been recommeding has been shown to be worthless Jeff (and the team) Cremation of the homocysteine hypothesis: Another folic-acid trial fails to impress Nov 13, 2006 Nainggolan Chicago, IL - Yet another study has shown no benefit of folic acid and B vitamins in the secondary prevention of cardiovascular events [1]. Dr M Albert (Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, MA) reported the findings of the Women's Antioxidant and Folic Acid Cardiovascular Study (WAFACS) in a late-breaking clinical-trial session here today. There was no benefit of the supplements in a subgroup of high-risk primary-prevention patients, either. The hypothesis that folic-acid/vitamin-B supplementation leads to a reduction in homocysteine and a subsequent lowering of cardiovascular events has already been declared " dead " as a result of a number of randomized studies that failed to show any benefit, including HOPE-2, NORVIT, and VISP. " At this point, all of the data suggest that taking folic acid and B vitamins specifically to prevent heart disease is not effective, and if you are taking them just for cardiovascular-disease prevention, you may want to stop, " Albert told a press conference. However, she emphasized that there has been no suggestion of harm in any of the studies and that there are other, noncardiac reasons to take these supplements. Albert and colleagues were also able to examine the effect of folic-acid fortification of foods in the US because baseline blood samples were taken from the women before the mandate to fortify foods, during the late 1990s. Fortification did not appear to account for the null findings in their study. No difference between groups in any of the end points WAFACS was a randomized controlled study comparing the effects of placebo with a daily combination of 2.5 mg folic acid, 50 mg vitamin B6, and 1 mg vitamin B12—the same regimen used in HOPE-2—in reducing the risk of major cardiovascular events over seven years in 5442 female health professionals participating in the larger Women's Antioxidant Cardiovascular Study (WACS). Participants were over the age of 40, and two thirds of them had a history of CVD; the remainder had three or more risk factors (high-risk primary-prevention subgroup). The primary end point was a combined outcome of MI, stroke, revascularization, or cardiovascular death. Over an average of 7.29 years of follow-up, there was no difference in the primary end point between the active-treatment group and those receiving placebo (RR 1.03; p=0.65), nor was there any difference between the two groups in any of the secondary end points. Fortification of food does not explain absence of benefit When they tried to tease out the effects of fortifying food with folic acid in a subsample of 300 participants, the researchers found that there was an increase in folic-acid concentration in the placebo group as a result of fortification, but this increase was not sufficient to affect homocysteine levels, which were identical in the placebo group at baseline and at the end of follow-up. In contrast, those in the active-treatment group had much higher folic-acid levels at the end of follow-up, translating into 18% lower homocysteine levels (10.0 µmol/L at the end of the study compared with 12.2 µmol/L at baseline; p<0.001), but this still did not translate into any benefit in terms of CVD. This seems to support the idea that homocysteine is a marker for preexisting CVD rather than a risk factor in itself, Albert said. Will the AHA changes guidelines? The discussant of the study, Dr Rita F Redberg (University of California, San Francisco), said that the study was valid and that it provided a definitive answer to the question posed. But whether this will change behavior is a different matter, she said. " People are given a false sense of security by taking vitamins, which cost money, and then thinking they don't need to eat healthily or do exercise, " she lamented. " We have learned an important lesson. One is reminded of what we learned from HRT—the importance of randomized clinical trials to test hypotheses generated by experimental and observational data. " She added that it was " likely " that the AHA will change its guidelines on folic acid and B vitamins as a result of this and other studies. Source Albert C. A randomized trial of folic acid and B-vitamins in the secondary prevention of cardiovascular events in women: Results from the Women's Antioxidant and Folic Acid Cardiovascular Study (WAFACS). American Heart Association 2006 Scientific Sessions; November 13, 2006; Chicago, IL. PS.03.Late-Breaking Clinical Trials I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 I agree that these fads come and go. It's especially suspicious when the supplement in question seems to be the " miracle " cure all or the fountain of youth. IIRC a couple of years ago, it was alpha lipoic acid taken with another supplement whose name escapes me (but which I still have plenty of in my pantry). When I began CRON, guar was touted as the way to appease hunger (and I still have plenty of that in my closet). Although at least guar was not touted as a miracle, just an appetite suppressant (and in my case it failed to do that). Although I'm drinking my wine and no longer feel guilty having an extra glass of wine or two, it's hard to believe that this is indeed the fountain of youth. Still the studies posted are impressive. on 11/14/2006 3:36 PM, Jeff Novick at chefjeff40@... wrote: During the resveratol discussion, I mentioned that the " natural history " of most " miracle " supplements is that they come and go and known of them have ever lasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 >IIRC a couple of years ago, it was alpha > lipoic acid taken with > another supplement whose name escapes me Juvenon based on the research of Bruce Ames Acetyl L Carnitine and Alpha Lipoic Acid.. " made the mice get up and do the Macarena " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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