Re: attitudes about bad diet/poor health/cynical marketing etc.

[Guest guest]

I want to thank Mike for commenting on the natural human tendency to feel

superior.

I've just begun moderating the group/emails and have felt concern about the

level of

disdain for our culture, government, whatever..... There are may things NOT to

like about

about our culture, marketing, food suppliers, etc. , but this is really

preaching to the choir

to talk this way and, kind of offensive to someone just checking in since, it's

at least

somewhat off-target and not about the solution : beginning with individual

choice &

education of ourselves/those we love.

I don't think it's likely for things to change that much in the larger culture

though that

would be great. If it is to happen it begins with groups like this one. But

to simply be

one more intellectually " gated community " , not focussed on how to help spread

the

word/educate/learn then I'm not sure it's productive discussion. You can say:

get out of

the kitchen if you can't stand the heat " but, I can only say back that if we're

superior in our

attitude whom do we draw in with that ?

I know there's lots of good info in this group's files/online: so I'm

discovering. I'd just like

to acknowledge that surely the best we can offer is a truly different atttitude

about life that

this group is about: being a responsible choicemaker; moving away from addiction

in all

aspect of life [food's a good place to start!!]; becoming a more discriminating

person

about all the messages our culture gives us: becoming more awake !

I can be a real snotty person, struggle with it all the time; this is a place

where I'd like to

practice my best capacities to learn, teach and: becoming more awake/alive.

too blunt ?.....

Steve/fursnaker

> 1. It's stupid and mechanistic (dare I say Newtonian or Ptolomeic?)

> to assume that there are not substantial differences among

> individuals in the actual amount of caloric intake that is

> accumulated by the body. Maybe even the same person when he's thin

> or fat.

>

> I'm speaking here of a typical chemical engineering energy balance:

> accumulation = input-output. As JW has argued eloquently, we need to

> account for all of the outputs. The first law of thermodynamics

> remains fully intact, but there are more things in Heaven and

> Earth...than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

>

> 2. There seem to be some among us with a sense of superiority to

> those who are addicted (maybe physically) to the crap pushed

> relentlessly by Big Food (owned in certain instances by Big Tobacco,

> experts at hooking people by tainting their products). I find this

> unseemly.

>