RE: OBCE Rule Changes Minga

[Guest guest]

Minga,

Thanks for the clarification. I have little doubt of your commitment or dedication to the profession and am confident that we are probably better off with the likes of you on the board. However, I still am apprehensive about the idea that the board works for the benefit of the profession aside from policing "chiro criminals" (which is necessary) and protecting a doc from a false claim. The new doctor's orientation is somewhat of a joke though. Having gone through it myself only 3 years ago, I can honestly say that i benefited very little. The orientation proffers information on how not to be a "chiro criminal" not on how to practice chiropractic. For instance, there is no intro to insurance groups and how to begin accepting insurance in your practice, there is no information on associateships or starting practices solo. There is no information on how to succeed as a young doctor. Young docs take away from the orientation good information on what not to do and how not to practice. How about something about how to practice, and how to succeed.

For example, state insurance laws (from group, work comp to PIP) vary by state and should be the responsibility of the board to teach young doctors the ins and outs of how these things work and are utilized. Are we to expect that they are all going the way of the dream cash practice? This is just one example.

Our profession leaves the new doctor out in the cold and we are one of the only professions that disrespects it's future in this way (as is indicative by the spiraling chiro college enrollment.) It's a very hard road for the new doc,blind, naked,stupid and in debt. We should do more to provide some vision, shelter and intelligence in the practice of chiropractic. Maybe when these things are addressed the board will have to do far less policing. Desperation has an amazing effect on moral as does success.

As for myself i would not be able to volunteer for a committee position at this time due to the fact that I am not still blind and far less stupid, but remain naked and in debt.lol.

Dr. Joe Medlin

PDX

--- Original Message -----

From: AboWoman@...

Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: OBCE Rule Changes

Joe,

I'm very new to the board. only having served since last June. I'm still learning. I came on board at the urging of several colleagues, who asked me for the better part of a year to submit an application. I have to admit that part of my reluctance was knowing that colleagaues would doubt my love of the profession simply because I was an OBCE member. I do want you to know that many of the board's actions are designed to help our profession in the state. We are one of the first board's to create a new doctors orientation (thanks to our departing president, McCarthy).

All state boards are designed to protect the public. Not just ours. The public consists of patients, chiropractors and insurance companies. If a public member files a complaint, whether it's a chiropractor complaining about another doc or a patient complaining or an insurance company; the board's job is to evaluate it and make a judgement.

Professional State associations have the job of promoting a profession. THey would advance an idea, promote legislative goals. They would be the ones to take on the ideas you are suggesting such as keeping the idea of 'adjusting' exclusive to chiropractors or Looking at insurance inequality in regards to pay. I used to think it was the board's job to do these things also. After dealing with this board and communicating with others while doing business, I am gaining a deeper understanding of the OBCE's job. All of us docs on the board are volunteer. There is a huge volume of material to cover at each meeting. I honestly don't think we'd have time to do the state associations jobs as well. Maybe, by working with Vern to create new rules the board will help preserve the profession and avoid our demise in PIP. We do as much as we humanly can. Are you interested in joining a committee?

Minga Guerrero DC

In a message dated 5/5/2004 9:53:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, deadmed@... writes:

I wonder sometimes why the board doesn't do more to protect our profession and our rights as free market health care providers. I wonder how much an osteopath charges for an adjustment. I wonder even more seriously on how this board (who has gone completely away from chiropractors rights, and concerns itself only with the safety of the public) could allow osteopath's to adjust the spine in the first place. Is it not practicing chiropractic without a license ?Why does it seem that Vern Saboe and other private entities are the only ones looking out for the profession?

It seems to me that in addition to protecting the public the Board should concern itself with the preservation and sanctity of the profession of chiropractic and reduce the tactics that may eventually contribute to our demise.

Dr. Joe Medlin

PDX

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[Guest guest]

Dear Joe,

It may sound hollow but most of us have been there and often more than once!

However again it is not the OBCE's job or place to train the new DC. The proper place for that is the associations that want new members, serve existing members and whose job it is to promote the success of the individual and corporate practice of chiropractic.

Colwell,DC

Re: OBCE Rule Changes

Joe,

I'm very new to the board. only having served since last June. I'm still learning. I came on board at the urging of several colleagues, who asked me for the better part of a year to submit an application. I have to admit that part of my reluctance was knowing that colleagaues would doubt my love of the profession simply because I was an OBCE member. I do want you to know that many of the board's actions are designed to help our profession in the state. We are one of the first board's to create a new doctors orientation (thanks to our departing president, McCarthy).

All state boards are designed to protect the public. Not just ours. The public consists of patients, chiropractors and insurance companies. If a public member files a complaint, whether it's a chiropractor complaining about another doc or a patient complaining or an insurance company; the board's job is to evaluate it and make a judgement.

Professional State associations have the job of promoting a profession. THey would advance an idea, promote legislative goals. They would be the ones to take on the ideas you are suggesting such as keeping the idea of 'adjusting' exclusive to chiropractors or Looking at insurance inequality in regards to pay. I used to think it was the board's job to do these things also. After dealing with this board and communicating with others while doing business, I am gaining a deeper understanding of the OBCE's job. All of us docs on the board are volunteer. There is a huge volume of material to cover at each meeting. I honestly don't think we'd have time to do the state associations jobs as well. Maybe, by working with Vern to create new rules the board will help preserve the profession and avoid our demise in PIP. We do as much as we humanly can. Are you interested in joining a committee?

Minga Guerrero DC

In a message dated 5/5/2004 9:53:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, deadmed@... writes:

I wonder sometimes why the board doesn't do more to protect our profession and our rights as free market health care providers. I wonder how much an osteopath charges for an adjustment. I wonder even more seriously on how this board (who has gone completely away from chiropractors rights, and concerns itself only with the safety of the public) could allow osteopath's to adjust the spine in the first place. Is it not practicing chiropractic without a license ?Why does it seem that Vern Saboe and other private entities are the only ones looking out for the profession?

It seems to me that in addition to protecting the public the Board should concern itself with the preservation and sanctity of the profession of chiropractic and reduce the tactics that may eventually contribute to our demise.

Dr. Joe Medlin

PDX

OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

I will gladly take these suggestions to the board and incorporate what I can for the new doc orientations. There are some excellent ideas you've presented. But before you crucify me or the other board members by saying that the orientation does no good, please consider that the stats now reflect that in the years it's been used, the doctors attending are almost 100% free of complaints. I think there's only been one doctor from all the docs attending that have received a complaint against them. Since our mission has been to protect the public, I think the orientation was designed with that as the focus. You may be one of the docs that already had a good grasp on how to avoid complaints. However, now that I have your suggestions, I will look for ways to add practice help. I need to find out what the chiro colleges already cover in that area. So be patient, it will take me some research time to develop a curriculum.

Thanks for your feedback.

Minga Guerrero DC

Portland, OR

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

Interesting proposition, I'll share that with the board at the next meeting.

Minga Guerrero DC

[Guest guest]

Perhaps the information given at the orientation should be sent to all doctors in the state so we are all on the same page in this area?

sharron fuchs dc

-----Original Message-----From: AboWoman@... [mailto:AboWoman@...]Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: Re: OBCE Rule Changes MingaJoe,I will gladly take these suggestions to the board and incorporate what I can for the new doc orientations. There are some excellent ideas you've presented. But before you crucify me or the other board members by saying that the orientation does no good, please consider that the stats now reflect that in the years it's been used, the doctors attending are almost 100% free of complaints. I think there's only been one doctor from all the docs attending that have received a complaint against them. Since our mission has been to protect the public, I think the orientation was designed with that as the focus. You may be one of the docs that already had a good grasp on how to avoid complaints. However, now that I have your suggestions, I will look for ways to add practice help. I need to find out what the chiro colleges already cover in that area. So be patient, it will take me some research time to develop a curriculum. Thanks for your feedback.Minga Guerrero DCPortland, OR OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.