Re: Bacteria can make you gain weight

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

That is an interesting new perspective on things. Thank you.

But if true, would it not imply that each time anyone took oral

antibiotics they should suddenly start losing weight?

The reason of course being that microbes in the gut, which had

previously been making otherwise indigestible nutrients absorbable,

will have been killed off by the antibiotics, so that those nutrients

would now be excreted undigested?

Is anyone aware of evidence weight loss occurs after antibiotics are

taken?

If so then antibiotics are a cure for obesity.

Rodney.

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> fyi.

> http://mednews.wustl.edu/sb/page/normal/182.html

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[Guest guest]

From the article:

>>...that two common organisms collude and collaborate to increase the

amount of calories harvested from a class of carbohydrates found in

food sweeteners....

Ah, the glories of high fructose corn syrup make it into the news, but

my take on it:

Are they going to listen and just STOP eating the stuff, or will they

try to find a nice little pill to help you eat the junk and lose the

weight?

.......To be or not to be.....

Diane

[Guest guest]

> > If so then antibiotics are a cure for obesity.

OOOO, and lookie at all the nice little super buggies that will become

ATB resistant......and the nice little profits for the Pharmaceutical

business developing new ATBs due to everyone taking current ATBs on the

market to help them lose weight because those current ATBs can no

longer fight the germs that are out there......and people have to have

their over 2000 calorie burgers with fries.......

..............instead of just taking that spoon or fork out of the

mouth, take the easy road, a pill.......

Diane

[Guest guest]

A couple of points before responding to JW's question about the 40

year delay.

1. It's stupid and mechanistic (dare I say Newtonian or Ptolomeic?)

to assume that there are not substantial differences among

individuals in the actual amount of caloric intake that is

accumulated by the body. Maybe even the same person when he's thin

or fat.

I'm speaking here of a typical chemical engineering energy balance:

accumulation = input-output. As JW has argued eloquently, we need to

account for all of the outputs. The first law of thermodynamics

remains fully intact, but there are more things in Heaven and

Earth...than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

2. There seem to be some among us with a sense of superiority to

those who are addicted (maybe physically) to the crap pushed

relentlessly by Big Food (owned in certain instances by Big Tobacco,

experts at hooking people by tainting their products). I find this

unseemly.

According to this paper (full text here:

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/84/2/274 ) the real upsurge in high

fructose sweetners has occured in the last two decades. Here's an

excerpt:

Current estimates are that the mean intake of added sugar by

Americans accounts for 15.8% of total energy and that the largest

source of these added sugars is nondiet soft drinks, which account

for 47% of total added sugars in the diet (14). The term soft drink

encompasses sodas along with other sugar-sweetened beverages

such as fruit drinks, lemonade, and iced tea. The term soda

encompasses sugar-sweetened carbonated beverages such as colas.

Consumption of these beverages was shown to increase by

135% between 1977 and 2001 (15). It is estimated that, during

this time, daily caloric sweetener consumption in the United

States increased by 83 kcal per person, of which 54 kcal/d is from

soda (10). In the United States, on average, a 12-oz serving [12

oz1 can of soda (or 1 soda)1 serving] of soda provides 150

kcal and 40–50 g sugar in the form of high-fructose corn syrup

[(HFCS) 45% glucose and 55% fructose], which is equivalent

to 10 teaspoons of table sugar. If these calories are added to the

typical US diet without reducing intake from other sources, 1

soda/d could lead to a weight gain of 15 lb or 6.75 kg in 1 y (16).

Paralleling the pattern of soda consumption is that of the

consumption of fruit drinks and fruitades (drinks made by adding

water to powder or crystals), which are similarly sweetened and

are often consumed in large amounts by toddlers and young

children. Of the total 83 kcal/d increase in the consumption of

caloric sweetener, 13 kcal/d is estimated to have come from fruit

drinks (10). Consumption of these fruit drinks and soda represents

nearly 81% of the increase in caloric sweetener intake

across 2 recent decades in the United States (10).

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@...>

wrote:

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> I recall that corn sweetener came about after the sugar price went

up. That was 40 yrs ago. What's taken so long?

> regards.

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> [ ] Re: Bacteria can make you gain weight

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> From the article:

>

> >>...that two common organisms collude and collaborate to

increase the

> amount of calories harvested from a class of carbohydrates found

in

> food sweeteners....

>

> Ah, the glories of high fructose corn syrup make it into the

news, but

> my take on it:

>

> Are they going to listen and just STOP eating the stuff, or will

they

> try to find a nice little pill to help you eat the junk and lose

the

> weight?

>

> ......To be or not to be.....

>

>

>

> Diane

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